NYC - The chokehold death of Jordan Neely [VERDICT: Daniel Penny not guilty]

Marine vet Daniel Penny defense fund nears $3M in Jordan Neely chokehold death as DA tips hand on evidence

https://www.insider.com/daniel-penn...rdan-neely-chokehold-defense-donations-2023-8

Laura Italiano Sep 2, 2023, 8:50 AM EDT

Donations – and evidence – are piling up in the subway-chokehold homicide case against Daniel Penny.

Three months after his Manhattan arrest for the disturbing, caught-on-video death of homeless street performer Jordan Neely, nearly $3 million now sits in Penny's legal defense fund.

And more than 365 pieces of evidence – including police and prosecutor notes from interviews with 30 civilian witnesses, and thousands of pages from Neely's police and medical records – have been turned over to the defense, according to an evidence list in Penny's public court file.

"The average campaign is about $3,000," Jacob Wells, co-founder of GiveSendGo, the Christian fundraising platform, said of Penny's defense fund. "So this is 1,000 times the magnitude of what you would see in a normal campaign."

Lawyers say they'll use the cash to fight charges that the Marine veteran was reckless, or at least negligent, in using a fatal chokehold to subdue Neely, who witnesses and prosecutors say had verbally threatened passengers on a Manhattan subway train.

Money left over will cover the cost of any lawsuits, Penny's defense lawyer, Thomas Kenniff, told Insider.

Neely's family members contend – as do prosecutors – that Penny's chokehold was criminally excessive, continuing for more than two minutes after eyewitness video shows Neely stopped moving.

Lawyers for Neely's family did not respond to repeated requests for comment, but have told reporters they will file a wrongful death lawsuit. Whatever money is left over at the conclusion of Penny's civil and criminal cases "will be donated to a charity with a mental-health purpose to it," Kenniff said.

Penny's top donors reflect how boldface-named, ultra-conservatives have rallied to Penny's side, including GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy ($10,000), Kid Rock ($5,000), and right-wing podcaster Tim Poole ($20,000).

But the bulk of donations have been"forty, fifty dollars on average, and there are many thousands of them," said Kenniff. Many call Penny a hero in their donation posts, and invoke the Marine motto, "semper fi," meaning "always faithful."

"To me, that speaks louder than any single donation from someone with notoriety," Kenniff said of the flood of small and anonymous donations. "It speaks to the grass roots support that Danny is getting and how vulnerable and frustrated people are, that someone who steps forward to protect people finds the criminal justice system turned against them.

Meanwhile, throughout the spring and summer, prosecutors have been steadily turning over evidence to his lawyers, some of which may wind up helping Penny's case.

Prosecutors have, to date, interviewed 19 NYPD officers and two-dozen civilian witnesses — half of whom directly witnessed Neely's death, according to the evidence list.

The list does not show the actual interview notes or name those people who were interviewed. But it does show that prosecutors have interviewed one of the two other male subway passengers seen in video helping to restrain Neely during Penny's chokehold.

The man is identified in the record only as "Eyewitness #6."

The evidence list also includes something called "Eyewitness #6 proffer agreement," suggesting that at some point, this witness was at least offered some kind of deal by prosecutors. The potential deal is not described and, to date, no additional arrests have been announced in connection to the fatal chokehold.

A spokesperson for the Manhattan District Attorney's office declined to comment on the ongoing case.

The list offers a glimpse into the case against Penny, 24, who remains free on $100,000 bail.
 
File under:

Reason #203,362,694 to get out of the cities.

They have shown you that you have no right to defend yourself or others. By being determined to do so if ever faced with such a situation, and by living in jurisdictions where it has been made plainly clear that you do not have any such right to self defense, you are living a life of liability. It is not a matter of whether, it is a matter of when.
 
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And the rabid marxists will be whipped into a frenzy by the State media.


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Well, regardless of what happens to Penny, the damage the Marxists wanted to do has been done.

I'm not a "certified" instructor by any means, but I have people all the time, through word of mouth, approach me to get some basic instruction on armed self defense and the legalities of it.

I can no longer in good faith say that you should try and intervene if you can, to prevent harm to innocent people.

Unless it is you, or an immediate loved one, under imminent threat, move along as quickly as you can, see nothing say nothing.

