Obama birth certificate issue gaining momentum - Youtube video has over 560,000 views

[fedup100]

the birth certificate issue is a total distraction.

So what if they impeach obama over this? Then we get joe biden. Perhaps even a worse man than obama. Nothing would change. And if this hurts the democrats, we'll get jeb bush in 2012. Or sarah palin. Who the fuck cares?

I don't need a president. Do you? Do you want to force one on me?

Because we are a nation of LAWS!​

 

[Zippyjuan]

John Stewart did a good job pointing out how silly the whole thing is. He runs through all the evidence (or plays a CNN clip which does).
And as has been point out at this point there is nothing Obama could do which would satisfy those who do not beleive he was born in Hawaii. If they pull up and release the full version, they will claim that it is a fake- they have had over a year to work on it. The pope could sign it in blood and people would still not believe it. A DNA test would not suffice. Get over it. He is a US Citizen and was elected president. If you do not belive he was born in Hawaii, the only way you can win is to prove he was born somewhere else. So start looking or shut up. Saying the burden is on him no longer applies- that is a copout. He showed you. You chose not to believe. Now prove him wrong. Bring the Kenya or Indonesia birth certificate and apply the same standards to it that you would like him to provide. Otherwise you are just blowing hot air.

So next time you say "where is the birth certificate", make sure you bring one with you that shows where he was actually born.

Arguing here is going to do nothing.

 

[Sandra]

Maybe because AIPAC Orly believes if she can make an appeal to neocons because she perceives she can diffuse the difference between Libertarian and Neoconsevative/liberal ideals.

Today she's complaining that Obama is no friend to Israel, and she wants to contact an alleged disgruntled secret service agent that might help Taitz "get" Obama. Now this kinda thing will get her a visit.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

 

[Imperial]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/...is-no-Deposition-from-Obamas-step-grandmother

A good article from someone on DKos about the Berg phonecall saying Obama's grandmother claimed Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[fedup100]

John Stewart did a good job pointing out how silly the whole thing is. He runs through all the evidence (or plays a CNN clip which does).
And as has been point out at this point there is nothing Obama could do which would satisfy those who do not beleive he was born in Hawaii. If they pull up and release the full version, they will claim that it is a fake- they have had over a year to work on it. The pope could sign it in blood and people would still not believe it. A DNA test would not suffice. Get over it. He is a US Citizen and was elected president. If you do not belive he was born in Hawaii, the only way you can win is to prove he was born somewhere else. So start looking or shut up. Saying the burden is on him no longer applies- that is a copout. He showed you. You chose not to believe. Now prove him wrong. Bring the Kenya or Indonesia birth certificate and apply the same standards to it that you would like him to provide. Otherwise you are just blowing hot air.

So next time you say "where is the birth certificate", make sure you bring one with you that shows where he was actually born.

Arguing here is going to do nothing.

Oh no you don't. My child had the burden of proof on him and had to produce and original BC to enter school, you name it, we all had to.

So does this bastard. SHOW the damn thing or resign! I said....

Show The Damned Thing Or Resign!​

 

[Sandra]

Oh no you don't. My child had the burden of proof on him and had to produce and original BC to enter school, you name it, we all had to.

So does this bastard. SHOW the damn thing or resign! I said....

Show The Damned Thing Or Resign!​

But you're the accuser. Provide proof his mom didn't show his BC for school registration.

 

[Brian Defferding]

John Stewart did a good job pointing out how silly the whole thing is. He runs through all the evidence (or plays a CNN clip which does).
And as has been point out at this point there is nothing Obama could do which would satisfy those who do not beleive he was born in Hawaii. If they pull up and release the full version, they will claim that it is a fake- they have had over a year to work on it. The pope could sign it in blood and people would still not believe it. A DNA test would not suffice. Get over it. He is a US Citizen and was elected president. If you do not belive he was born in Hawaii, the only way you can win is to prove he was born somewhere else. So start looking or shut up. Saying the burden is on him no longer applies- that is a copout. He showed you. You chose not to believe. Now prove him wrong. Bring the Kenya or Indonesia birth certificate and apply the same standards to it that you would like him to provide. Otherwise you are just blowing hot air.

So next time you say "where is the birth certificate", make sure you bring one with you that shows where he was actually born.

Arguing here is going to do nothing.

Wow, thank you for posting that, the sums up everything I wanted to say on the issue. This birth certifigate crap is utterly embarrassing and I don't want Ron Paul supporters anywhere near it. Time to drop this stupid shit and move on to exponentially more pressing issues, like our ridiculously large deficit, the Federal Reserve, and Obamacare.

