Obama actually making some sense on education

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President Obama said on the "Today" show Monday morning that American students attend school a month less than kids in other countries -- contending that the school-year gap puts them at a competitive disadvantage in the global economy. "The idea of a longer school year, I think, makes sense," he said, when asked if kids should go to school year-round.

The president also said that though per-student spending has gone up in the country, student performance has gone down, which shows that "money without reform will not fix the problem." He urged teachers unions not to resist his administration's reforms, which include evaluation of teachers based on their students' test performance and an emphasis on independent charter schools.

Obama has pushed for a longer school year before.

"We can no longer afford an academic calendar designed when America was a nation of farmers who needed their children at home plowing the land at the end of each day," Obama said last year. "That calendar may have once made sense, but today, it puts us at a competitive disadvantage. Our children spend over a month less in school than children in South Korea. That is no way to prepare them for a 21st-century economy."

He joked then that the idea was not popular with his two school-age daughters. Obama also said that his daughters, Sasha and Malia, would not be able to obtain the same quality of instruction at D.C. public schools (which are known for their low test scores and high dropout rates) that they get at Sidwell Friends School. Advocates of education reform have called out the first family in the past for sending the girls to private school
 
Well, if he does what he says, ill give him credit. But more than likely, it will just end up with more government in the schools.

I am surprised he mentioned charter schools though.
 
South Korea sends it's poorly performing 7th graders to trade apprenticeships, not to highschool.

We could save a ton of money by doing the same.
 
South Korea sends it's poorly performing 7th graders to trade apprenticeships, not to highschool.

We could save a ton of money by doing the same.

This I agree with.

Not everyone should go to college and our economy could use more people skilled in trades.
 
Not everyone needs to go to college. The problem with education is the assumption that all kids should be successful. Some kids are stupid. Firing a teacher for not being able to get a dumbass to preform is kinda ridiculous. Kids need to be held back and separated into like abilities. Well rounded education is for the birds. Learn something useful.
 
Some people are built to or happy to be blue collar, I love it myself however also love white collar jobs as well.

Some like less responsibility and with that usually comes lower wage BUT if you are happy and living then who gives a shit if you went to college or not.

my worry with obama and his pretty school package is the following


add more time to kids being in those seats = more money generated

make teachers accountable VERSUS complaining about the public mandated b.s that they are teaching our kids

allowing teachers to NEVER get fired no matter how shitty they are.


Want to fix this

remove the unions that do nothing except allow shitty teachers to continue teachers and instead pay the teachers who are worth a damn MORE MONEY!


Since it is public education and paid for by us there needs to be accountability and ZERO unions should be allowed. There shouldn't be the ability to know you can't get fired due to having tenure or whatever the damn word is.

I didn't go to college and I learned real good, yessum hehe

want to fix our education system

remove public education and bring it back to each city/town to take care and finance THEIR kids. If a parent can't afford it then guess what, you hope someone pays for it for you, charities or donations versus simply taking it from tax payers to make sure your kid gets a below average education.
 
I agree with Forsmant. You have to separate kids by abilities. Or better yet, advance the use of technology. Use 'intelligent' software that pushes individual students to the edge of their abilities in each subject. And pushes them in the subjects they are worst at. And rewards them when they do well with the subjects they enjoy. I think technology like that would actually be fairly simple in this day and age. And plus, students get better performance reviews. And after 12 years of being pushed in all areas, and learning at each individuals ideal pace, students know what theyre best at, and what they enjoy, thus making picking a career or a major an easier decision.


Of course, I might live in fantasy land. I cant tell.
 
Not everyone needs to go to college. The problem with education is the assumption that all kids should be successful. Some kids are stupid. Firing a teacher for not being able to get a dumbass to preform is kinda ridiculous. Kids need to be held back and separated into like abilities. Well rounded education is for the birds. Learn something useful.

FTW Travis, I totally agree. But I wouldn't say if a student doesn't perform it makes him/her dumb. He could just not be interested in the subject being taught, which is normal. I don't understand why kids are forced to learn things they hate. That went horribly for me with reading fiction novels.
 
Whatever happened to guilds and trade apprenticeships that started with 12 year olds? Kids should be allowed to work again. Learning shouldn't be a bout taking tests. It should be about doing something. I think kids would b e much more apt to learn if they saw that knowledge put to use. Elementary should be all about reading writing and arithmetic. Throw in some civic facts about how our government works and simple day to day math. Forget it. My ideas are too radical. High school is mainly for learning about socializing anyway.
 
FTW Travis, I totally agree. But I wouldn't say if a student doesn't perform it makes him/her dumb. He could just not be interested in the subject being taught, which is normal. I don't understand why kids are forced to learn things they hate. That went horribly for me with reading fiction novels.

