NWO..... deal or no deal?

[Hiki]

The Bildergberg group.

Well they do exist. What about them?

 

[BCR_9er]

He did? Well why the hell didn't he warn everybody from it.

He did warn us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Hk1-BpXO8

 

[Flash]

Yes that is called progressing, developing the system. Naturally with a system like this you will have people coming up with new directions for it, whether the directions are good then that's a different story. But no there is no fucking conspiracy.

So you think its just a big coincidence that all of a sudden all European leaders began working together to unite Europe politically around the same time? Most European countrys didn't even offer the people in those nations a vote on whether to join the EU or not, since it was originally under the guise as a trade agreement. What exactly is your definition of a conspiracy?

I don't think the EU works at the moment

It'll never work since each nation is too culturally different from the other. You can't combine all European ancient ethnicitys into one continental superstate. And to make matters worse the EU keeps allowing Middle Eastern immigrants into the Continent, which will end in disaster.

 

[Imperial]

So you think its just a big coincidence that all of a sudden all European leaders began working together to unite Europe politically around the same time? Most European countrys didn't even offer the people in those nations a vote on whether to join the EU or not, since it was originally under the guise as a trade agreement. What exactly is your definition of a conspiracy?

The Founding Fathers, a very small group of merchants and planters who formed the elite of the nation themselves, had no authorization to make the Constitution, only to reform the Articles of Confederation. They made a whole new system of government. However, was it a conspiracy? No. It was a few people who wanted to ensure something like Shay's Rebellion wouldn't happen again, and that the federal government was not inept. They ended up making a whole new document, which upset many, but most didn't plan out what they did.

True, they took things into their own hands without the people, but it was an incidental ocurrence, where for the majority it was spontaneous.

Remember, the EU already had been tried a few-times over. The European Community is even referenced in Ron Paul's The Case For Gold. It was a trade agreement. However, of course certain people want to expand the power of an organization to allow more control in other realms of political life. It is basic human nature to strive for power and have ambition; the key is to understand how we must use that nature. Most of the establishment, unfortunately, do not understand that.

 

[Dr.3D]

A conspiracy is all in the eye of the beholder.

However, was it a conspiracy? No. It was a few people who wanted to ensure something like Shay's Rebellion wouldn't happen again, and that the federal government was not inept. They ended up making a whole new document, which upset many, but most didn't plan out what they did.

A conspiracy by one persons viewpoint may be something other than a conspiracy by another persons viewpoint. If you were to have asked the king of England, he more than likely would have called it a conspiracy.

 

[Flash]

The Founding Fathers, a very small group of merchants and planters who formed the elite of the nation themselves, had no authorization to make the Constitution, only to reform the Articles of Confederation.

They weren't a few nobodys, they were bigtime Freemasons.

However, was it a conspiracy? No.

These European leaders will erase Europe as we know it.It'll become a huge Middle Eastern-majority continent. These "founding fathers" of the new Europe are bigtime corrupt politicians. The people obviously don't want their national identity to be erased. When America was being founded the people wanted the Founding Fathers as leaders. These politicains in Europe though will sell Europe out in a second for their own goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-k0Gc3RTM

 

[Dr.3D]

Ron Paul described the idea of a North American Union this way:

"it's not so much a secretive conspiracy it's a contest between ideologies."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y30k3nkk54
@1:30

 

[Truth Warrior]

The Founding Fathers, a very small group of merchants and planters who formed the elite of the nation themselves, had no authorization to make the Constitution, only to reform the Articles of Confederation. They made a whole new system of government. However, was it a conspiracy? No. It was a few people who wanted to ensure something like Shay's Rebellion wouldn't happen again, and that the federal government was not inept. They ended up making a whole new document, which upset many, but most didn't plan out what they did.

True, they took things into their own hands without the people, but it was an incidental ocurrence, where for the majority it was spontaneous.

Remember, the EU already had been tried a few-times over. The European Community is even referenced in Ron Paul's The Case For Gold. It was a trade agreement. However, of course certain people want to expand the power of an organization to allow more control in other realms of political life. It is basic human nature to strive for power and have ambition; the key is to understand how we must use that nature. Most of the establishment, unfortunately, do not understand that.

