NYC - Woman locks out squatters in her home, gets arrested for changing the locks

[PAF]

I knew someone who bought a HUD house for a dollar. Had to bring it up to code. He is a carpenter and did a great job. Didn't save the neighborhood, though, because it was hood and still is. My bf and I lived a block over with crack hoes across the street and kids in diapers out at midnight. Lost cause.

So, it sounds like you're in the "rust belt" and I can see there being a lot of abandoned homes. Maybe whole towns. Gary Indiana probably has tons! I think getting involved in taking on any kind of property like is for people in their 20s because it's so much work.

Yep, good ol' rust belt, not long ago one of the few places where one could buy a nice home cheaper than a car lol.

A close friend of mine (who used to post on this forum) bought up a few homes on the very cheap in the Youngstown area, remodeled them and rented them out. It was a decent profit for a while, but he since sold them and kept one just to have. Opportunities are there in the dive areas if one is willing to wait for the rebound, but, that's not for me.

 

[Occam's Banana]

NYC Homeowner ARRESTED For Taking Back House
https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewarrior:2/nyc-homeowner-arrested-for-taking-back:4
{Actual Justice Warrior | 20 March 2024}

In this video I discuss yet another story out of Queens New York where a squatter has stolen a home & the police arrested the homeowner for attempting to take back her property.

 

[Occam's Banana]

[...] Brother, we had a discussion years ago, and I remember you were opposed to the idea of firemen dragging hoses across your property without your permission, even if the fire they were fighting was threatening your own property.

Holy cow, I forgot but now I remember that!

Nothing has changed and I completely stand by that. [...]

But see, that is not being reasonable.

To allow your own home to burn down, because you were not there to give firemen the permission to cross your property to fight the original fire, in your neighbor's house, is more than unreasonable.

That's cutting off your nose to spite...no, that is tearing your whole face off to prove a ideological point that is, at it's core, unreasonable.

The fact that I reside here and did not abandon my home, if it were to burn and affect other property owners, I would be fully liable for damages. [...]

That is a bizarre and roundabout way of expressing property rights and liability. No sane and reasonable polity would ever adopt or apply such a policy.

Instead of expecting the firefighters to let other peoples' homes burn (with you being held liable afterwards for the damage done to others' property, due to your denial of access), they should just do whatever they need to do in order to put the fires out (with them being held liable afterwards for any damage done to your property, due to their refusal of your denial of access) - especially given that any damage done to your property by the firefighters seems likely to be far less than the damage done to others' property by the fire.

As I described to AF when he mentioned this particular hypothetical scenario a month or so ago, the complete and utter craziness of the idea that firefighters ought to just let peoples' homes burn is what happens when the NAP is improperly abused by misapplying it preemptively, rather than properly used by applying it reactively:

I recall an energetic discussion years ago with a dedicated ana-cap who had objections that a fire response might drag hoses across his property to fight a fire in his neighbor's home, even if the circumstances were such that his own home would burn down because of that lack of response.

That is self defeating political autism, usually accompanied by screeching.

LOL

That is a phenomenon with which I am all too familiar. It's a kind of more-libertarian-than thou "macho flashing" (e.g., "why, I am so libertarian that [fill in the blank with some provocatively bizarre and truculent stance regarding some unusual hypothetical scenario]").

I suspect this occurs due to the unfortunate habit many fervent libertarian ideologues have of applying the principles of libertarian theory in general (and the Non-Aggression Principle in particular) in a moralistically preemptive way, rather than in a legalistically reactive way (as should be done instead [1]).



[1] I touched upon the basics of the significance of this distinction in this post from a few years ago - regarding which see footnote [3] in particular. For example, in your "fire response" scenario, the responders should just say "to hell with that!", drag their hoses across his property anyway, put out the fire, and then be held accountable for any damages they caused to his property (plus some token fine or such in any case - because they did, after all, violate his property rights [2], even if they didn't do any damage). The NAP affords people the freedom to be "autistic" idiots - but it should never be autistically (ab)used to let them foist the consequences of their idiocy upon others.

