Obama A closet constitutionalist?

[ProBlue33]

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/20...scrutinized-if-i-become-president-obama-says/

"DENVER - Maybe it’s his background teaching constitutional law.

If elected president, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said one of the first things he wants to do is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed while Republican President George W. Bush has been in office.

Those that don’t pass muster will be overturned, he said."

Well thats something McCain will never do, it is something Ron Paul would do

Imagine if Obama brought Ron Paul into his adminastration to do this, wouldn't that be amazing.

 

[FrankRep]

Does he have a solid record of pro-constitutional voting?

Why would he start now?

 

[crazyfingers]

Ron Paul and Barack Obama have much different conceptions of the powers afforded to the federal government under the Constitution. Obama would probably take a couple of steps in the right direction, but he's not even close to "getting it", IMO.

 

[Kade]

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/20...scrutinized-if-i-become-president-obama-says/

"DENVER - Maybe it’s his background teaching constitutional law.

If elected president, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said one of the first things he wants to do is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed while Republican President George W. Bush has been in office.

Those that don’t pass muster will be overturned, he said."

Well thats something McCain will never do, it is something Ron Paul would do

Imagine if Obama brought Ron Paul into his adminastration to do this, wouldn't that be amazing.

Please don't give credit to Paul for this... Obama has, in his book, mentioned this OVER and OVER again... he most certainly understands the Constitution... he is trying to win an election now, and that requires pandering....

This is what I've been saying, and this is why I've been saying. Obama's character is wholly different than Bush... and that is a distinction. Bush promised less government, less taxes...etc... and we got none of it...

Obama seems to promise the opposite... but I think many here will be VERY surprised at what kind of President he will be...

 

[ProBlue33]

Does he have a solid record of pro-constitutional voting?

Why would he start now?

Simple. He doesn't agree with neo-con type laws that Bush made in the last 8 years, just like Ron Paul.

 

[Conza88]

Unfuckenbeliable... seriously, why are you even here? You still don't know the real problems America faces? geezus... Lord help us all.
ProBlue33 - Mr clueless no. 1
Kade - Mr clueless no. 2

You guys redefine the word 'wishful thinking' oh so well. And if you really want me to explain why you're delusional, go ahead and ask for it. Fore warning; its a dish served cold, with a pinch of opinion and a big wallop of reality.

 

[sedele]

I have also heard that Obama is a closet homosexual.

 

[Kade]

Unfuckenbeliable... seriously, why are you even here? You still don't know the real problems America faces? geezus... Lord help us all.
ProBlue33 - Mr clueless no. 1
Kade - Mr clueless no. 2

McCain or Obama. Your choice.


Call me clueless.

 

[Kade]

I have also heard that Obama is a closet homosexual.

From your inside circle?

 

[OhioMichael]

I think Obama has a different interpretation of the constitution than we do....

 

[Fields]

I think Obama has a different interpretation of the constitution than we do....

+1

 

[ProBlue33]

Unfuckenbeliable... seriously, why are you even here? You still don't know the real problems America faces? geezus... Lord help us all.

Like many I got interested in Ron Paul in about September of last year, when I heard his speeches, the man had the most logical points I have ever heard, many were new to me, but had the ring of truth.

Like many I was excited that somone like him would run.
When everybody said he can't win, I thought let the primaries decide, THEY HAVE.
When many supporters then said let the delegates at state decide, I though ok sure, well THEY HAVE too. Thanks to GOP treachery, like in Nevada.

I am above all else a pragmatic realist, Ron Paul's movement will continue, but he will never be president, because the GOP will never allow it, if you haven't figured that out yet I feel sorry for you, it's delusional hope.

I come here to see how the movement is doing.
And know this, the primary goal of every Ron Paul supporter is to stop McCain now. I will never forget or forgive the condesending looks and talk McCain gave Ron Paul during the debates.
So if that means supporting Obama in a swing state so be it.
Screw the GOP and their disrespect for Ron Paul and his supporters

 

[Kade]

Like many I got interested in Ron Paul in about September of last year, when I heard his speeches, the man had the most logical points I have ever heard, many were new to me, but had the ring of truth.

Like many I was excited that somone like him would run.
When everybody said he can't win, I thought let the primaries decide, THEY HAVE.
When many supporters then said let the delegates at state decide, I though ok sure, well THEY HAVE too. Thanks to GOP treachery, like in Nevada.

I am above all else a pragmatic realist, Ron Paul's movement will continue, but he will never be president, because the GOP will never allow it, if you haven't figured that out yet I feel sorry for you, it's delusional hope.

I come here to see how the movement is doing.
And know this the primary goal of every Ron Paul supporter is to stop McCain now.
So if that means supporting Obama in a swing state so be it.

Exactly. I'm glad to see this movement has retained some of the more intellectual confrere.

 

[Kade]

I think Obama has a different interpretation of the constitution than we do....

I can test how accurate yours may be if you wish.... Just because you might have read it a few times, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about... I love how so many here pretend to know.