The Federalist cabal's Constitution sure looks like a conspiracy based coup to me. Done in secret, behind closed doors, never submitted to the state legislatures nor "We The People" for ratification. What do you require, a written, signed and notarized set of confessions?

Index to the Antifederalist Papers
http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm

 

[Imperial]

The Federalist cabal's Constitution sure looks like a conspiracy based coup to me.

While the Founding Fathers had no authorization to make a new governing document, most of the group did not intend to "coup" the government. Rather, they saw the necessity to form a new precedental document. Only a few really went in with a goal in mind to change to a new government entirely, and they never enjoyed broad support. With the liberty-oriented delegates in mind, the Constitution itself was a rather excellent document. The problem was that some Federalists, not all, naturally left loopholes that were easily exploitable. But that doesn't equal conspiracy. That is just a few politicians with malign intent.

A conspiracy by one persons viewpoint may be something other than a conspiracy by another persons viewpoint. If you were to have asked the king of England, he more than likely would have called it a conspiracy.

The revolution was just that. There was no over-arching conspiracy though. But I do understand your point. I too would think the NWO is a conspiracy, in that certain interests will work together to achieve different goals as they are necessary. But a long-term plan that weaves all interests together? I don't think that is truly feasible. Like I have said before, I think it is an incidental NWO, that comes together from a globalist viewpoint of the world. Politicians will always misinterpret things in the world depending on their perspective. We must try to sift out the details to determine the truth, which may itself be highly indefinable.

These European leaders will erase Europe as we know it.It'll become a huge Middle Eastern-majority continent. These "founding fathers" of the new Europe are bigtime corrupt politicians. The people obviously don't want their national identity to be erased. When America was being founded the people wanted the Founding Fathers as leaders. These politicains in Europe though will sell Europe out in a second for their own goals.

The Founding Father's were wrong like the Republicans in the 1890s with the "Gold Bugs" wronged the Bryanites. They did the right thing, but without the consent of the masses. The people didn't know what was going on. Not all of the nation's leaders consented either, most notably Samuel Adams and Patrick Henry. European leaders are similarly chosen, and while not all probably back the EU, those that do are able to construe the will of the people to whatever end necessary. Does that equal conspiracy? Perhaps an incidental one, in that the people are misled and more liberal in general. However, I don't think it reaches the level of a cabal bent on a globalistic order behind the scenes. The difference between the EU and the Founding Fathers is that one had the right idea, the other didn't.

 

[Conza88]

What do you mean by the global elite? Who are you referring to?

Is there a political and financial elite in the world? Much like, are there poor people?

Tell me, the military industrial complex; does it exist?
Yes.

You're a conspiracy theorist then And if you disagree, why?

So all you nay sayers; the media blackout never happened?
It did.

Ok, now we are getting some where, although very slowly.

So why did it happen? Who caused it and what is their motive?

What usually happens after World Wars?
Many things, most notably peace?

Silly billy, no - an increase in collectivism one the world stage, via collective security as a means of making sure there are no more wars amongst states/nations. League of nations after the first world war, the United Nations after the second world war... Only really one step left, after the next one

 

[Conza88]

Step 9. The New World Order
Historic Interview with Aaron Russo
North American Union & VChip Truth
Endgame
Esoteric Agenda

Just watch the first clip...

Can you please call Aaron Russo a liar then? Because at the moment; you are.

 

[Hiki]

Is there a political and financial elite in the world? Much like, are there poor people?

Again, what do you mean by the elite? Yes of course there are poor people.

You're a conspiracy theorist then And if you disagree, why?

How exactly does recognizing the Military-industrial-complex make me a conspiracy theorist?

Ok, now we are getting some where, although very slowly.

So why did it happen? Who caused it and what is their motive?

Well no idea, your media sucks there so it's no miracle that they (especially FOX) were licking McCain's ass all the time and ignoring Ron. I'm sure Ron wasn't the only one.

Silly billy, no - an increase in collectivism one the world stage, via collective security as a means of making sure there are no more wars amongst states/nations. League of nations after the first world war, the United Nations after the second world war... Only really one step left, after the next one

Well it depends on your point of view, I'm sure that many people see the aftermath of the World Wars differently, your mindset sees "collectivism" and a relation to NWO. Yes the LON and UN were formed to prevent further World Wars (or wars in general) from taking place. The LON failed and so far the UN has prevented a World War, can't see anything negative about them.