 

[dantheman]

How does more views on youtube mean this thing is picking up steam? We have videos on the internet about cats in hamster wheels and that has millions of views. What do we really gain if we prove Obama is not a U.S. citizen? Biden being President? There are far more important things to focus our time on.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Because we are a nation of LAWS!​

Is this sarcastic? I hope so.

 

[idirtify]

So, you won't watch it? Because of principle? What you are saying is it doesn't matter what proof is set before you because your eyes are shut and your fingers are jammed in your ears.

Obama shares the same privacy right you do. I can't go to your state's Dept. of Records and demand to see your BC like you're suggesting.

World Net Daily has already confirmed it's validity. I will keep reminding you of that.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Maybe you should email WND and ask for an explanation.

Sandra,

No and no and no… (spare me your negative strawman speculations.)

I don’t get time to watch them often (I’m on here too much).

What I am saying is that it doesn't matter what is set before me if it does not consist of proof of Obama’s qualifications for holding the office.

Obama shares no more of the same privacy rights with me than an applicant for any job who agrees to the qualifications set forth for holding the job. Since when can the applicant invoke privacy rights as a basis for refusing to produce proof of his qualifications? His boss would immediately laugh him to the street.

Get these two things straight: 1) Political leaders do not have “rights”. They have “powers”. 2) “Rights” do not pertain to voluntary contractual agreements between parties. Obama surrendered his right to privacy regarding his BC when he agreed to the terms of the job.

World Net Daily has not, as far as I have seen, provided the main document needed to prove the qualification. Instead of you telling me to email them for the proof, why don’t I tell you to point it out to me in your link? It is your claim, right? So specify it by pasting it here.

 

[idirtify]

John Stewart did a good job pointing out how silly the whole thing is. He runs through all the evidence (or plays a CNN clip which does).
And as has been point out at this point there is nothing Obama could do which would satisfy those who do not beleive he was born in Hawaii. If they pull up and release the full version, they will claim that it is a fake- they have had over a year to work on it. The pope could sign it in blood and people would still not believe it. A DNA test would not suffice. Get over it. He is a US Citizen and was elected president. If you do not belive he was born in Hawaii, the only way you can win is to prove he was born somewhere else. So start looking or shut up. Saying the burden is on him no longer applies- that is a copout. He showed you. You chose not to believe. Now prove him wrong. Bring the Kenya or Indonesia birth certificate and apply the same standards to it that you would like him to provide. Otherwise you are just blowing hot air.

So next time you say "where is the birth certificate", make sure you bring one with you that shows where he was actually born.

Arguing here is going to do nothing.

Zippyjuan,

Your claim that a real birth certificate exists is just speculation. Your claim that birthers would claim that a real one is fake is also just speculation. The rest of your claims about the pope and dna only delve deeper into the realm of speculation.

Your claim that birthers need to prove Obama is not a resident is not reasonable, especially for a Liberty Forester who should automatically question all authority. It is certainly not the burden of the people to produce the documents that qualify a politician for high office; nor do they need to prove the non-existence of the documents. If the owner doesn’t produce the documents, he doesn’t qualify. If an applicant for a position agrees to a qualification set forth in the application, he can not apply and then refuse to provide proof of qualification and claim that it’s the boss’s responsibility to prove that he does not qualify – and still get the job and/or remain credible. So what is the difference here, besides the fact that our leaders should be held to a HIGHER STANDARD?

What amazes me about this topic is the number of members here who are demonstrating such a strong amount of trust in authority.

 

[idirtify]

But you're the accuser. Provide proof his mom didn't show his BC for school registration.

Sandra,

By applying for the job, the applicant not only swore that he qualified but swore that he could provide the document that proved it. Since we are his bosses, it is not our job to disprove his qualification or the existence of the proof. If he does not provide the required proof, he does not qualify. It is as simple as that; as in any contractual agreement between employee & employer. While “civil rights” do not apply to many areas for political leaders, they certainly do not apply to many areas for taking a job. If you claim otherwise, you are only “Pulling a Palin” (see her many misstatements about the right to free speech).

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Wow, thank you for posting that, the sums up everything I wanted to say on the issue. This birth certifigate crap is utterly embarrassing and I don't want Ron Paul supporters anywhere near it. Time to drop this stupid shit and move on to exponentially more pressing issues, like our ridiculously large deficit, the Federal Reserve, and Obamacare.

