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Obama Administration Says President Can Use Lethal Force Against Americans On US Soil

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This may be Rand's news that everyone is scooping by putting him off.

Yes, the president does have the authority to use military force against American citizens on US soil—but only in "an extraordinary circumstance," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a letter to Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) Tuesday.

Last month, Paul threatened to filibuster the nomination of John Brennan, Obama's pick to head the CIA, "until he answers the question of whether or not the President can kill American citizens through the drone strike program on U.S. soil." Tuesday, Brennan told Paul that "the agency I have been nominated to lead does not conduct lethal operations inside the United States—nor does it have any authority to do so." Brennan said that the Justice Department would answer Paul's question about whether Americans could be targeted for lethal strikes on US soil.

Holder's answer was more detailed, however, stating that under certain circumstances, the president would have the authority to order lethal attacks on American citizens. The two possible examples of such "extraordinary" circumstances were the attack on Pearl Harbor and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. An American president order the use of lethal military force inside the US is "entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront," Holder wrote. Here's the bulk of the letter:

more: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/201...an-use-lethal-force-against-americans-us-soil
 
2,700 DHS amored personnel carriers...
2 billion rounds of ammo ordered by DHS...
DHS targets depicting citizens including pregnant women and children...
DHS detention facilities...
Grants to local law enforcement agencies including Bearcats and full-auto rifles...
Local police and military joint training exercises in major American cities...
Dramatic rise in the number of police para-military units...
Legislation for the use of drones over America...UPDATE: For purposes other than surveillance including a strike against a "threat" on American soil.
Efforts to curtail the second amendment of citizens and particularly ex-military...

The hammer is coming.
 
Holder: Drone strikes against Americans on U.S. soil are legal

Attorney General Eric Holder can imagine a scenario in which it would be constitutional to carry out a drone strike against and American on American soil, he wrote in a letter to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.

“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States,” Holder replied in a letter yesterday to Paul’s question about whether Obama “has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial.”

Paul condemned the idea. “The U.S. Attorney General’s refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening – it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans,” he said in a statement.

Holder noted that Paul’s question was “entirely hypothetical [and] unlikely to occur,” but cited the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks as the type of incidents that might provoke such a response.

“Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority,” he concluded.

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, an attorney and Judiciary Committee member, told The Washington Examiner last month that the drone policy so far outlined by the administration is too vague.

“That has the potential to swallow the rule,” Lee said after the drone program white paper was leaked. “If you’re going to regard somebody as presenting an imminent threat of an attack on the U.S. simply because you have concluded that they are an ‘operational leader’ or they are involved in planning an attack in one way or another, you find yourself giving way to much discretion to the government.”

Lee said that the White House should release the formal legal analysis underpinning the drone program. “We know that in some instances where the government has released its legal analysis, it gets it wrong,” he said.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/eric-...ricans-on-u.s.-soil-are-legal/article/2523319
 
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All of this shit is totally unlawful, unnatural, unconstitutional, void, null, bullshit.
But they continue anyway, like it's normal.

Well, yeah, but he said "extraordinary circumstances". That makes you feel better, doesn't it?
 
Well, yeah, but he said "extraordinary circumstances". That makes you feel better, doesn't it?

twitter is pointing out that the two examples he cited were ones where no need to strike US citizens existed so, wtf?
 
This may be Rand's news that everyone is scooping by putting him off.



more: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/201...an-use-lethal-force-against-americans-us-soil

In linking similarities between Obama and Adolph Hitler, one should read Machiavelli's essay entitled "The Noble Prince." Then again, Adolph Hitler and Mahatma Gandhi, both individuals who effected hundreds of millions of people, were both called "father" by the masses. Fortunately, president Obama neither expresses the courage of Adolph Hitler nor the intelligence of Mahatma Gandhi. Compared to them, the rock star president is called "father" by the silly because of his golden voice.
 
No more need for a Waco/Doerner situation. Have a militia group getting out of line? Special circumstance and direct threat to national security, they'll be droned within the hour.
 
I guess this isn't big news here.

No, not for most. This is the logical extension of the current situation. US citizens droned in a foreign country without charge or trial--> not far from US citizen on US soil. Just waiting for the first such strike. I give it 18-14 months, after the sheep are sufficiently propagandized. Maybe sooner by the looks of it.
 
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