[2] Assuming, of course, that there are no preexisting easements, rights-of-way, or other contractual encumbrances that permit them access to or across his property, even if he doesn't like it.

 

[PAF]

That is a bizarre and roundabout way of expressing property rights and liability. No sane and reasonable polity would ever adopt or apply such a policy.

Instead of expecting the firefighters to let other peoples' homes burn (with you being held liable afterwards for the damage done to others' property, due to your denial of access), they should just do whatever they need to do in order to put the fires out (with them being held liable afterwards for any damage done to your property, due to their refusal of your denial of access) - especially given that any damage done to your property by the firefighters seems likely to be far less than the damage done to others' property by the fire.

As I described to AF when he mentioned this particular hypothetical scenario a month or so ago, the complete and utter craziness of the idea that firefighters ought to just let peoples' homes burn is what happens when the NAP is improperly abused by misapplying it preemptively, rather than properly used by applying it reactively:

It may be bizarre, and not sane and reasonable, but if one is cemented in principle, it is absolutely their right to do so. Of course in a real-life situation of which was inferred, I would be appreciative if said fireman attempted to put out the fire.

But, say I live out in the boonies and have a structure (size doesn't matter). Not too far from others, but not too close either (let's say 3 acres on all sides). A month ago I informed my neighbors what my intentions are. One neighbor doesn't feel comfortable with what I want to do, so I ensure them that I have money to cover any/all very unlikely damages. I invest money into product and spread it over the structure in order to burn it down. My goal is to gather the cinder/ashes and using rented equipment, either bury it or haul it away, all at my expense. While the structure is burning, I walk a couple of acres down to grab a cup of coffee and a smoke, and upon my return, I discover that the uncomfortable neighbor has called the fire department and they put the fire out. Now it is up to me to re-purchase everything, including rental equipment, wait how long for it to dry out, in order to start the process over again.

Being one who lives out in the boonies and doesn't believe in paying for permission from government strangers (permits), who reimburses me? The neighbor (she didn't actually put out the fire, she merely reported it, either out of concern or maybe just conveniently forgot), the fire department (for acting on a report for the sake of concerned neighbor) or me? Should I then go into town and seek the help of government? Pay the fees? Hire attorneys? Leave it up to strangers to decide on my behalf? Aiding in the growth of government?

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1770960297651474750

 

[susano]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1770960297651474750

"The apartment itself had been vacant for three to four months prior. We believe that some squatters took the apartment over and this woman came home to get this apartment set up and walked in on the squatters that were there," Kenny provided, emphasizing the initial complexities of the case.

The luxury apartment, characterized by its direct elevator access into the living space, highlighted the privacy and exclusivity of the residence, juxtaposing the violation that occurred within its walls.

The suspects stole Vitel's Lexus, which was spotted crossing the George Washington Bridge, according to officials. They crashed it in Lower Paxton Township, Pennsylvania.

Local police, upon responding to the incident, did not immediately connect the vehicle to the New York killing because they didn't run the plate, the NYPD says.

If they had, "they would have seen that we had a felony alarm on the car for being stolen and wanted in connection with a homicide," Kenny said.

The pair who crashed the stolen Lexus are believed to be in their 20s. It wasn't immediately clear when the crash happened. They were seen on camera leaving the East 31st Street apartment hours after Vitel was seen walking in.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/manhattan-nypd-nadia-vitel-dead-duffel-bag/5246990/

I wonder how the squatters knew the apartment was vacant. Sounds like someone who worked in the building tipped them off or is one of them.

 

[susano]

Two unidentified individuals were captured on surveillance footage leaving a Manhattan apartment just days before the 52-year-old tenant’s body was found stuffed in a duffel bag in her closet, police sources said Friday.

The pair, described as a black male and a black female both in their 20s, were then spotted getting into the dead woman’s Lexus SUV with New York license plates and driving west on East 31st Street.

Just after 2 p.m. that day, the two unidentified individuals were seen in the complex’s lobby trying to enter the building.

