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Obama and ACORN GPS Marking EVERY Front Door in America?
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There's another thread on the Census collecting GPS measurments, which includes a couple of videos.
This is great data for spy satellites and Technetronic weapons.
This is great data for spy satellites and Technetronic weapons.
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The video was pretty funny. Shooting lasers from space at you as you walk out your door!
My dad uses his GPS when he is out hunting to help him find game if he has to leave it overnight due to darkness. GPS is not necessarily a military tool. Maps were used for bombing raids during the 20th Century. And they were used for the censuses. How many homes were bombed or people arrested because of information attained by using maps and the US census? You guys are funny! They are just using modern technology.
At this point, it is not the actual census but preliminary work to get ready for the census. They are compliling lists and locations of residences so that when they do the actual census they can be pretty certain that they captured (maybe a bad word on this forum!) as close as they can all locations people live at.
Or maybe it is like in the Bible and the Book of Exidus when the Christians marked their doorways with blood so that they would be spared when the Angel of Death came in the night and killed the first born of all the Egyptians who kept them slaves. If you don't let them mark you house they will take you out.
My dad uses his GPS when he is out hunting to help him find game if he has to leave it overnight due to darkness. GPS is not necessarily a military tool. Maps were used for bombing raids during the 20th Century. And they were used for the censuses. How many homes were bombed or people arrested because of information attained by using maps and the US census? You guys are funny! They are just using modern technology.
At this point, it is not the actual census but preliminary work to get ready for the census. They are compliling lists and locations of residences so that when they do the actual census they can be pretty certain that they captured (maybe a bad word on this forum!) as close as they can all locations people live at.
Or maybe it is like in the Bible and the Book of Exidus when the Christians marked their doorways with blood so that they would be spared when the Angel of Death came in the night and killed the first born of all the Egyptians who kept them slaves. If you don't let them mark you house they will take you out.
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It's about delivery of "services." Now, what these services are the the 64-Trillion dollar question. Need to think about what are the inventory of technologies that leverage GPS coordinates.
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Of course they know otherwise how could they collect taxes?
Again, that is simply not the point, your home is being marked and can be monitor with pinpoint accuracy by the Military Industrial Complex--that does not make me feel all warm and cozy knowing they can access, via satellite, my domicile and watch real time movements on my property if they find the need to.
Not sure if you ever seen the movie Patriot Games where the U.S. DoD were able to use satellite imagery, with pinpoint accuracy, to find the militant IRA members hold up in a dessert training camp and eliminate them. Now, that may seem far fetched but they have that technology despite the fact they say they still cannot find Bin Laden.
Put this technology in the hands of rogue operatives and Houston we have a problem.
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What happens when the very technology he uses to hunt is reversed on him?
I have ALREADY pointed out it was designed by NASA and is controlled by the Military!
They could have ascertained all this information through the U.S. Postal Service or going to town/city tax maps--you simply seem to ignore these points. *SIGH*
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GPS satallites are one way. They emit a signal which receivers pick up and the time it takes for the signal to get to the receiver tells it how far away from the satallite the receiver is. They are basically giant atomic clocks- they send out a signal which indicates what time the signal left the satallite and the GPS unit has its own clock and sees how much time elapsed between when the signal left the satallite and when it reached the receiver which uses that to calculate the distance the signal has travelled. With three or more satallites you can determine (with the receiver) where on Earth you are. They cannot use the satallite to read the receiver and send back information on who is using a receiver or where the receriver unit is. They cannot use GPS to tell where you are unless you share that information- thus they cannot use GPS to tell where my Dad was hunting so in that sense they cannot use his GPS against him. Likewise if you have a GPS device in your car, nobody can use that GPS receiver to tell where you are located unless the GPS is linked to something else.
For the military or NASA to be able to use the information the census bureau collects, the Bureau has to give the info to them. The information tells them that a house is located at a particular place. The Census bureau is not putting any names with that house.
