NV State Senator Bob Beers at Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup

[speciallyblend]

good question

If they forced a mail in vote could the RP people abstain and the vote not have the necessary people to meet Quorum?

'm not sure,can someone answer this?

 

[speciallyblend]

i asked this earlier last week

Does anyone know if delegates who did NOT attend the original convention will be able to vote in the mail in?

I assume they could. The GOP is just going to mail stuff to all those LDS people so as to stop the Paul people.

Of course if they hold a convention the LDS people won't show up so they can't do that of course...because Paul would win that.

i was told only the people who showed to reno can vote

 

[mudburn]

I see some potential problems of a varied nature.

1. Reconvene. The problem here is that it is expensive for the delegates (forget about the party). And, reconvening will only work if a quorum is present. So, if the McCainiacs don't show, you wasted money for nothing, and the whole process of stagnation continues.

2. Mail-in voting. You can't tell if everyone receives the same ballots or instructions and it is too easily rigged.

3. Does mail-in violate the rules? If so, would this allow for a rump convention that doesn't require quorum? If they break the rules (not just Robert's rules about recessing, but the GOP rules), does that invalidate their process and allow for a rump?

The main problem will be establishing quorum. If the PTB can figure out they don't need to reconvene to select delegates (executive decision or legislature as Beers indicated they are discussing), even if it's not legal (they have the power to force their will), then they won't want to reconvene. The best 'face-saving' approach here is to schedule a time and place for reconvening the convention but prevent quorum. Then, they can claim, we tried, but it didn't work, so we're selecting delegates our own way.

There needs to be found a way to legitimately reconvene and finish the process without a quorum. What's required for a rump? What are the options? The RP people need to be ready to jump on the opportunity as soon as it's available. All options need to be explored and everyone be ready for decisive action at the opportune moment.

dp

 

[speciallyblend]

yep

I see some potential problems of a varied nature.

1. Reconvene. The problem here is that it is expensive for the delegates (forget about the party). And, reconvening will only work if a quorum is present. So, if the McCainiacs don't show, you wasted money for nothing, and the whole process of stagnation continues.

2. Mail-in voting. You can't tell if everyone receives the same ballots or instructions and it is too easily rigged.

3. Does mail-in violate the rules? If so, would this allow for a rump convention that doesn't require quorum? If they break the rules (not just Robert's rules about recessing, but the GOP rules), does that invalidate their process and allow for a rump?

The main problem will be establishing quorum. If the PTB can figure out they don't need to reconvene to select delegates (executive decision or legislature as Beers indicated they are discussing), even if it's not legal (they have the power to force their will), then they won't want to reconvene. The best 'face-saving' approach here is to schedule a time and place for reconvening the convention but prevent quorum. Then, they can claim, we tried, but it didn't work, so we're selecting delegates our own way.

There needs to be found a way to legitimately reconvene and finish the process without a quorum. What's required for a rump? What are the options? The RP people need to be ready to jump on the opportunity as soon as it's available. All options need to be explored and everyone be ready for decisive action at the opportune moment.

dp

but didnt they already violate the rules by suspending the convention without a vote?? any delay by the nvgop is a scam and they are up for some more corruption of the process , treat the nvgop like mccain, DO NOT TRUST ONE WORD OUT OF THERE LYINGS MOUTHS. WE should legally be able to rump already,they never had a vote on the recess from what i heard , nvgop aka bob beers already violated the rules from what i understand

 

[Mahkato]

I heard one possible reason for the reconvene was so they could host it in a room with cell phone scrambling (such as casinos have to prevent cheating) so that Ron Paul supporters couldn't use mass text messaging as part of their strategy.

 

[hillertexas]

i was told only the people who showed to reno can vote

we need this in writing

 

[speciallyblend]

someone posted the by-laws on a thread somewhere in forums

we need this in writing

pretty sure its in the gop by-laws for nevada.... but who needs rules when your a currupt nvgop

 

[speciallyblend]

NVGOP is full of crap,they are delaying and trying to muck the rules,just vote on the delegates and get it over with,but no they delay and make excuses until they can find away to corrupt the rules . They keep pulling this crap and they will lose 1/4 to 1/3 of their own base. until they have the actual delegate vote that was suspended in reno,its all a bunch of lies and bs...

 

[TruthAtLast]

I know the McCain people think that the delegates should be distributed based on the popular vote (great for them since they will get Romney's delegates) but doesn't this invalidate the entire precinct and county delegate process. What's the POINT in having delegate selection at the local and county level if NONE of it matters at the convention?