About an hour later, an elevator surveillance camera saw the duo entering Vitel’s apartment.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/15/us-ne...artment-of-woman-found-in-duffel-bag-sources/

No video or pics of the perps with that article. From the comments:

Mr. Henry
15 March, 2024

we don't have a crime problem in america. we have just one problematic group of people who don't seem to know any other way than violence and hate. without those people, america is so much better off. scott adams was so correct. if you can, stay away from them.


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Mutant B
15 March, 2024

I am of that race and I don’t blame you or disagree with your comment, because everything you stated is factual. I am not going to play the victim here , and some in our community are quick to blame other races for the constant criminal acts committed by ppl who look like me. I don’t blame anyone saying stay far away from us , even myself avoid some of us. I hope they catch them soon and throw away the key. Bring back stop and frisk.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The pair who crashed the stolen Lexus are believed to be in their 20s. It wasn't immediately clear when the crash happened. They were seen on camera leaving the East 31st Street apartment hours after Vitel was seen walking in.

You want us to call with any information, so post pictures of the suspects.

The pair, described as a black male and a black female both in their 20s

Oh, never mind.

 

[susano]

More on the TikTok squatter from Venezuela:


In one video aimed at aspiring beggars, he recounts panhandling for money on the highway. In another, he uses his baby, an essential influencer prop — adorning her with a sign to ask for cash. Also in his repertoire: WIC scams and how to get a free phone from the government.

“I don’t like to work. Work is for slaves, kids … Don’t humiliate yourself,” Moreno says in a video.

“I confess that I don’t like to work because it gives me allergies,” he claims in another. “You work, I don’t, but in the end, neither of us have money. They keep criticizing us because I live off of taxes that you pay monthly.”

He has railed against the possibility of TikTok shuttering and, despite many love letters to Joe Biden — whom he calls “mi papa” — Moreno warns that he will mobilize Latino voters away from the candidate if his precious platform is restricted.

Predictably, he’s not a fan of Donald Trump.

Moreno seems to have a knack for seizing on headlines, like the numerous infuriating stories of squatters locking owners out of their own homes.

I’m convinced his real job is simply being a provocateur.

He certainly is skilled at getting our attention and getting under our skin. Since he last month urged his fellow countrymen to unite behind a 15-year-old Venezuelan migrant who allegedly fired at cops and blasted a Times Square tourist in the leg, his TikTok following has swelledbymore than 200,000 followers.

Somehow Moreno manages to embody every trope collectively ascribed to interlopers pouring across the border — a “bad hombre” straight out of central casting.

Venezuelan immigrant Daniel Di Martino, now a fellow at the Manhattan Institute who came to the US in 2016, believes Moreno is a wannabe: a world-class opportunistic “clown” making his mark by antagonizing.

“People will comment, share and quote when they are angry,” Di Martino told me. “He finds whatever will outrage people. He has created the perfect character to be hated. He steals, he teaches people how to become dependent on the government.”

Whether Moreno is a Latino Robin Hood, a skilled comedian or an agent of chaos, Di Martino said, “It’s bad because he’s promoting terrible things.”

Whatever the case, there’s no doubt that the joke is on all of us and our lax policies. The rest of the world is laughing.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/opinion/tiktoks-top-migrant-influencer-makes-a-fool-of-the-us/

 

[Occam's Banana]

Vigilantes Battle NYC Squatters
https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewarrior:2/vigilantes-battle-nyc-squatters:0
{Actual Justice Warrior | 21 March 2024}

In this video I update you on the situation out of NYC where a woman had her home stolen by a squatter & how now vigilantes have been arrested for attempting to intervene.

 

[PAF]

Concerning others from other countries "invading" and/or squatting, it's at the point of silliness now.

It all stops when enough people demand it to stop. It is election season. Call your reps and tell them to stop funding it, what else do you have to lose. For as many people who are supporting Trump or any other republican, one would think that they would get off of their asses.

Seriously, this daily soap opera show is now beyond stupid.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Concerning others from other countries "invading" and/or squatting, it's at the point of silliness now.

It all stops when enough people demand it to stop. It is election season. Call your reps and tell them to stop funding it, what else do you have to lose. For as many people who are supporting Trump or any other republican, one would think that they would get off of their asses.

