Obama birth certificate issue gaining momentum - Youtube video has over 560,000 views

[kahless]

There are really two issues here which was the point of posting the internal CNN memo.

For one I think from the evidence in all likely hood he was born in Kenya. If he was not the White House would have already dispelled all the theories to put this to rest once for all. Bottomline here is even if it can be proved that he was born outside the country the next debate will be whether that even matters and whether the country really cares since the fact is he was born from an American mother. So in that respect how far is the debate going to get us.

The second issue is the media not doing their job and going out of their way to keep this covered up as demonstrated by the CNN memo.

 

[Sandra]

Common sense says that if Republicans thought the BC was an issue, they would have used it early in the race , not after he was sworn into office.

 

[pcosmar]

Common sense says that if Republicans thought the BC was an issue, they would have used it early in the race , not after he was sworn into office.

WTF does common sense have to do with the Republican Party.
They were on a mission to LOSE.
They pushed Rudy
They pushed Romney
They nominated McCain

They tried to say that they were conservatives.
I find their thoughts as "Not in Evidence".

 

[Bruno]

There are really two issues here which was the point of posting the internal CNN memo.

For one I think from the evidence in all likely hood he was born in Kenya. If he was not the White House would have already dispelled all the theories to put this to rest once for all. Bottomline here is even if it can be proved that he was born outside the country the next debate will be whether that even matters and whether the country really cares since the fact is he was born from an American mother. So in that respect how far is the debate going to get us.

The second issue is the media not doing their job and going out of their way to keep this covered up as demonstrated by the CNN memo.

That still wouldn't make him a natural born citizen.

And if the country didn't care if he was a citizen or not, then Arnold or any other foreign-born person could have run for president as well.

 

[Bruno]

Common sense says that if Republicans thought the BC was an issue, they would have used it early in the race , not after he was sworn into office.

I don't think so - too much of a hot topic, since as you can see, it has been hard to disprove that he was born in the United States.

 

[fedup100]

Here is all we know about the man that holds the fate of the country and our lives in his hands...........

http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama

 

[Zippyjuan]

Is that where you get your "info" from? There are some truths there and a lot of outright lies couched in "probable" or "possible". If that is all you know about him it is no wonder you think he was born in Kenya or someplace else. There is a lot more information out there.
If anybody wishes to prove he was born someplace else. show the birth certificate. It is that easy.

 

[wd4freedom]

All I know is that I can't even register my kids in the local Little League without an "Official Birth Certificate". This Roland guy is a nutjob.

 

[fedup100]

Is that where you get your "info" from? There are some truths there and a lot of outright lies couched in "probable" or "possible". If that is all you know about him it is no wonder you think he was born in Kenya or someplace else. There is a lot more information out there.
If anybody wishes to prove he was born someplace else. show the birth certificate. It is that easy.

You marxist ass.......................

Pay attention to this next quoted paragraph:

Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesian issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya, and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth," just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.
– Leo C. Donofrio

There is a long list of vulnerability points for leaks, and there is a story behind every one of them:

– Soetoro adoption records
– Punahou (Indonesia) School records
– Passports records
– Any INS (Immigration & Naturalization Services) or port of entry documentation which may have been generated in his infancy or childhood
– Selective Service Registration (Released, but is possibly an altered document)
– Harvard Law Review articles (None, maybe 1, not signed)
– University of Chicago scholarly articles (None)
– Law practice client list
– Illinois State Senate records (locked up to prohibit public view)
– Illinois State Senate schedule (Lost. All other Illinois State Senators' records are intact)
– Baptism certificate
– Medical records

International columnist Mark S. McGrew sums it up succinctly:

With all of Obama's different names, with his documented long-term relations to convicted criminals, with his active efforts to prohibit us from knowing where he was born, with his active efforts to keep us from seeing his credentials, with his documented registration to practice law, professing to have only one name, with his being an ex-attorney not authorized to practice law, but representing himself as such, with his non-existent "Office of The President Elect," with the dozen or so lawsuits against him to determine his citizenship status, with the various promises he made to voters and on which he has since reneged, with his documented lack of respect to America, with his refusal to salute the American flag with others on stage or even to stand at attention, and his other disrespectful actions, with his many millions of dollars in campaign funds suspected to be from foreign sources, with campaign donations accepted from possible terrorists groups . . . Obama has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can not in any way, shape or form be trusted.