If they really want to track you down, they can use as you say regular street maps or satallite imaging of your neighborhood. They do not have to use GPS to specifically locate and target your house. The GPS is just a dot on a map.
For more information on how this works: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/travel/gps.htm
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ACORN is a corrupt, criminal and a special interest BUSINESS. They should be feared and they should be put down. They should be abhhored, yet they are welcomed with open arms with taxpayer monies. ACORN IS SHIT.
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OBAMA USURPS THE CONSTITUTION, GRABS CENSUS JURISDICTION - GAMING THE SYSTEM
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...e-constitution-steals-the-census-taking-.html
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...e-constitution-steals-the-census-taking-.html
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Well, first, I don't live in a neighborhood, second, I don't have a sidewalk, and third, he ain't going to walk anywhere near 40 ft of my house, as it is about 800 feet into the woods.
I don't even have a "street address"...all I have is a 911 Address, and the mail man can't even find it, as it isn't a "legal address".... I am not on google maps, and when I do type in my address, all I get is something about 2 miles away from me..nowhere near me...as a matter of practicality, they won't be coming to my house.
Another thing, I was merely asking about what living in a mobile home had to do with anything, as if it is a permanent residence it is a home, and you still have laws...that was all.
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Criminal Charges Against ACORN Raise Concerns About Its Partnership With Census Burea
Criminal Charges Against ACORN Raise Concerns About Its Partnership With Census Bureau
Wednesday, May 06, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
(CNSNews.com) – Criminal charges filed in Nevada against ACORN, a liberal activist group that is under investigation in several other states for alleged voter registration fraud in 2008, have sparked increased concerns about the organization’s partnership agreement with the U.S. Census Bureau to help recruit workers for the 2010 Census.
ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is among 281 non-profit groups and 111 corporations that have signed partnership agreements with the Census Bureau as of April 13. Those partners will help provide 1.4 million workers to conduct door-to-door operations. (See Partner List)
“The Bureau needs to reconsider ACORN’s involvement as a partner in light of these new charges in Nevada,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told CNSNews.com.
“I previously spoke about ACORN’s involvement in the Census,” said McHenry. “But in light of these charges, I think it makes clear that they should not be part of the partnership program with the Census.”
On Monday, the state of Nevada filed charges against ACORN that are related to the manner in which organization compensated workers who were collecting voter registrations. (See Nevada Attorney General Announcement)
“By structuring employment and compensation around a quota system, ACORN facilitated voter registration fraud in this state,” said Attorney General Catherine Cortes Masto in a statement. “Nevada will not tolerate violations of the law by individuals, nor will it allow corporations to hide behind or place blame on their employees when its training manuals clearly detail, condone and, indeed, require, illegal acts in performing the job for the corporation.”
The Nevada charges will not play a role in the group’s work with the Census Bureau, ACORN spokesman David Redlener told CNSNews.com.
In a written statement, he said that ACORN would primarily be responsible for “mailings and other in-house communications; displaying and/or distributing 2010 Census promotional materials; providing space to train new employees; sponsoring community events to promote participation in the Census; allowing the Census bureau to post ACORN’s name on the 2010 Census Web site; [and] linking 2010 Census Web site to ACORN’s Web site.”
Redlener further said the organization does not know if it will receive any federal funds for its partnership.
The constitutionally required Census is done every 10 years and determines how congressional seats are apportioned among the states. Unlike in 2000, Congress has not authorized a bipartisan U.S. Census Monitoring Board to oversee the 2010 enumeration.
“There needs to be proper oversight of this and I’m going to be very involved in insuring that we have proper oversight of this process and that it is an apolitical enumeration and a true count of all of those in our country,” McHenry said.
ACORN’s role is “alarming,” said Ken Blackwell, who was national chairman of the U.S. Census Monitoring Board from 1998 to 2001.
“They have a record riddled with improprieties,” Blackwell told CNSNews.com. “There is no bipartisan oversight and management of the census. It could lead folks to seriously question the integrity and objectivity of the census.”
