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[otherone]

I lived it. I know the history. Not a “Trumpers” , Commie. See how that works? Asshole.

Yup. Me too. I heard this interview live on NJ101.5


On May 15, 2020, then-President
Donald Trump called into New Jersey radio host Bill Spadea's show on NJ 101.5 to advocate for reopening businesses during the COVID-19 pandemic.



Trump's remarks on the economy

• Trump spent a significant portion of the call pushing for states to lift coronavirus-related restrictions and get the economy moving again.
• The call occurred as New Jersey, led by Democratic Governor Phil Murphy, was just beginning to ease restrictions that had been in place since mid-March.
• In the interview, Trump expressed his desire to see businesses open around the country.

 

[Invisible Man]

Yup. Me too. I heard this interview live on NJ101.5


On May 15, 2020, then-President
Donald Trump called into New Jersey radio host Bill Spadea's show on NJ 101.5 to advocate for reopening businesses during the COVID-19 pandemic.



Trump's remarks on the economy

• Trump spent a significant portion of the call pushing for states to lift coronavirus-related restrictions and get the economy moving again.
• The call occurred as New Jersey, led by Democratic Governor Phil Murphy, was just beginning to ease restrictions that had been in place since mid-March.
• In the interview, Trump expressed his desire to see businesses open around the country.

May 15?! That's 2 months after the Trump lockdowns started.

So much for 15 days to slow the spread. That proves my point.

Governor Kemp opened Georgia 3 weeks before that and Trump heavily criticized him for that.

There wouldn't have been any closures in any states at all without the support of the federal government, which came by order of Trump. The entire plan to close businesses was crafted at the federal level by Trump's administration, and only executed at the state level, but with federal support that made it possible and incentivized it.

 

[acptulsa]

Governor Kemp opened Georgia 3 weeks before that and Trump heavily criticized him for that.

That's the beauty of the way Trump does politics. Did he or didn't he?

"President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence both called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Tuesday night and expressed support and praise for the Republican’s move to reopen businesses in his state starting Friday, a source familiar with the call said. Trump later said the opposite – that he told Kemp he disagreed “strongly” with the decision.

"The call came as public health officials warned that Kemp is moving too quickly, some business owners said they would keep their doors closed and mayors said they feared Kemp’s action would deepen the coronavirus crisis in their communities.

"Trump and Pence complimented Kemp on his performance as Georgia governor, the source said. Another person familiar with the call said it went well.

"But the President said during Wednesday’s news conference that he told Kemp he disagreed “strongly” with the governor’s decision to reopen some businesses in his state.

“I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia,” Trump said."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/trump-pence-georgia-governor-brian-kemp/index.html

I approve of what you're doing because I want some Republican to criticize for doing it.

 

[otherone]

May 15?! That's 2 months after the Trump lockdowns started.

So much for 15 days to slow the spread. That proves my point.

Governor Kemp opened Georgia 3 weeks before that and Trump heavily criticized him for that.

There wouldn't have been any closures in any states at all without the support of the federal government, which came by order of Trump. The entire plan to close businesses was crafted at the federal level by Trump's administration, and only executed at the state level, but with federal support that made it possible and incentivized it.

Beginning in March 2020 and throughout the rest of his term,
Donald Trump repeatedly and publicly called for an end to COVID-19 lockdowns and other restrictions imposed at the state and local levels. He frequently framed the lockdowns as a greater threat to the country than the virus itself, especially to the economy.



Early 2020

• March 22: On Twitter, Trump stated, "WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF," signaling his first major public objection to the stringent lockdown measures and economic shutdowns.
• March 24: He stated his desire for the country to be "opened up, and just raring to go by Easter" (April 12) during a Fox News interview.
• March 25: During a press briefing, Trump emphasized the need for a swift return, saying, "The faster we go back, the better it's going to be".

Mid-to-late 2020

• April 12: Trump asserted his "total" authority over reopening the economy, though he would later defer the decision to governors.
• April 16: He unveiled new federal guidelines for states to begin reopening in phases, urging governors to lift restrictions where coronavirus transmission was low.
• April 28: He encouraged states to consider reopening schools before the end of the school year.
• May 26: As the U.S. death toll neared 100,000, Trump continued to pressure governors to reopen their economies, adopting a "transition to greatness" campaign slogan.
• July 7: Trump and his administration held a national dialogue to push for the safe reopening of schools in the fall.
• August 3: At a White House briefing, he reiterated that a "permanent lockdown is not a viable path forward" and would "inflict more harm than it would prevent". He also urged states to open schools, tweeting "OPEN THE SCHOOLS!!!".
• September 16: In a White House press briefing, Trump directly told governors, "Open up your states. . . . it's unfair to your people to keep them closed at this stage".
• November 13: After the election, Trump declared that his administration would not be going into a lockdown, a stance he had maintained throughout the pandemic.

January 2021

• January 18: Just before leaving office, Trump issued a proclamation to lift COVID-19 travel restrictions on non-citizens coming from Europe and Brazil, which was quickly opposed by the incoming Biden administration.

 

[acptulsa]

“I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia,” Trump said.

April 21, 2020.

You're both right. Trump has been talking out of both sides of his mouth since 2015.

