Obama birth certificate issue gaining momentum - Youtube video has over 560,000 views

[dave68]

Another thought occured to me. If I was to run for town councilman more info would be known about me than our current president!?? The man has no details from his past. Nobody remembers him.

 

[pcosmar]

Another thought occured to me. If I was to run for town councilman more info would be known about me than our current president!?? The man has no details from his past. Nobody remembers him.

Hehe.

You will dress only in attire specially sanctioned by M.I.B. special services. You'll conform to the identity we give you. Eat where we tell you. Live where we tell you. From now on, you'll have no identifying marks of any kind. You will not stand out in any way. Your entire image is crafted to leave no lasting memory with anyone you encounter. You are a rumor, recognizable only as deja vu, and dismissed just as quickly. You don't exist. You were never even born. Anonymity is your name, silence is your native tongue. You are no longer part of the system. You are above the system, over it, beyond it. We're "them." We're "they."

 

[dave68]

Lol!

 

[idirtify]

Is that where you get your "info" from? There are some truths there and a lot of outright lies couched in "probable" or "possible". If that is all you know about him it is no wonder you think he was born in Kenya or someplace else. There is a lot more information out there.
If anybody wishes to prove he was born someplace else. show the birth certificate. It is that easy.

Zippy,

Your statement is doubly remarkable. First, it puts the onus of proof on the wrong party. Second, it falsely claims that it’s easy to obtain the original BC of someone who does not grant permission.

 

[Sandra]

Another thought occured to me. If I was to run for town councilman more info would be known about me than our current president!?? The man has no details from his past. Nobody remembers him.

Not if someone claimed your documents were falsified, doctored, etc. and then asked you to prove they weren't. How do you prove it?

 

[idirtify]

Experts have examined the short form and declared it not a forgery. The long form includes the same place of birth and dates and such. That is not changed from the short form to the long one. Just more information added.

Zippy,

You cite “Hawaiian officials” and “experts” as if you trust that their word is a substitute for the long/original BC. That kind of trust in authority is bad enough, but then you imply that WE should also trust in their authority. How in the world do you expect to post that kind of content in a forum such as this and receive any credibility?

 

[Sandra]

Zippy,

You cite “Hawaiian officials” and “experts” as if you trust that their word is a substitute for the long/original BC. That kind of trust in authority is bad enough, but then you imply that WE should also trust in their authority. How in the world do you expect to post that kind of content in a forum such as this and receive any credibility?

But the birther movement began with World Net Daily. Now World Net Daily as another source. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

 

[idirtify]

Not if someone claimed your documents were falsified, doctored, etc. and then asked you to prove they weren't. How do you prove it?

Sandra,

Why are you posing such an irrelevant scenario? Since the document at the heart of this issue is missing, no one is claiming that it’s falsified or doctored or asking anyone to prove that it isn’t.

 

[Sandra]

Sandra,

Why are you posing such an irrelevant scenario? Since the document at the heart of this issue is missing, no one is claiming that it’s falsified or doctored or asking anyone to prove that it isn’t.

Link? Birthers claimed the BC was photoshopped. That is what Taitz and Farah are claiming. If your claim is it's "missing", even WND claims that's a total falsehood.

 

[idirtify]

But the birther movement began with World Net Daily. Now World Net Daily as another source. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Sandra,

Your point escapes me, and your second sentence eludes me. Please write better. It’s bad enough that you are performing great contortions of coherence in order to draw attention away from the missing document; at least use legible English in the process.

 

[idirtify]

Link? Birthers claimed the BC was photoshopped. That is what Taitz and Farah are claiming. If your claim is it's "missing", even WND claims that's a total falsehood.

Sandra,

It should be obvious to you by now that many of us here do not care who all has claimed to have seen the long-form original BC. We do not trust their claims. Apparently our standard of proof is much greater than yours, since you apparently trust the word of others much more readily. For all practical purposes (the purpose of qualifying to be eligible as POTUS), the document is missing. Oh…unless you have found it. How about THAT link?

 

[fedup100]

Show the original or step down now!​

 

[Number19]

But the birther movement began with World Net Daily. Now World Net Daily as another source. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Could you supply a link, or maybe a remembered date, for the earliest reports by WND.

I have source from July 08 - Atlas Shrugs - which presented an analysis of the short form, with the conclusion it is a fraud.

The earliest WND source material I have is from August 2008.

Are there reports/claims by WND that pre-dates July?

 

[Pete]

Thank you for the link. Somebody spent a lot of time compiling that.
In the "The Chart" section it attempts to show that there is a distinction the courts have made between a citizen and a Natural Born Citizen. It cites two fairly well-known cases, US vs. Wong Kim Ark, where a man born in San Francisco in one of the several states of California and whose parents were Chinese sought to be declared a citizen. By 6-2 the court ruled that the law did indeed say that because he was born in the US (and not subject to certain conditions which could disqualify that), that he was indeed a US citizen.