However, ACORN should not be banned from partnering with the Census Bureau, as community groups are typically necessary in helping the government count people, Blackwell said.
“There is always an army of paid employees and volunteers that need to be there,” he said. “My concern is that an organization that made up people through false voter registration -- a reasonable person would suspect they would do the same in the Census count. Does that mean bar ACORN across the country? No. It does mean we need transparency and bipartisan oversight.”
The Census Bureau could not answer questions specifically on ACORN Tuesday, but a spokesman stressed that there is adequate oversight.
“In the partnership program, all the organizations do is help raise awareness about the Census,” Bureau spokesman Raul Cisneros told CNSNews.com. “Congress has oversight of the bureau and the census.”
The Nevada probe began last year when the Clark County registrar of voters, Harvard “Larry” Lomax, received numerous voter registration applications that appeared to be fraudulent. The forms were identified by the serial numbers on the application as those issued to ACORN for registering new voters. The Clark County registrar’s office filed a complaint with the secretary of state’s office.
In Nevada, throughout 2008, ACORN paid canvassers between $8 and $9 per hour to
register voters. The canvassers had to sign up 20 voters per shift or be terminated, a policy that was outlined in the training materials for ACORN, according to the Nevada attorney general’s Office.
From July through October, ACORN had a “Blackjack” program that provided a $5 per hour bonus for employees who registered 21 or more voters per shift.
“Nevada will not tolerate violations of the law by individuals nor will it allow corporations to hide behind or place blame on their employees when its training manuals clearly detail, condone and, indeed, require illegal acts in performing the job for the corporation,” Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto said in a statement.
Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller stressed, “It’s important to keep in mind that this was a case of registration fraud, not voter fraud.”
Monday, ACORN spokesman Scott Levenson denied the charges. “Our policy all along has been to pay workers at an hourly rate and to not pay employees based on any bonus or incentive program,” he told the Associated Press.
Washington State filed charges in 2007 against several paid ACORN employees and supervisors for allegedly falsifying 1,700 voter registration forms. In 2008, a Pennsylvania ACORN employee was convicted for fabricating 29 voter registration forms.
These examples were cited in a Mar. 24 letter from Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) to President Barack Obama. (See Shelby letter)
“Past allegations of fraud should raise great concern about the accuracy of data provided by this organization,” Shelby wrote.
“To keep the census non-partisan, we cannot allow a biased, politically active organization taking any type of official role in the process, let alone recruitment,” said Shelby.
“Using ACORN to mobilize hundreds of thousands of temporary workers can surely lead to abuses for those who want to gain political advantage, just as we saw with the voter registration issues in past elections. The laws that govern voter fraud were not enough to dissuade those with the intent to throw an election, and it is doubtful that laws governing fraud in the census will be any more effective against such deceitful intents.”
The Census became a controversial issue this year when news surfaced that the Obama administration allegedly planned to move oversight of the national headcount from the Commerce Department to the White House. After complaints that led in part to Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) not accepting the Commerce Secretary position, the White House dropped the plan.
Criminal Charges Against ACORN Raise Concerns About Its Partnership With Census Bureau
Wednesday, May 06, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
(CNSNews.com) – Criminal charges filed in Nevada against ACORN, a liberal activist group that is under investigation in several other states for alleged voter registration fraud in 2008, have sparked increased concerns about the organization’s partnership agreement with the U.S. Census Bureau to help recruit workers for the 2010 Census.
ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is among 281 non-profit groups and 111 corporations that have signed partnership agreements with the Census Bureau as of April 13. Those partners will help provide 1.4 million workers to conduct door-to-door operations. (See Partner List)
“The Bureau needs to reconsider ACORN’s involvement as a partner in light of these new charges in Nevada,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told CNSNews.com.
“I previously spoke about ACORN’s involvement in the Census,” said McHenry. “But in light of these charges, I think it makes clear that they should not be part of the partnership program with the Census.”