I suppose you should learn the three R's even if you hate them. ;)
 
Whatever happened to guilds and trade apprenticeships that started with 12 year olds? Kids should be allowed to work again. Learning shouldn't be a bout taking tests. It should be about doing something. I think kids would b e much more apt to learn if they saw that knowledge put to use. Elementary should be all about reading writing and arithmetic. Throw in some civic facts about how our government works and simple day to day math. Forget it. My ideas are too radical. High school is mainly for learning about socializing anyway.

agreed

right now my son wants to be a game tester, he is bloody amazing at online games especially for his age. Why would he need to go to anything dealing with something unrelated to what he wants to do?

as far as government and other classes, most are bullshit anyways and don't actually teach our kids anything correct however they teach them to disagree with US the parents and how the government odds are is here to "help us".

I'm just scared that as they get more and more into education pretty soon our political enemies might even be the next generation.
 
lol at my high school they started offering all these courses to learn crafts, I know we had welding when I was there. But my sister had a class on floral arrangements, as bizarre as that sounds she worked at Kroger's selling flowers for a few years and became quite good at making arrangements. But I don't see a problem with kids actually working if they want to.
 
That is the plan as far as I can tell.


I love the idea of a public school that everyone can attend, and I don't mind paying for even the children whose parents cannot truly afford to send them there. What I don't like is what we have now. It doesn't work. It's not teaching the children what they really need in life, but is allowing all kinds of shit that we don't want in their everyday life to occur.
 
I am very intrigued by the German school system; we learned about it in German class. It sounds like a much better model for education, because it doesn't force uninterested kids into the same classes as the ones who actually want to learn about a particular subject. The examinations there are much tougher, but it would serve to weed out the kids who seriously don't try at anything. More hours/months in school won't solve anything; most students tune the teachers out by May anyway, and kids nowadays have a ton of after-school activities. I personally would never want to go to school in July because that is when my golf season starts to kick into high gear.

More info about the German school system if you're interested:
Click here
 
Guys...lets be realistic. The State schools exist to socialize and brainwash children. They are evil. Obama didn't say anything new.
 
Guys...lets be realistic. The State schools exist to socialize and brainwash children. They are evil. Obama didn't say anything new.

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I am very intrigued by the German school system; we learned about it in German class. It sounds like a much better model for education, because it doesn't force uninterested kids into the same classes as the ones who actually want to learn about a particular subject. The examinations there are much tougher, but it would serve to weed out the kids who seriously don't try at anything. More hours/months in school won't solve anything; most students tune the teachers out by May anyway, and kids nowadays have a ton of after-school activities. I personally would never want to go to school in July because that is when my golf season starts to kick into high gear.

More info about the German school system if you're interested:
Click here

I spent a year as an exchange student in a Gymnasium after taking two years of German in high school. One thing that really stuck out for me was there were zero true/false, fill-in-the-blank, and multiple-choice tests. It was all essay. You had to know the material and be able to represent it in a clear, logical, manner.

One drawback was getting pigeonholed into trade school if you performed poorly pre-6th grade or so, which meant you wouldn't likely go on to higher education. From what I understood, it was hard to change paths later if you wanted to.

By sixth grade, my host sister was taking English (which was required for six years) and also Latin, which was mandatory for two years.
 
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Why would more time in spent in school help? You don't actually learn anything useful for a job in grades K-12. Primary school is basically day-care and learning basic life skills like reading, writing and arithmetic. High school is just an indicator to colleges about what kind of student you are.

College students, who are actually leaning information relevant to a job are in school WAY less during the year than kids in K-12. What does Mr. Obama have to say to that?
 
Basically what I am hearing is the Federal Government knows best and they will dictate what is going to happen. No, I don't think I like this any better than no child left behind.
 
South Korea sends it's poorly performing 7th graders to trade apprenticeships, not to highschool.

We could save a ton of money by doing the same.
Several European nations do the same, it's definitely a system that could be explored. If you think about it it doesn't make sense to put someone with an IQ of 120 and an IQ of 80 into the same classroom as the 120 IQ guy is gonna be bored, and the 80 IQ guy is going to be way out of his league. It's comparable to putting a 110 pound guy on the football team, it'd be a miserable situation for everyone involved.

As IQ is around 80% genetic Obama's ideas about an extra month of school aren't going to work. The human mind is probably best compared to an elastic, you can stretch a small elastic to be the size of a large elastic, but the moment you release the pressure it'll snap back to its normal size. The whole concept of education creating more intelligent and capable citizens is a socialist lie. Mainstream science has long caught up to the genetic model, but the liberal media still broadcasts 1920 communist propaganda about how education is going to transcend the population to the next level, and we all know how that faerie tale ended.
 
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