In the second case, Perkins v. Elg, miss Elg was born in Brooklyn New York to emigrants from Sweden. Her parents later moved back to Sweden but at 21 miss Elg wanted to come back to the United States. She inquired at a US consulate which suggested she apply for a US passport for her trip back to the United States. She was admitted on that passport and resided in the US ever since. Several years later, the State Department said she was in the country illegally and would have to leave. She sued and the court suported her citizenship. While her parents wanted to stay in Sweden, she wanted to exercise her US citizenship once she became old enough to make such decisions for herself.

Some points. First, in both cases, the court ruled that despite having both parents being foreign born, the people were still citizens because they were born in the US. Obama was born in the US. Second, both had foreign born parents- but Obama's mother was a US citizen. Third (unless I missed it- please point me towards a source if you can), in neither case does the court say anything about the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen. All three gained their citizenship by virtue of being born in the US. Obama has the added support of having a US citizen for his mother.

Thanks for reading that! It's pretty obvious that the term 'natural born' has special meaning, because important documents like the Constitution don't have extra words thrown into them simply because they sound good. I guess it boils down to whether Obama's mother's citizenship satisfies the requirement, or whether both parents must be citizens. It's a legitimate question, I think.

I think that the long form/short form argument also has merit, btw. Here's what the Hawaii official had to say: "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,"

Original Kenyan birth certificate? Original short form birth certificate? Her language is equivocal; why did she not simply say that he was born in Hawaii? Really, short forms are unreliable because they are often issued for HHS-type reasons.

All this being said, I am not in favor of the nation going down the bunny hole pursuing this issue at this late date, or of Obama being deposed because of it. The appointment of Biden as President would be a non-victory and, more importantly, I'd hate to see the resulting bitterness culminate in a Constitutional Convention because that 'mean old Constitution' deprived us of JFKII. The system is too corrupt and the public is too dumb for a Con Con.

I join in these arguments on the forum mainly because of the Obama shilling and disregard for facts and reason. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

 

[anaconda]

Citizen and Natural Born citizen are not the same thing. Arnold is a citizen. Henry Kissinger is a citizen. Neither can be President. A dissenting opinion written in the 1800's states that it is up to the states to decide if one of their residents is a natural born citizen. The law in Hawaii was unambiguous. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen, they must have been so for ten years, 5 of which were incurred from age 16 on. In other words Obama's mother needed to be 21 when he was born. she was only 18. Case closed.

 

[Pete]

^^^^slam dunk

 

[idirtify]

All this being said, I am not in favor of the nation going down the bunny hole pursuing this issue at this late date, or of Obama being deposed because of it. The appointment of Biden as President would be a non-victory and, more importantly, I'd hate to see the resulting bitterness culminate in a Constitutional Convention because that 'mean old Constitution' deprived us of JFKII. The system is too corrupt and the public is too dumb for a Con Con.

Then you advocate tossing the Constitution. How about you instead advocate tossing the BUM out? Look…it doesn’t matter who replaces him; it’s always good that the people enforce the few powers we have over authority. It sends the message that “we ain’t gonna take it!” and subsequent leaders will not be so likely to violate the Constitutional and be so cocky about it. But if you let them get away with it once, it’s just one more constitutional item you have permanently given away (once you give one away, you NEVER get it back). Therefore, I hope you can see how a lover of individual freedom really has no choice but to throw the bum out.

 

[qh4dotcom]

All this being said, I am not in favor of the nation going down the bunny hole pursuing this issue at this late date, or of Obama being deposed because of it. The appointment of Biden as President would be a non-victory

Pete, you don't get it do you? Don't you think reversing all the damage Obama has signed into law is a victory? The Obama eligibility issue is the ONLY way to do that...when it is proven that he is an unconstitutional president, all the laws he has signed become invalid...do you want the stimulus to go away? any future health care or cap and trade law to go away? All his big spending, anti-constitutional and socialistic crap to go away? Wouldn't that be a victory? Yes I know it will be a big mess to undo all the damage he has done and who knows maybe Biden will continue Obama's legacy but it's better than letting the economy collapse and the nation to go bankrupt.

 

[klamath]

Actually pushing this issue may get you all Arnold the Terminator for president. The supreme court will redifne what natural born is to keep the nations cities from being burned in riots

 

[idirtify]

Pete, you don't get it do you...Don't you think reversing all the damage Obama has signed into law is a victory? The Obama eligibility issue is the ONLY way to do that...when it is proven that he is an unconstitutional president, all the laws he has signed become invalid...do you want the stimulus to go away? any future health care or cap and trade law to go away? All his big spending, anti-constitutional and socialistic crap to go away? Wouldn't that be a victory? Yes I know it will be a big mess to undo all the damage he has done and who knows maybe Biden will continue Obama's legacy but it's better than letting the economy collapse and the nation to go bankrupt.

qh4dotcom, great points!

Also Pete,
Booting Obama out would do a great deal of damage to the two-party system – which is just what the LP needs. (Even though RP is officially a Republican, everyone knows he is also a Libertarian.) The public needs to see the futility of big government and the Two parties. Eight years of the best of Republicans only got them a gang of war criminals and yielded a bankrupt nation. So they then try voting in a Democrat and look what they get - disaster. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with promoting individual freedom.