On Monday, the state of Nevada filed charges against ACORN that are related to the manner in which organization compensated workers who were collecting voter registrations. (See Nevada Attorney General Announcement)
“By structuring employment and compensation around a quota system, ACORN facilitated voter registration fraud in this state,” said Attorney General Catherine Cortes Masto in a statement. “Nevada will not tolerate violations of the law by individuals, nor will it allow corporations to hide behind or place blame on their employees when its training manuals clearly detail, condone and, indeed, require, illegal acts in performing the job for the corporation.”
The Nevada charges will not play a role in the group’s work with the Census Bureau, ACORN spokesman David Redlener told CNSNews.com.
In a written statement, he said that ACORN would primarily be responsible for “mailings and other in-house communications; displaying and/or distributing 2010 Census promotional materials; providing space to train new employees; sponsoring community events to promote participation in the Census; allowing the Census bureau to post ACORN’s name on the 2010 Census Web site; [and] linking 2010 Census Web site to ACORN’s Web site.”
Redlener further said the organization does not know if it will receive any federal funds for its partnership.
The constitutionally required Census is done every 10 years and determines how congressional seats are apportioned among the states. Unlike in 2000, Congress has not authorized a bipartisan U.S. Census Monitoring Board to oversee the 2010 enumeration.
“There needs to be proper oversight of this and I’m going to be very involved in insuring that we have proper oversight of this process and that it is an apolitical enumeration and a true count of all of those in our country,” McHenry said.
ACORN’s role is “alarming,” said Ken Blackwell, who was national chairman of the U.S. Census Monitoring Board from 1998 to 2001.
“They have a record riddled with improprieties,” Blackwell told CNSNews.com. “There is no bipartisan oversight and management of the census. It could lead folks to seriously question the integrity and objectivity of the census.”
However, ACORN should not be banned from partnering with the Census Bureau, as community groups are typically necessary in helping the government count people, Blackwell said.
“There is always an army of paid employees and volunteers that need to be there,” he said. “My concern is that an organization that made up people through false voter registration -- a reasonable person would suspect they would do the same in the Census count. Does that mean bar ACORN across the country? No. It does mean we need transparency and bipartisan oversight.”
The Census Bureau could not answer questions specifically on ACORN Tuesday, but a spokesman stressed that there is adequate oversight.
“In the partnership program, all the organizations do is help raise awareness about the Census,” Bureau spokesman Raul Cisneros told CNSNews.com. “Congress has oversight of the bureau and the census.”
The Nevada probe began last year when the Clark County registrar of voters, Harvard “Larry” Lomax, received numerous voter registration applications that appeared to be fraudulent. The forms were identified by the serial numbers on the application as those issued to ACORN for registering new voters. The Clark County registrar’s office filed a complaint with the secretary of state’s office.
In Nevada, throughout 2008, ACORN paid canvassers between $8 and $9 per hour to
register voters. The canvassers had to sign up 20 voters per shift or be terminated, a policy that was outlined in the training materials for ACORN, according to the Nevada attorney general’s Office.
From July through October, ACORN had a “Blackjack” program that provided a $5 per hour bonus for employees who registered 21 or more voters per shift.
“Nevada will not tolerate violations of the law by individuals nor will it allow corporations to hide behind or place blame on their employees when its training manuals clearly detail, condone and, indeed, require illegal acts in performing the job for the corporation,” Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto said in a statement.
Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller stressed, “It’s important to keep in mind that this was a case of registration fraud, not voter fraud.”
Monday, ACORN spokesman Scott Levenson denied the charges. “Our policy all along has been to pay workers at an hourly rate and to not pay employees based on any bonus or incentive program,” he told the Associated Press.
Washington State filed charges in 2007 against several paid ACORN employees and supervisors for allegedly falsifying 1,700 voter registration forms. In 2008, a Pennsylvania ACORN employee was convicted for fabricating 29 voter registration forms.
These examples were cited in a Mar. 24 letter from Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) to President Barack Obama. (See Shelby letter)
“Past allegations of fraud should raise great concern about the accuracy of data provided by this organization,” Shelby wrote.