Seriously, this daily soap opera show is now beyond stupid.

Seriously?

"Well, call your elected officials and demand that they get on the ball!"

Or what?

I'll vote so hard it'll make their head spin?



My federal representatives are two leftist female senators, and a queeer Marxist congresscritter.

Talking to any of them is a waste of all our time.

This clip is from the other day.

If that is not an "invasion", what is it?

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1770887063899865447

 

[sparebulb]

Only a minority of 'murikans are sick and tired of the invasion.

The majority either approve of it or operate at such a distracted/low mental level that they are just as much a burden on society as our "new Americans" will be.

 

[PAF]

Seriously?

I'll vote so hard it'll make their head spin?



My federal representatives are two leftist female senators, and a queeer Marxist congresscritter.

Well, then I hereby revert back to my practicing anarchism/agorism, and I don't want hear any gruff about it. If it's that's bad in New Hampshire, the rest of the country is worse.

See how going-along-to-get-along worked out? I can't win for losing, the non-voter that I am.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...

This clip is from the other day.

If that is not an "invasion", what is it?

I know! I have seen this before. A crowd pushing past police to trespass? It's an insurrection!




(But considering the people involved and the agendas at play, the appropriate terminology is "mostly peaceful protest". Labels are important in Amerika comrade. Use of wrong labels is ungood thought.)

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"The apartment itself had been vacant for three to four months prior. We believe that some squatters took the apartment over and this woman came home to get this apartment set up and walked in on the squatters that were there," Kenny provided, emphasizing the initial complexities of the case.
...

Complexities? Really? This must be a case of adverse possession, so when the woman (former owner) walked in, she was engaging in home invasion, thus the actions of the tenants were justified as they were in fear for their lives. Simple self-defense. Charges dismissed.

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The pair, described as a black male and a black female both in their 20s, were then spotted getting into the dead woman’s Lexus SUV with New York license plates and driving west on East 31st Street.
...

You want us to call with any information, so post pictures of the suspects.

Oh, never mind.

Ah, this is an important detail, comrades. Obviously, this was simply a case of legitimate reparations, paid in the form of an abandoned property. A perfect solution. The home shall be returned to this deserving young couple. Case closed.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

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New Squatters Coming: Invaders Quartered In Our Houses!

What kind of country allows itself to be invaded? A vast majority of what the federal government does, it should not be doing. It’s almost all unconstitutional. But they ignore the constitution and do it anyway. The federal government does have a job that it actually does have to do - protect the border - and it fails miserably at it. Our entire nation suffers as a result. Invaders are now squatters in our houses? That’s the severity of the failure that we’re now experiencing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What kind of country allows itself to be invaded

A people that allow an alien ideology to so thoroughly brainwash and gaslight themselves, that when the invading army crashes through the bulwarks, they are so full of self loathing, self hatred and doubt of their own rectitude, that they are unable to, intellectually or physically, lift a finger in defense of their homes and communities and nations.

 

[PAF]

What kind of country allows itself to be invaded?

A people that allow an alien ideology to so thoroughly brainwash and gaslight themselves, that when the invading army crashes through the bulwarks, they are so full of self loathing, self hatred and doubt of their own rectitude, that they are unable to, intellectually or physically, lift a finger in defense of their homes and communities and nations.

Nevermind the constitution, it is peoples faith, obedience, and/or reliance on the federal government to make all of the decisions for them. What we are experiencing is a mere consequence of that. IMO, it has nothing to do with aliens, "invasions", or "squatters in our homes", but rather peoples complete ignorance or care about how their money is being spent. When money is taken and spent free-for-all, there will be takers from here to kingdom come, from politicians, to NGO's to folks from other lands, including those at home who will take anything and everything that they can.

As far as "squatters" which is now all the rage, by people too stoopid and/or lazy to take responsibility for themselves, it is to incite fear which can/will lead to more draconian government "solutions". I have posted in another thread "What to Know as a Landlord & Laws per State" [Know Your Rights And You Will Win].

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1770960297651474750

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