 

[Truth Warrior]

"A picture is often worth a thousand words."

 

[BCR_9er]

Again, what do you mean by the elite?

Again, the elite are the bliderberg group are the global elite who are trying to setup up the one world government. It consists of leaders around the world, politicians from both parties of congress, etc. And they secretly meet about once a year. How complicated can it get?

Watch endgame to learn more about the bilderberg group.

I'm done trying to convince the intentionally ingnorant.

 

[Hiki]

Again, the elite are the bliderberg group are the global elite who are trying to setup up the one world government. It consists of leaders around the world, politicians from both parties of congress, etc. And they secretly meet about once a year. How complicated can it get?

Watch endgame to learn more about the bilderberg group.

I'm done trying to convince the intentionally ingnorant.

Well I'm deeply sorry for asking to specify the global elite, you never know for sure.

Yes I know the Bilderberg meetings, cant really see anything else disturbing about them besides the secrecy, but then again that's the point of it?

 

[Conza88]

Again, what do you mean by the elite? Yes of course there are poor people.

Whats the opposite of poor and unpowerful?

How exactly does recognizing the Military-industrial-complex make me a conspiracy theorist?

In terms of MSM, talking about it makes you a conspiracy theorist. Welcome aboard.

Well no idea, your media sucks there so it's no miracle that they (especially FOX) were licking McCain's ass all the time and ignoring Ron. I'm sure Ron wasn't the only one.

Not my media. The fact that you obviously don't reside in the states; and thus have more than likely failed to feel / notice / comprehend / WITNESS the blackout - reveals why you remain in ignorance. Join Date: Jan 2008 = SPEAKS wonders.

Well it depends on your point of view, I'm sure that many people see the aftermath of the World Wars differently, your mindset sees "collectivism" and a relation to NWO. Yes the LON and UN were formed to prevent further World Wars (or wars in general) from taking place. The LON failed and so far the UN has prevented a World War, can't see anything negative about them.

My point of view is related to facts. Yes, thanks for confirming the reason these organizations where formed. As their PREDECESSORS failed to achieve their goal, SO WILL THE UN. Lmao - so by your logic; the reason there hasn't been another terrorist attack on the United States is because of George Bush's admin? And thus you can't see anything negative about the War on Terror? ahahha. FAIL.

 

[Hiki]

Whats the opposite of poor and unpowerful?

Are you asking for the sake of asking?

In terms of MSM, talking about it makes you a conspiracy theorist. Welcome aboard.

Wow, it's worst than I expected.

Not my media. The fact that you obviously don't reside in the states; and thus have more than likely failed to feel / notice / comprehend / WITNESS the blackout - reveals why you remain in ignorance. Join Date: Jan 2008 = SPEAKS wonders.

Well they mentioned Ron Paul only twice in my media, once when they presented all the candidates and then there was one article which portrayed him as "the Black Horse of the republican party". So I do kinda understand.

My point of view is related to facts. Yes, thanks for confirming the reason these organizations where formed. As their PREDECESSORS failed to achieve their goal, SO WILL THE UN. Lmao - so by your logic; the reason there hasn't been another terrorist attack on the United States is because of George Bush's admin? And thus you can't see anything negative about the War on Terror? ahahha. FAIL.

Well sure it is. Yes, nothing is perfect. The UN could fail too I know, in the end they dont really have much authoritarian powers but to send angry letters and peacekeepers. But so far, they've prevented a world war and I'm grateful for that and hope they can maintain that.
Perhaps Bush's little crusade has worked and perhaps not, but it's pretty much a different story than the UN.

 

[BCR_9er]

Yes I know the Bilderberg meetings, cant really see anything else disturbing about them besides the secrecy, but then again that's the point of it?

The meetings consist of world leaders, royalty, politicians (both parties), etc. It's not disturbing that these people are constantly meeting in secret?

 

[Hiki]

The meetings consist of world leaders, royalty, politicians (both parties), etc. It's not disturbing that these people are constantly meeting in secret?

Well it is and it isn't, cause that's pretty much the whole idea of the whole thing that they can speak freely. Cant really say this or that about it.

 

[Mach]

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