“To keep the census non-partisan, we cannot allow a biased, politically active organization taking any type of official role in the process, let alone recruitment,” said Shelby.
“Using ACORN to mobilize hundreds of thousands of temporary workers can surely lead to abuses for those who want to gain political advantage, just as we saw with the voter registration issues in past elections. The laws that govern voter fraud were not enough to dissuade those with the intent to throw an election, and it is doubtful that laws governing fraud in the census will be any more effective against such deceitful intents.”
The Census became a controversial issue this year when news surfaced that the Obama administration allegedly planned to move oversight of the national headcount from the Commerce Department to the White House. After complaints that led in part to Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) not accepting the Commerce Secretary position, the White House dropped the plan.
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Coordinates being taken for every residence in nation
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97208
Coordinates being taken for every residence in nation
According to an online Yahoo program, the Global Position System coordinates for the White House, probably one of the best-known publicly owned buildings in the world, are 38.898590 Latitude and -77.035971 Longitude. And since you know that, it's no big deal for the White House to know the coordinates for your front door, is it?
Some people think it is, and are upset over an army of some 140,000 workers hired in part with a $700 million taxpayer-funded contract to collect GPS readings for every front door in the nation.
The data collection, presented as preparation for the 2010 Census, is pinpointing with computer accuracy the locations and has raised considerable concern from privacy advocates who have questioned why the information is needed. The privacy advocates also are more than a little worried over what could be done with that information.
Enhancing the concerns is the Obama administration's recent decision to put White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in an oversight role over the census, which will be used to determine a reapportionment of congressional seats and could be used to solidify a single political party's control over the nation, its budget, military and future.
Commerce Secretary Gary Locke recently told the Washington Post: "The census director reports to me, and, of course, I serve at the pleasure of the president." He added the White House told him "it has no interest in politicizing [the census]."
But at American Daily Review, blogger Douglas Gibbs had more than a few doubts.
"GPS coordinates of your front door will make it easier for the government to monitor you," he said. "The U.S. Census Bureau is simply an excuse – a harmless looking means of obtaining the front door coordinates. The creation of GPS coordinates for front doors has nothing to do with the census, in all honesty, no matter how much the United States government tries to convince you that it does."
He recalled wondering why, just weeks ago, the Obama administration announced its oversight of the census, "literally taking control of the census away from the Commerce Department."
He put that together with Obama's longtime push for national service.
"The Obamites, thirsty to serve their new messianic figure, have lost enough of their objectivity to be willingly recruited into such an insidious program like gaining these coordinates for the U.S. government. … I ask again, what would be the purpose of shooting the GPS coordinates of American doorways?" he wrote.
The answer he provided was alarming.
"Imagine, if you will, that there are a number of people in a neighborhood that could not find the addresses they are tasked with finding. They are not locals, maybe are unable to read a map, or perhaps do not have the time to pull out a map, and they need to find you with specific GPS coordinates. Their devices would lead them to your front door with these coordinates. Imagine a crisis is afoot, and martial law is put into place. U.S. troops need to round up particular folks," he wrote.
"Let's take this a step further. After all, with Barack Obama desiring to decrease the number of folks in the military, and with forces committed worldwide, we may not have sufficient military forces at home to deal with a rising national emergency. If the government decided to rely on foreign troops, perhaps United Nations personnel, most of which may not understand the street signs, much less know the lay of the land, they could use GPS devices to direct them to your front door," he wrote.
According to the Census Bureau's website, the GPS technology "allows us to reduce the amount of time spent by census workers in locating addresses. … Most importantly, by adding a GPS coordinate to each housing unit, the Census Bureau is able to ensure that residents are counted in the right location."
At Canada Free Press, commentator J.B. Williams said, "I can't resist the urge to question the authority and purpose behind such a BIG BROTHER initiative, when the official census itself is not due to be taken until 2010…
"No imagination is required to think up a whole laundry list of evil that could be done with a nationwide GPS grid of coordinate's markers painted on every private home across the country. But I was having trouble thinking up one good reason for it, even one legitimate use that would justify what must be a very expensive undertaking," he said.