I would ask the reader to accept the premise that there are many potential leaks from those things that are being kept hidden by a man who promised transparency in government. But there are other problems from sources that are not hidden.

AKA OBAMA himself has made it known that his father was from Kenya.

We know that records indicate that AKA OBAMA's biological father was Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan native, and a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s offspring. We know that the geographical location of AKA OBAMA's birth is not considered by British law. Who the father was determines citizenship, not where you are born. Had AKA OBAMA been born in Tokyo or Texas he would still be a citizen of the United Kingdom under The British Nationality Act. A similar practice governs who is considered a citizen in several countries. Judaism is matrilineal, meaning that your mother's lineage determines whether you are a Jew. That is why Jews from all over the world can claim Israeli citizenship.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, AKA OBAMA might have been a U.S. citizen (by virtue of his allegedly being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya is, on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963 . . .

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya is, on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), becomes a citizen of Kenya on the 12th of December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963.

So we know for sure that, if OBAMA Sr. is in fact his legal father, then AKA OBAMA was a citizen of the United Kingdom and then Kenya. Given all the efforts to keep his birth certificate hidden, it is reasonable to assume that he is not a citizen of the United States, but even if he were born in downtown Denver he would still have triple citizenship, and is thus ineligible to hold the office of President.

There is a similar problem with AKA OBAMA's possible Indonesian citizenship. School records have surfaced that clearly indicate AKA OBAMA was listed as a "Muslim" with "Indonesian" citizenship.

So AKA OBAMA has been a citizen of the UK, Kenya, and there are inconclusive documents indicating that he was also a citizen of Indonesia. The missing birth certificate may be a false clue that leads away from the big crime. Even if Obama were born in Hawaii he would still be ineligible to serve as President because of his dual (perhaps triple) citizenship. (AKA OBAMA has spent Six Hundred and Eighty-Eight Thousand Dollars ($688,000.00) on legal fees defending against lawsuits claiming that he is not eligible. Why would AKA OBAMA spend that much money to hide a $10 Birth Certificate?)


http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/05/05/the-obama-birth-certificate/

 

[Zippyjuan]

This is new to me and I thank you for posting.

I'm not sure how to accept this.

I have my own, original, certificate of birth - given me by my mother. When I renewed my passport a few years back, I wasn't about to turn over this 60 year old document, so I obtained a legal copy from the state - a certification of vital record. It is a long form.

I am also into family genealogy.

From a personal perspective, from a perspective of historical record, I would not at all be pleased with a "short form" of this vital information.

I also find it a little curious that Hawaii would go totally electronic and totally destroy the paper form of historical documents. I had an aunt who was doing something similar and they had a primary concern on the vulnerability, and the constantly changing technology, of the electronic format. They ultimately decided to backup the original documents in microfilm format. So they ended up with the original documents which they did not discard, microfilm and electronic copy.

I am not certain I accept a statement that these, original, vital records were destroyed. I also do not believe that the State of Hawaii would be so irresponsible and negligent as to require only such minimal information on these vital records. It just doesn't compute in my brain.

There is a long original form. It has the same information as the shorter form but additional information such as the doctor name and hospital information. How they would choose to handle their document storage I cannot comment on since I don't know. An individual can request and receive the long form but they will not release it to anybody else. Hawaiian officials verified that they have the original the short form was taken from. The fact that it was not shown to the public does not mean it does not exist.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Ooh. Marxist. I was not aware I have shared any of my personal economic or political leanings.

If he were to release the long form, would you accept it and say he was indeed President?

 

[fedup100]

Ooh. Marxist. I was not aware I have shared any of my personal economic or political leanings.

If he were to release the long form, would you accept it and say he was indeed President?

After the experts had examined it to make sure it is not a forgery, yes.

 

[kahless]

That still wouldn't make him a natural born citizen.

And if the country didn't care if he was a citizen or not, then Arnold or any other foreign-born person could have run for president as well.

When Arnold was running for governor I thought for sure it would be a path to the President and congress would quickly change the law against the will of 55% of the people (made up poll, but that is what they will do).

