Obama attacks Libya and starts a new war

[Brian4Liberty]

It's official now. We are at war with Libya. Following the precedent set by several US Presidents before him, President Barrack Obama has started a war with another country without authorization via a Declaration of War by the Congress of the United States.

Hope and change.

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The U.S. military has launched its first missiles in Libya against Moammar Gadhafi's forces, a senior Defense Department official said Saturday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/19/libya.civil.war/

 

[FrankRep]

Where are the anti-Bush War Protesters?

 

[karat32]

they dont turn up when france wants to lead

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

DUPLICATE THREAD! - yet again....

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?284079-First-tomahawks-fired....

 

[Dissident]

Where are the anti-Bush War Protesters?

They are rationalizing that Obama would end the wars if only he had the courage to stand up to the republicans.

 

[FrankRep]

They are rationalizing that Obama would end the wars if only he had the courage to stand up to the republicans.

Well, this is Obama's War. Can't blame the Republicans.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Where are the anti-Bush War Protesters?

Well, Obama says "use of force" was not his first option, so it's ok now.

 

[123tim]

Stupid question I'm sure, but why are we attacking targets which might have the capacity to shoot down planes if what we're trying to do is establish a "no fly zone"?

Another stupid question....Where is France in this action?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Stupid question I'm sure, but why are we attacking targets which might have the capacity to shoot down planes if what we're trying to do is establish a "no fly zone"?

Good question. It's because it's not really a "no fly zone". We have taken sides, and one side can still do whatever it wants (we'll probably provide them with more anti-aircraft weapons). It's just the enemy's (Gaddaffi's) planes and equipment that we are attacking. And of course we can fly in the "no fly" zone.

 

[123tim]

Good question. It's because it's not really a "no fly zone". We have taken sides, and one side can still do whatever it wants (we'll probably provide them with more anti-aircraft weapons). It's just the enemy's (Gaddaffi's) planes and equipment that we are attacking. And of course we can fly in the "no fly" zone.

Thank you for the answer. I guess then that this just the beginning of something much larger. (Pretty obvious to most people (except for me) I'm sure.)

 

[Aratus]

french jets have done airstrikes, several news services
confirm the launch of the 110+ (raytheon?) tomahawks.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting story. Could be nothing more than cover for Obama. They make it seem like it wasn't Obama's idea, and that Hillary made the call.

On the other hand, taking the story at face value, does a cruise missile fired by a woman result in a more gentle death for those killed? We always hear in regards to female candidates that "woman don't start wars"...

Only the day before, Mrs. Clinton — along with her boss, President Obama — was a skeptic on whether the United States should take military action in Libya. But that night, with Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s forces turning back the rebellion that threatened his rule, Mrs. Clinton changed course, forming an unlikely alliance with a handful of top administration aides who had been arguing for intervention.

Within hours, Mrs. Clinton and the aides had convinced Mr. Obama that the United States had to act, and the president ordered up military plans,
...
The change became possible, though, only after Mrs. Clinton joined Samantha Power, a senior aide at the National Security Council, and Susan Rice, Mr. Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations, who had been pressing the case for military action, according to senior administration officials speaking only on condition of anonymity. ...
Now, the three women were pushing for American intervention to stop a looming humanitarian catastrophe in Libya.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19policy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Nancy Pelosi, the person who said she would get us out of the wars, supports the new war started today. (It's a humanitarian war, so all of the innocent people killed should take comfort in that nuance):

"I commend the President for his leadership and prudence on how our nation will proceed in regards to Libya and work in concert with European and Arab allies to address the crisis.

"The strong action taken by the United Nations and the Arab League should leave no doubt in Qaddafi's mind that the horrific brutality against his own people will not be tolerated and cannot continue."

http://pelosi.house.gov/news/press-...un-security-council-resolution-on-libya.shtml

 

[silentshout]

Where are the anti-Bush War Protesters?

Some of us never stopped protesting when Obama took the reins, but sadly, there aren't many left.

 

[South Park Fan]

Where are the anti-Bush War Protesters?

Most "progressives" seem to oppose war on procedural grounds rather than substantive grounds. Thus, this and Yugoslavia are/were okay since the UN said so.

 

[awake]

War presidents are popular and mostly unaccountable in any meaningful way. And that is what it's all about. Being able to use the 'the power' to murder and steal with complete impunity.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Interesting story. Could be nothing more than cover for Obama. They make it seem like it wasn't Obama's idea, and that Hillary made the call.

On the other hand, taking the story at face value, does a cruise missile fired by a woman result in a more gentle death for those killed? We always hear in regards to female candidates that "woman don't start wars"...

If you drop a bomb on a pregnant woman have you aborted her unborn child? - Oh wait, Hitlary is all for that....

 

[ItsTime]

Well, Obama says "use of force" was not his first option, so it's ok now.

And it was "a hard decision" blah blah bah same old 1984 doublespeak.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Most "progressives" seem to oppose war on procedural grounds rather than substantive grounds. Thus, this and Yugoslavia are/were okay since the UN said so.

Except for that pesky procedure called for by The US Constitution about Congress declaring war...

 

[speciallyblend]

what we need is to start putting up obama/cheney 2012 bring our troops home signs everywhere! On a revolution scale to call out both sides on the issue!!