 

[jmdrake]

So he is a fascist for taking Fauci’s and Birx’s advice and coming up with recommendations or “guidelines”. OK.

He's a fascist for making the "recomendation" that the U.S. military should use U.S. cities as "training grounds" and anybody who is okay with that is also a fascist.

 

[Invisible Man]

Beginning in March 2020 and throughout the rest of his term,
Donald Trump repeatedly and publicly called for an end to COVID-19 lockdowns and other restrictions imposed at the state and local levels.

Beginning in March of 2020, and continuing well beyond that, they were Trump's lockdowns!

The US Government COVID 19 Response Plan, which all of the lockdowns were done in pursuant to, was a creation of the Trump administration. He gave the governors the plan to follow, the funding to implement the plan, the definitions of which businesses were essential and which were not, the bailouts without which they would have been completely impossible, and the closures that occurred at the federal level itself.

What do you think? That 49 out of the 50 states all implemented cookie cutter lockdown plans at the exact same time purely by coincidence?

If Trump wanted to end them, he could have ended them at any time. He could have never started them in the first place. He could have completely neutered them and rendered them impossible. He could have instructed his department of labor to put out statements that for each and every kind of business there is, they are essential businesses. He could have not given the states the federal funding that paid for their school closures. He could have said from the get-go there won't be federal bailout money, so if any of you states want to shut down your businesses, you're on your own. He could have done all of that without violating any states rights just by taking a hands off approach at the federal level.

Yeah, you can find all kinds of examples of him talking out both sides of his mouth. But at the end of the day, we endured one of the worst periods of tyranny the US has seen in any of our lifetimes, and, while there's plenty of blame to go around to a lot of people, governors included, Trump bears more of that blame than any other single person. You want to cherry pick Trump quotes? Pick the ones in the 2020 presidential campaign where he bragged about saving millions of lives by shutting down the nation's economy when conservatives told him not to do it.

 

[Invisible Man]

So he is a fascist for taking Fauci’s and Birx’s advice and coming up with recommendations or “guidelines”. OK.

I don't understand how anyone on this website could ask this question.

Yes! Those recommendations and guidelines resulted in shutting down businesses all over the country. That makes him a fascist. Beyond any question.

 

[otherone]

If Trump wanted to end them, he could have ended them at any time.

Like I heard a billion times at the time, "Tenth Amendment, Bro."

Obviously he fucked up at the beginning. They all did. Handing Fauci a microphone was asinine.
But none of it was about Covid, or the country. It was about politics. The longer the lockdowns, the worse Trumps approval dropped. Trump knew it, so did the Blue governors. He tried to save his ass with the lethal "operation warp speed", but between the covid mismanagement and mail-in ballots, he was done.

 

[Danke]

I don't understand how anyone on this website could ask this question.

Yes! Those recommendations and guidelines resulted in shutting down businesses all over the country. That makes him a fascist. Beyond any question.

I have a house in SD, nothing was shutdown. Sioux Falls did a little of that, but a lot of liberals there. I also have a house in MN. Night and day. MN has commie Gov. Tim Walz who was running the show during COVID.

I traveled all over the USA and some other countries during COVID. I flew the last passenger aircraft out of Beijing in Feb. 2020. That city was already a ghost town. I also later flew cargo to Melbourne, again, ghost town.

 

[jmdrake]

I have a house in SD, nothing was shutdown. Sioux Falls did a little of that, but a lot of liberals there. I also have a house in MN. Night and day. MN has commie Gov. Tim Walz who was running the show during COVID.

I'm curious. Do you give Dr. Fauci the same "I was just making recommendations" pass that you give Trump?

 

[Danke]

I'm curious. Do you give Dr. Fauci the same "I was just making recommendations" pass that you give Trump?

I don’t give either a pass. I think Fauci is evil. I can’t really say much about Trump’s motives, he was talking about Hydroxychloroquine at first as a treatment. I’d like to think he was ignorant and later followed bad advice.

 

[nikcers]

I give federalism a pass because its not fascism which is a dictatorship. Federalism isn't perfect and you can elect bad leaders but you can change them too.

We changed our governor because of the way he handled the pandemic. You can't do that under fascism.

 

[Danke]

acptulsa said:
“I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia,” Trump said.

April 21, 2020.

You're both right. Trump has been talking out of both sides of his mouth since 2015.

What a weak fascist! “Strongly disagreeing?” He should have sent in the troops immediately!

 

[acptulsa]

What a weak fascist! “Strongly disagreeing?” He should have sent in the troops immediately!

Don't know if you've noticed, but Trump 47 is stepping up that game compared to Trump 45.

 

[Danke]

Don't know if you've noticed, but Trump 47 is stepping up that game compared to Trump 45.

Yes, let’s change the discussion.

When someone brings up Hitler’s atrocities, I’ll be sure to let them know he was a World War I hero.

Let’s start a thread where we criticize things we don’t like about Tom Massie or Rand Paul. Was Ron Paul perfect?

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, let’s change the discussion.

Why not? Trump's already a hijack of this thread. Just because he was born in Queens doesn't mean he's directly related to the current mayoral race.

Like the way I avoided asking how Trump 47 is a different subject from Trump 45? Like how I didn't agitate you by pointing out that the WWI hero paperhanger apologist comment was more analogous to you than me?

 

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