Obama Administration Says President Can Use Lethal Force Against Americans On US Soil

green73 said:
I guess this isn't big news here.
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It's probably that a lot of people here did not need to be told that the president feels he could assassinate Americans on US soil without consequence. It's news. But not new news. I knew the answer to this question after Al Awlaki. Here, there, what's the difference? American citizens are killed without due process and no one cares. Seeing the trends I know it is only a matter of time. I'm kind of surprised Dorner wasn't 'liberated' out of that cabin.
 
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We always knew he would, but it is nice to hear him say it. Good on Rand for forcing him to put it on paper!
 
sailingaway said:
I think they are taking advantage of people being numb. It is the what do we do to stop it? part....

spreading it is the first step imho.
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Yeah, you're on to something there. It takes a lot to really shock me now days. I remember hearing about 60M going to Syria and found myself thinking, meh, it's only 60 million dollars. I'm used to billions or trillions being siphoned away. It's the same in this sense. I'm used to reading about the governments that were overthrown or the people assassinated on whim. The AG saying they could assassinate an American on our soil in certain circumstances just doesn't surprise me.
 
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What is lawful is for United States citizens to use military force against unlawful representatives under extraordinary circumstances.
 
CTRattlesnake said:
I'd love to know what they define "extraordinary circumstances as"
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You need look no further than Syria for a current, real world example. Bashar al-Assad agrees with Eric Holder and Barrack Obama. Gaddafi, Saddam and Uncle Joe Stalin agree from the grave.
 
kcchiefs6465 said:
It's probably that a lot of people here did not need to be told that the president feels he could assassinate Americans on US soil without consequence. It's news. But not new news. I knew the answer to this question after Al Awlaki. Here, there, what's the difference? American citizens are killed without due process and no one cares. Seeing the trends I know it is only a matter of time. I'm kind of surprised Dorner wasn't 'liberated' out of that cabin.
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I was listening to one of local radio stations during the Dorner in the cabin stuff and someone called in saying that they should just bomb the cabin with a drone to get it over with. Imagine how surprised I was to find out that the caller was in law enforcement.
 
Rudeman said:
I was listening to one of local radio stations during the Dorner in the cabin stuff and someone called in saying that they should just bomb the cabin with a drone to get it over with. Imagine how surprised I was to find out that the caller was in law enforcement.
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I'd be more surprised if some civilians didn't think the same way. They surely wouldn't have cared for long about the precedents established. I mean, let's be realistic, they purposely lit the cabin on fire; No one cares. It's rather depressing actually. A few more years of televised bullshit and a few more erosions of the 4th and I'd bet my last dollar [a real silver dollar, not that funny money bullshit I'll probably end up wiping my ass with] that it will happen, and no one will care. People will be more fearful to actually speak out against it for fear that they themselves will be labeled a domestic terrorist or radical and put on some FISA court docket or presidential flash card. I'll put it like this, it's a rainy day today. Forecasts speak of a hail storm coming. After that, it will be a hurricane, of sorts.
 
they define "extraordinary circumstances as"
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Absolute power... government will declare anything and everything as "extraordinary circumstance" and their public relations firms aka Propaganda Centers of Corporate Media will push that agenda.


ahhhh, good old Robert A. Heinlein's 'Starship Troopers' ...complete Fascist Nationalism dictated daily.
 
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Eat, drink, and be merry.. for tomorrow we may be drone-killed with absolutely no trial and no evidence, for nothing but our Emperor's whim.. Cheers!

(what's the way off this island??)
 
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Chavez...or O-bomb-ya?

In fact, President _____ was a pioneer and one of the most adroit practitioners of a political strategy that became common after the Cold War in many countries that political scientists call competitive authoritarian regimes. These are regimes where leaders gain power through democratic elections and then change the constitution and other laws to weaken checks and balances on the executive, thus ensuring the regime’s continuity and its almost total autonomy while still retaining a patina of democratic legitimacy.
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phill4paul said:
2,700 DHS amored personnel carriers...
2 billion rounds of ammo ordered by DHS...
DHS targets depicting citizens including pregnant women and children...
DHS detention facilities...
Grants to local law enforcement agencies including Bearcats and full-auto rifles...
Local police and military joint training exercises in major American cities...
Dramatic rise in the number of police para-military units...
Legislation for the use of drones over America...UPDATE: For purposes other than surveillance including a strike against a "threat" on American soil.
Efforts to curtail the second amendment of citizens and particularly ex-military...

The hammer is coming.
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+rep What will it take for people to finally see what's going on?
 
V3n said:
Eat, drink, and be merry.. for tomorrow we may be drone-killed with absolutely no trial and no evidence, for nothing but our Emperor's whim.. Cheers!

(what's the way off this island??)
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It's provided by the state......

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Thinking a little more about this, I wonder if most or even just many people realize that there are some limits on the power the president actually has, and particularly on his ability to, you know, just kill whoever he wants.

I suspect that this piece of news will garner very little attention. I think a LOT of people think the president can do this if he sees fit. In fact, when it does finally happen, I think it will be met with one big 'meh'.
 
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