Not your circus, not your monkeys.

Which is, of course, what the Marxists want: to further atomize and isolate you and make you feel utterly alone.

But right now, it's more important to stay out of their GULAGs as much as you possibly can.

https://twitter.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1773535398985121800

 
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All of a sudden they're demanding a stop to the knockout game.

Why?

Because of the victim's background.
 
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He could impersonate the great film star and former child evangelist, Marjoe Gortner.

His subway affair reminds me of Gortner's character in the cinematic all-star classic movie Earthquake.

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What I have yet to see is a complete, unedited video from the moment Daniel Perry laid hands on Jordan Neely to the moment Jordan Neely was pronounced dead. (If it's somewhere in this thread please let me know.) For a self defense claim you need to have a justification for the use of force that you are applying at every point in time you're applying it. If someone comes at you with a knife, you take the knife from him, then you pin him down and stab him to death after someone tells you to stop (a real case I read), you're not going to win on self defense. If you stab him while he's trying to get the knife back, you have a decent self defense claim. I remember in one of these videos a third person was holding Jordon's arms. That's a problem because that kept Jordan from defending his neck. (The third person I remember was black but the photo you're showing shows a white third person which again means I haven't seen the entire video.)

As for evidence being excluded, the basic standard is the judge is supposed to weigh the probative value of the evidence (what you are trying to prove) verses the prejudicial effect. Remember the Kyle Rittenhouse case? The jury wasn't allowed to evidence that Kyle had previously said he'd like to shoot looters. That evidence didn't get to the question of whether or not Kyle was justifiably in fear for his life from someone chasing him down and trying to take a gun from him. In this case, Jordan's psych history isn't relevant to the question of whether Daniel was justified to keep the chokehold on for as long as he did, especially with two (at least) other people there helping to control Jordan's arms. I don't think this was a "lynching" as some dishonest protestors claimed. I think Daniel's best defense is to say he applied that choke countless times in the gym without anybody dying and thought it would be safe and that worst case scenario he'd have to revieve Jordan. It's really going to come down to was his actions at the end of Jordan's life reasonable. There is no doubht that he had a right to do something.
 
There is no doubt that he had a right to do something.

Given the current state of affairs, I think that is what the NYC prosecutors are trying to disprove.

I remember the Bernie Goetz case, and that is just what Morganthau tried to argue, under NY law, unless there is both a reasonable and subjective perception of immediate harm to you, as an individual, you have no right to use force of any kind, deadly or not.

Thankfully the jury rejected that argument and acquitted of the most serious charges.
 
Given the current state of affairs, I think that is what the NYC prosecutors are trying to disprove.

I remember the Bernie Goetz case, and that is just what Morganthau tried to argue, under NY law, unless there is both a reasonable and subjective perception of immediate harm to you, as an individual, you have no right to use force of any kind, deadly or not.

Thankfully the jury rejected that argument and acquitted of the most serious charges.

I remember Bernard Goetz too. Three black teens approached him asking agressively pan handling. One had a screwdriver. He interepreted it as a mugging. (Maybe he was right. Maybe he wasn't. Doesn't matter). He shot (3?) of them. One ended up in a wheelchair. His case all he had to prove is that his initial action was justified because there wasn't a follow up. The Benard Goetz incident was over in what...15 seconds? According to Rener Gracie, Daniel Perry had Jordan Neely in a choke hold for 15 minutes.



I'm pretty sure I've posted ^that video before. That's why I keep saying I want to see the whole video. Was Jordan Neely really in that hold for 15 minutes? That seems odd. The reason why I believe the George Floyd case came out the way it did isn't because it was unreasonable for Derek Chauvin to ever put Floyd on his stomach with his knee on his kneck and/or back but that he kept his knee on there for minutes after Floyd didn't have a pulse. The New York DA can lose the fight over whether Daniel Perry initially had the right to use force, even deadly force, and still win if Daniel kept using what turned out to be deadly force after it was no longer justified.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about.



The man with the gun shot the man who pushed him to the ground after the initial agressor started backing away once he saw the gun. The shooter ended up convicted of manslaughter. I really need to see the whole 15 minute video of this case.
 
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