The tiny problem is, 1) Obama DIDN'T show us that data (just substitutes, carefully worded evasions and speculations), as has been discussed at length in these threads, and 2) the real problem is there is nothing the truth side could do which would satisfy those who DO beleive he was born in Hawaii.

The deniers on this matter simply will not take any data to the contrary seriously, whether it's public officials in Kenya saying he was born there, blood relatives on tape saying the same, his father's British citizen status etc. So our side might as well say, face it, Obama is not a natural born citizen, and his certification as President is illegitimate. Time to drop the stupid denials, and understand if our supposedly 'pro-constitution' movement backs off this basic constitutional issue, we will not be able to successfully engage the other issues either. If they can shame you away on the birth issue, they can and will find a way to put you on the defensive on every other big issue.

 

[anaconda]

His mom was a US citizen, so that makes him one unless he renounced it, which he didn't.

Not true. His situation is more complicated because she had a child with a foreign national before she was 21, per Hawaii law. There is simply no way that Obama is a natural born citizen. Period. A "citizen" and a "natural born citizen" are NOT the same thing. There is NO scenario where Obama could have been a natural born citizen.

 

[Sandra]

Get these two things straight: 1) Political leaders do not have “rights”. They have “powers”. 2) “Rights” do not pertain to voluntary contractual agreements between parties. Obama surrendered his right to privacy regarding his BC when he agreed to the terms of the job.

World Net Daily has not, as far as I have seen, provided the main document needed to prove the qualification. Instead of you telling me to email them for the proof, why don’t I tell you to point it out to me in your link? It is your claim, right? So specify it by pasting it here.

Idirtify,

So you still won't click the WND link, huh? Something tells me if you don't read it on the WND website, you won't accept it as genuine. Your answers to all of these posts prove you refuse to look at proof thus setting yourself up for ignorance and denial .

Just click to go to the WND site..... it's easy,

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

 

[qh4dotcom]

Wow, thank you for posting that, the sums up everything I wanted to say on the issue. This birth certifigate crap is utterly embarrassing and I don't want Ron Paul supporters anywhere near it. Time to drop this stupid shit and move on to exponentially more pressing issues, like our ridiculously large deficit, the Federal Reserve, and Obamacare.

Brian, you don't get it do you? The Obama eligibility issue is the ONLY way to reverse all the damage Obama has signed into law...when it is proven that he is an unconstitutional president, all the laws he has signed become invalid...do you want the stimulus to go away? any future health care or cap and trade law to go away? Yes I know it will be a big mess to undo all the damage but it's better than letting the economy collapse and the nation to go bankrupt.

 

[Sandra]

Brian, you don't get it do you? The Obama eligibility issue is the ONLY way to reverse all the damage Obama has signed into law...when it is proven that he is an unconstitutional president, all the laws he has signed become invalid...do you want the stimulus to go away? any future health care or cap and trade law to go away? Yes I know it will be a big mess to undo all the damage but it's better than letting the economy collapse and the nation to go bankrupt.

Sorry but it was mostly signed into law by BUSH. You remember Bush? The most destructive presidency in history? This is just a continuance of Bush policies. So do ya think we can get a redo if we nullify the Bush administration?

 

[qh4dotcom]

Sorry but it was mostly signed into law by BUSH. You remember Bush? The most destructive presidency in history? This is just a continuance of Bush policies. So do ya think we can get a redo if we nullify the Bush administration?

I'm talking about the laws Obama has signed...the February 2009 stimulus wasn't signed by Bush...Bush had nothing to do with health care or cap & trade (assuming it will get passed).

 

[Dianne]

It is up to us to prove Obama is not a US citizen? Next time I apply for a passport and I am FORCED to mail in a certified, government stamped birth certificate; I will tell the passport office I refuse as they have the burden to prove I am or am not a US citizen. I wonder how well that will go over.

 

[Pete]

Sorry but it was mostly signed into law by BUSH. You remember Bush? The most destructive presidency in history? This is just a continuance of Bush policies. So do ya think we can get a redo if we nullify the Bush administration?

Third or fourth most destructive presidency in history, IMO. Don't forget Honest Abe for his consolidation of federal power and 600,000 civil war deaths. That was military only; I wonder how many civilians died, especially in Sherman's march? Then we had Woody Wilson acting as the original NWO buttboy; we can thank him for the Fed and the income tax that put Fedgov on steroids and set the stage for WWII. I don't think even FDR was as big of a traitor as these two, but he likely edged out the Shrub.

Obama has a good shot at winning the cakewalk if national health care goes through and he unleashes his Brownshirts. If he goes so far as to begin re-education efforts, then the prize unquestionably belongs to him.