"Why does the Obama administration need or want the latitude and longitude coordinates for every home in America? Why the rush to GPS paint every home in the next 90 days? Why must the marker be within 40 feet of every front door? For what possible purpose does the Fed need GPS coordinates for every home, and under what authority do they have the right? Census workers, whom I asked, had the same holy-crap look on their faces that I had by then," he wrote.
Then he cited the cooperative effort that the U.S. Census Bureau has reached with ACORN, the organization of community activists with which Obama worked.
"Obama's interest in an ACORN-controlled 2010 Census, for the purpose of redistricting to the advantage of Democrats before the 2010 mid-term elections, comes as NO shock from a regime known for their heavy handed Rules for Radicals political strategies. But what does this have to do with GPS marking every home in the country?" he questioned.
Ask those who have served military duty, he said. They are very familiar with the most common use of GPS target painting, and the rest might want to read books such as "The Precision Revolution: GPS and the Future of Aerial Warfare."
Online sources noted that Google Maps already probably has listed most homes in the nation.
"But the front door? Sounds like a jackboot convenience to me," said RightSoup.com.
Added Williams, "What I do know is this … Coincidences of this number and magnitude don't happen. … I also know that people had better start asking the right people the right questions and demanding answers fast. Begin with asking the mainstream press why there has been no public notification of the federal governments GPS marking your front door?"
A number of concerned citizens have contacted WND about the program, and repeatedly have cited warnings delivered by the GPS squad members that their failure to allow the readings would result in fines and possibly imprisonment under Title 13, which allows the census to be taken.
But repeatedly they've gotten no answers when asked what a GPS reading has to do with the number of people living at the home – which isn't supposed to be subject to questions until 2010 anyway.
One WND reader raised these questions to a local census office.
"What authority does the U.S. Census Bureau have for sending anyone to my front door in April of 2009 to mark it with GPS coordinates? This is unacceptable. The census is not due until 2010, and the usurpation of the census by the White House is unconstitutional. … This citizen will not answer census questions until the year they are due, and demands that my GPS coordinates be removed from all government records."
The census response?
"Address canvassing should conclude by mid-July. The operation will use new hand-held computers equipped with GPS to increase geographic accuracy. The ability to capture GPS coordinates for most of the nation's housing units will greatly reduce the number of geographic coding errors caused by using paper maps in previous counts. … During the address canvassing operation, census workers may ask to verify a housing structure's address and whether there are additional living quarters on the property. All census workers carry official government badges marked with just their name. You also may ask them for a picture ID from another source to confirm their identity. In addition, some census workers might carry a 'U. S. Census Workers' bag."
Another WND reader, from Washington state, reported he is having his attorney look into the legality of the GPS data collection and hopes to have enough support for a legal challenge.
The reader, whose name was withheld because of his concerns over repercussions, said a government home data collector ignored his no trespassing sign, and he was threatened by the collector for wanting to refuse to provide "census" information.
He said GPS mapping nowhere is authorized for census workers.
Census spokesman Stephen Buckner told WND the activity is, in fact, proper, and even necessary. There are homes being built and torn down constantly, and the census needs such information. Local building records and other government databases such as tax records would not suffice, he said.
"There are 140,000 workers walking every street of America," he told WND, in order to document 145 million addresses with GPS coordinates.
He assured WND that all such personal information is confidential, because employees of contractors doing the work are subject to a $250,000 fine or imprisonment for five years for revealing personal information. He also confirmed that the last case that was prosecuted under the law was nearly 50 years ago.
"We have to verify every single address," he said.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97208
Coordinates being taken for every residence in nation
According to an online Yahoo program, the Global Position System coordinates for the White House, probably one of the best-known publicly owned buildings in the world, are 38.898590 Latitude and -77.035971 Longitude. And since you know that, it's no big deal for the White House to know the coordinates for your front door, is it?