Eventually I think they will change the law whether we like it or not and may even happen before the issue with Obama comes to a head. Once that happens the debate will not matter.

 

[Pete]

Ooh. Marxist. I was not aware I have shared any of my personal economic or political leanings.

If he were to release the long form, would you accept it and say he was indeed President?

Not me.

Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen. Law of Nations, 1758:

"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

Go suck on that instead of O for awhile.

 

[Zippyjuan]

After the experts had examined it to make sure it is not a forgery, yes.

Experts have examined the short form and declared it not a forgery. The long form includes the same place of birth and dates and such. That is not changed from the short form to the long one. Just more information added.

 

[Number19]

...If he were to release the long form, would you accept it and say he was indeed President?

This is not directed at me, but to clarify to readers, I, unhappily, accept that Obama is POTUS. Practically, this is simply not an issue - if the document in question is never released.

I simply believe that it should be mandatory that this document should be released to the public before anyone is sworn in, although I don't think I would require this simply to run as a candidate for the office. I would support legislation for this requirement applying to all future elections.

I also believe there is a high probability that there is information, or possibly a lack of information, on the document that Obama does not want to be made public. I know of no reason why he would otherwise object to its release.

If he were to release the document and it was in agreement with the previously released short form, and provided the additional details relating to his birth, then yes, it would satisfy my doubt.

 

[pcosmar]

I would like to see the issue laid to rest, but it is not my biggest concern.
His complete lack of accomplishments, and non-existent qualifications concern me most.
This guy was artificially promoted to prominence.
I am more concerned with who is working the puppets strings.

 

[Number19]

I would like to see the issue laid to rest, but it is not my biggest concern.
His complete lack of accomplishments, and non-existent qualifications concern me most.
This guy was artificially promoted to prominence.
I am more concerned with who is working the puppets strings.

+1

 

[Zippyjuan]

Not me.

Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen. Law of Nations, 1758:



http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

Go suck on that instead of O for awhile.

Thank you for the link. Somebody spent a lot of time compiling that.
In the "The Chart" section it attempts to show that there is a distinction the courts have made between a citizen and a Natural Born Citizen. It cites two fairly well-known cases, US vs. Wong Kim Ark, where a man born in San Francisco in one of the several states of California and whose parents were Chinese sought to be declared a citizen. By 6-2 the court ruled that the law did indeed say that because he was born in the US (and not subject to certain conditions which could disqualify that), that he was indeed a US citizen.

In the second case, Perkins v. Elg, miss Elg was born in Brooklyn New York to emigrants from Sweden. Her parents later moved back to Sweden but at 21 miss Elg wanted to come back to the United States. She inquired at a US consulate which suggested she apply for a US passport for her trip back to the United States. She was admitted on that passport and resided in the US ever since. Several years later, the State Department said she was in the country illegally and would have to leave. She sued and the court suported her citizenship. While her parents wanted to stay in Sweden, she wanted to exercise her US citizenship once she became old enough to make such decisions for herself.

Some points. First, in both cases, the court ruled that despite having both parents being foreign born, the people were still citizens because they were born in the US. Obama was born in the US. Second, both had foreign born parents- but Obama's mother was a US citizen. Third (unless I missed it- please point me towards a source if you can), in neither case does the court say anything about the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen. All three gained their citizenship by virtue of being born in the US. Obama has the added support of having a US citizen for his mother.

 

[dave68]

I am also worried about the puppet strings. Ron Paul`s book eluded to both parties being one, and the same. Senator Grassley saying he believes health care reform will be passed by the end of the year worries me. In what form??
Obama was promoted out of nowhere with no documentation, or accomplishments. I believe he is hiding something in his past. Anybody who doesn`t believe that isn`t facing reality. I would love to get the truth, but I highly doubt we will. My congressman saw his birth certificate on the internet, therefore it must be true. I have hammered this nit wit ever since.
Don`t worry about the media thinking RP`s supporters are nuts, THEY DO ALREADY. More, and more people agree with us that something is seriously wrong, and politicians of both parties are screwing us with some rare exceptions.
The Obama administrations wheels are starting to fall off. Keep on all their asses! Maybe we will get some real RP candidates starting in 2010.