 

[OhioMichael]

I can test how accurate yours may be if you wish.... Just because you might have read it a few times, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about... I love how so many here pretend to know.

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Well, Obama definitely interprets the "general welfare" clause differently than Dr. Paul does!

 

[SLSteven]

Does he have a solid record of pro-constitutional voting?

He has a solid record of advocating for "change"

 

[SweetMona]

Obama lied!

Obama has told plenty lies. He never taught Constitutional Law even he was not a teacher. At that time, he was a Senior Lecturer "on leave".

Go to www.DontVoteObama.net and swallow the truths.

 

[crazyfingers]

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Well, Obama definitely interprets the "general welfare" clause differently than Dr. Paul does!

Obama thinks that U.S. taxpayers are responsible for the "general welfare" of not just fellow Americans, but all of the world's people. He sure is generous with other people's money.

 

[Kade]

Obama has told plenty lies. He never taught Constitutional Law even he was not a teacher. At that time, he was a Senior Lecturer "on leave".

Go to www.DontVoteObama.net and swallow the truths.

Professor Obama and Me

by Adam B

Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 11:48:20 AM PST

It was 1996, and there I was, in a seminar room with maybe fifteen students, not knowing that I was learning from the man who might be the next President of the United States.

...

Spring quarter of my second year, I took Voting Rights and Election Law as a seminar with Professor Obama. Now, let’s be clear: in a school with a lot of Somebodies – Richard Posner, Frank Easterbrook, Cass Sunstein and David Currie – he was a relative nobody, and even compared with other younger faculty, it was Larry Lessig and Elena Kagan who had more of the hype. But Obama was teaching a course in a subject I wanted to study – at a point when I realized that law school was too short to be spent in classes that felt obligatory – and that made it an easy decision.

And he was ... different. For one thing, better dressed. Sleek sweaters and blazers as opposed to ill-fitting, coffee-stained suits with mismatched ties. But he was also less formal, more relaxed – he never taught the class as though he knew the answers to all the questions he was posing and was just hiding the ball from us until we could find them. Confident, sure, but never cocky.

What’s more, he taught Voting Rights in a different way than others do. He didn’t use a textbook, for starters, but rather had us each purchase an eight-inch high multilith of cases, law review articles and statutes that he had personally compiled. And they weren’t all the "big" cases either – no, our class started by reviewing some early-19th century cases about the denial of the franchise, so that as the course moved forward we saw "voting rights" not as some static thing to be analyzed, but a constantly- and still-evolving process to be affected. Over the course of a few months, we studied changes in the franchise, changes in the rights of political parties, campaign finance law and redistricting, among other topics. We learned the law, but we also learned it on the level of real-world impact: based on a whites-only party primary, how many people would be denied a voice? What kind of policies would result from such a legislature?

(Mind you, he was running for the State Senate at the same time. Honestly, I had no idea. Law school is something of a cocoon, and he never brought his outside life into the classroom.)

Much in the Chicago tradition, he wanted all voices to be heard in the classroom, and when there a viewpoint that wasn’t being expressed or students were too complacent in their liberal views, he’d push the contrary view himself. These classes were conversations.

And the conversations extended outside the classroom. I spent plenty of time in Prof. Obama’s office, talking to him about the paper I was working on. Just the two of us, one on one, with him always provoking me to think deeper, work harder ...

... and keep it real. During my senior year of college, I had written a 100 page honors thesis on racial gerrymandering, mostly focused on the original understanding of what "representation" meant, arguing that to properly understand the Federalist Papers and John Stuart Mill meant that representatives had to each filter the views of their constituents, and that you couldn’t have a process in which the legislature decided which groups were guaranteed seats in Congress, and so therefore, the whole process of guaranteeing "majority-minority districts" in contemporary America was wrong.

Prof. Obama taught me to think about it differently. He made me look at this as a real world issue, and not as a theoretical construct. And in that world, unless some voices are physically present, they won’t be heard at all – and in the real world, legislatures are drawing their own maps to accumulate power, largely for incumbents. In other words, don’t just be principled when everyone else is being pragmatic – fight for your principles with a pragmatic approach.

So, yes, I then spent 20+ pages demolishing what I spent a hundred building just two years before. Why? It reminds me of this courtroom scene between Denzel Washington and the trial judge in Philadelphia:

Judge Garrett: In this courtroom, Mr.Miller, justice is blind to matters of race, creed, color, religion, and sexual orientation.

Joe Miller: With all due respect, your honor, we don't live in this courtroom, do we?


Professor Barack Obama reminded me that whatever my beliefs were, I’d have to find a way to implement them in the real world if I wanted to make change happen. Good lesson. Great professor.

Oh, and I only got a B on the paper.


No, he was a professor. Why do idiots continue this trend of petty tricks and wordplay?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/26/was-obama-a-law-professor.aspx

 

[OptionsTrader]

McCain or Obama. Your choice.

If there was a gun to my head and I was forced to choose between the 2, Obama (it hurts to say that) because perhaps he would start ww4 a little later than McCain, but there isn't and I will have the opportunity, most likely, to write in Paul in Texas.