Some people think it is, and are upset over an army of some 140,000 workers hired in part with a $700 million taxpayer-funded contract to collect GPS readings for every front door in the nation.
The data collection, presented as preparation for the 2010 Census, is pinpointing with computer accuracy the locations and has raised considerable concern from privacy advocates who have questioned why the information is needed. The privacy advocates also are more than a little worried over what could be done with that information.
Enhancing the concerns is the Obama administration's recent decision to put White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in an oversight role over the census, which will be used to determine a reapportionment of congressional seats and could be used to solidify a single political party's control over the nation, its budget, military and future.
Commerce Secretary Gary Locke recently told the Washington Post: "The census director reports to me, and, of course, I serve at the pleasure of the president." He added the White House told him "it has no interest in politicizing [the census]."
But at American Daily Review, blogger Douglas Gibbs had more than a few doubts.
"GPS coordinates of your front door will make it easier for the government to monitor you," he said. "The U.S. Census Bureau is simply an excuse – a harmless looking means of obtaining the front door coordinates. The creation of GPS coordinates for front doors has nothing to do with the census, in all honesty, no matter how much the United States government tries to convince you that it does."
He recalled wondering why, just weeks ago, the Obama administration announced its oversight of the census, "literally taking control of the census away from the Commerce Department."
He put that together with Obama's longtime push for national service.
"The Obamites, thirsty to serve their new messianic figure, have lost enough of their objectivity to be willingly recruited into such an insidious program like gaining these coordinates for the U.S. government. … I ask again, what would be the purpose of shooting the GPS coordinates of American doorways?" he wrote.
The answer he provided was alarming.
"Imagine, if you will, that there are a number of people in a neighborhood that could not find the addresses they are tasked with finding. They are not locals, maybe are unable to read a map, or perhaps do not have the time to pull out a map, and they need to find you with specific GPS coordinates. Their devices would lead them to your front door with these coordinates. Imagine a crisis is afoot, and martial law is put into place. U.S. troops need to round up particular folks," he wrote.
"Let's take this a step further. After all, with Barack Obama desiring to decrease the number of folks in the military, and with forces committed worldwide, we may not have sufficient military forces at home to deal with a rising national emergency. If the government decided to rely on foreign troops, perhaps United Nations personnel, most of which may not understand the street signs, much less know the lay of the land, they could use GPS devices to direct them to your front door," he wrote.
According to the Census Bureau's website, the GPS technology "allows us to reduce the amount of time spent by census workers in locating addresses. … Most importantly, by adding a GPS coordinate to each housing unit, the Census Bureau is able to ensure that residents are counted in the right location."
At Canada Free Press, commentator J.B. Williams said, "I can't resist the urge to question the authority and purpose behind such a BIG BROTHER initiative, when the official census itself is not due to be taken until 2010…
"No imagination is required to think up a whole laundry list of evil that could be done with a nationwide GPS grid of coordinate's markers painted on every private home across the country. But I was having trouble thinking up one good reason for it, even one legitimate use that would justify what must be a very expensive undertaking," he said.
"Why does the Obama administration need or want the latitude and longitude coordinates for every home in America? Why the rush to GPS paint every home in the next 90 days? Why must the marker be within 40 feet of every front door? For what possible purpose does the Fed need GPS coordinates for every home, and under what authority do they have the right? Census workers, whom I asked, had the same holy-crap look on their faces that I had by then," he wrote.
Then he cited the cooperative effort that the U.S. Census Bureau has reached with ACORN, the organization of community activists with which Obama worked.
"Obama's interest in an ACORN-controlled 2010 Census, for the purpose of redistricting to the advantage of Democrats before the 2010 mid-term elections, comes as NO shock from a regime known for their heavy handed Rules for Radicals political strategies. But what does this have to do with GPS marking every home in the country?" he questioned.
Ask those who have served military duty, he said. They are very familiar with the most common use of GPS target painting, and the rest might want to read books such as "The Precision Revolution: GPS and the Future of Aerial Warfare."
Online sources noted that Google Maps already probably has listed most homes in the nation.
"But the front door? Sounds like a jackboot convenience to me," said RightSoup.com.
Added Williams, "What I do know is this … Coincidences of this number and magnitude don't happen. … I also know that people had better start asking the right people the right questions and demanding answers fast. Begin with asking the mainstream press why there has been no public notification of the federal governments GPS marking your front door?"
A number of concerned citizens have contacted WND about the program, and repeatedly have cited warnings delivered by the GPS squad members that their failure to allow the readings would result in fines and possibly imprisonment under Title 13, which allows the census to be taken.
But repeatedly they've gotten no answers when asked what a GPS reading has to do with the number of people living at the home – which isn't supposed to be subject to questions until 2010 anyway.
One WND reader raised these questions to a local census office.
"What authority does the U.S. Census Bureau have for sending anyone to my front door in April of 2009 to mark it with GPS coordinates? This is unacceptable. The census is not due until 2010, and the usurpation of the census by the White House is unconstitutional. … This citizen will not answer census questions until the year they are due, and demands that my GPS coordinates be removed from all government records."
The census response?
"Address canvassing should conclude by mid-July. The operation will use new hand-held computers equipped with GPS to increase geographic accuracy. The ability to capture GPS coordinates for most of the nation's housing units will greatly reduce the number of geographic coding errors caused by using paper maps in previous counts. … During the address canvassing operation, census workers may ask to verify a housing structure's address and whether there are additional living quarters on the property. All census workers carry official government badges marked with just their name. You also may ask them for a picture ID from another source to confirm their identity. In addition, some census workers might carry a 'U. S. Census Workers' bag."
Another WND reader, from Washington state, reported he is having his attorney look into the legality of the GPS data collection and hopes to have enough support for a legal challenge.
The reader, whose name was withheld because of his concerns over repercussions, said a government home data collector ignored his no trespassing sign, and he was threatened by the collector for wanting to refuse to provide "census" information.
He said GPS mapping nowhere is authorized for census workers.
Census spokesman Stephen Buckner told WND the activity is, in fact, proper, and even necessary. There are homes being built and torn down constantly, and the census needs such information. Local building records and other government databases such as tax records would not suffice, he said.
"There are 140,000 workers walking every street of America," he told WND, in order to document 145 million addresses with GPS coordinates.
He assured WND that all such personal information is confidential, because employees of contractors doing the work are subject to a $250,000 fine or imprisonment for five years for revealing personal information. He also confirmed that the last case that was prosecuted under the law was nearly 50 years ago.
"We have to verify every single address," he said.
ItsTime
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They are making their way through my area right now. My brother (one town over) had his place tagged by the GPS.
My brother was outside when they showed up. They just parked in someones driveway, and started walking down the road. The woman comes home to find them parked there. She yells at them to move their car. They respond "we are with the government" She said... and I quote "Well have some fucking respect". They moved the car.
Acorn pissing off one American at a time
My brother was outside when they showed up. They just parked in someones driveway, and started walking down the road. The woman comes home to find them parked there. She yells at them to move their car. They respond "we are with the government" She said... and I quote "Well have some fucking respect". They moved the car.
Acorn pissing off one American at a time
donnay
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Yeah they hit us about two weeks ago. Rummaged through our neighbor's mailbox, too--she reported it to the Sheriff.
I wish there were a way to jam the GPS coordinates.
I cannot believe people are not fired up about being forced on the grid and losing a lot more liberty.
I wish there were a way to jam the GPS coordinates.
I cannot believe people are not fired up about being forced on the grid and losing a lot more liberty.
Mortikhi
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asimplegirl
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Good for you!! Though I doubt it will happen at my house (never does), I plan to the exact same thing if the situation ever arises.
Zippyjuan
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Do you require a translator?He speaks, yet all I hear is "BAA BAAAA BAAAAA"
Baaa. baaa baaaa baaaaa baaa. Or is it too much wool over your eyes?
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