I was also thinking that if they tried to reconvene and there was no quorum because McCain people stayed home, what would have happened at the previous meeting if none of the McCain delegates showed up? Would there be no Nevada Convention. There has got to be a way around this.

Did anyone ask why Beers illegally recessed the convention without a motion to second and a vote by the majority. He had NO authority to do so. Technically isn't the meeting still going right now?

Also, if we decided to hold a rump convention wouldn't we also run into the same problem of reconvening without a quorum?

The mail-in vote is illegal and there is a great potential for rigging it but would there be any way it could work? If there was McCain and Ron Paul leaders present when the ballots were mailed or faxed out, and there were representatives of both groups there as they came back in (with signatures on each ballot from the delegates) could we be a little more sure of a fair count (at least as sure as them counting behind closed doors at a convention). You could even have a copy of a drivers license on the ballot to insure it was the right person.

Or, what about a call in vote on speaker phone from all delegates with leaders from both groups there to tally in real-time. I'm sure there are verbal verifications that can be done to insure it was a valid person calling. And if there were any dupes, we can just contact those people again and get their vote (again on speakerphone) for all to hear.

 

[slamhead]

Get the word out to all delagates. Meet in a public park. Bring a megaphone and have a rump convention. Lets get this thing done. There reasons are all smoke and mirrors to nullify RP supporters.

 

[MozoVote]

Paulites should write THIS ELECTION IS INVALID! RECONVENE THE CONVENTION! on every mail in ballot.

Imagine if *that* was the majority vote.

 

[Ninja Homer]

I know the McCain people think that the delegates should be distributed based on the popular vote (great for them since they will get Romney's delegates) but doesn't this invalidate the entire precinct and county delegate process. What's the POINT in having delegate selection at the local and county level if NONE of it matters at the convention?

I was also thinking that if they tried to reconvene and there was no quorum because McCain people stayed home, what would have happened at the previous meeting if none of the McCain delegates showed up? Would there be no Nevada Convention. There has got to be a way around this.

Did anyone ask why Beers illegally recessed the convention without a motion to second and a vote by the majority. He had NO authority to do so. Technically isn't the meeting still going right now?

Also, if we decided to hold a rump convention wouldn't we also run into the same problem of reconvening without a quorum?

The mail-in vote is illegal and there is a great potential for rigging it but would there be any way it could work? If there was McCain and Ron Paul leaders present when the ballots were mailed or faxed out, and there were representatives of both groups there as they came back in (with signatures on each ballot from the delegates) could we be a little more sure of a fair count (at least as sure as them counting behind closed doors at a convention). You could even have a copy of a drivers license on the ballot to insure it was the right person.

Or, what about a call in vote on speaker phone from all delegates with leaders from both groups there to tally in real-time. I'm sure there are verbal verifications that can be done to insure it was a valid person calling. And if there were any dupes, we can just contact those people again and get their vote (again on speakerphone) for all to hear.

Some of your questions are answered in the video. They are all up here:
http://www.stickam.com/viewMovieGallery.do?uId=175225555

It looks like the first 4 are up on youtube, and they are a little better quality:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qf3ddnYMbBE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zq9XirZifnc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ePGJU9ui2Vc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LMifl4AH8mY

So, better quality on YouTube, but to see all of it you have to use the stickam.com link.

 

[Badger Paul]

A rump convention has to be a nuclear option because I do not want a credentials committee at the national GOP convention full of McCaniacs to decide our fate. We should settle for nothing less than a majority of the delegation. Period. No mail-in ballots, nothing. Either re-convene and finish the damn thing or look like fools trying to prevent Ron Paul from winning delegates.

 

[pepperpete1]

So what was the end result of the meeting?

I have dial up and videos are not an option.

 

[ItsTime]

bob beers is a really bad liar

 

[Voodoo]

So what was the end result of the meeting?

I have dial up and videos are not an option.

You will be sodomized this year but stick around and you can sodomize someone else in 10 years.

 

[deadserious]

They need to be reminded that the room was available at no extra cost and THEY chose not to continue. How many delegates had planes to catch at 5 pm?

Wrong. The room was available for 3 more hours that evening at a cost. Was not free.

 

[MozoVote]

Some more points raised in the videos, which I missed last night:

The Vegas meetup is trying to raise pledges, in case a legal challenge is necessary.

The "$10,000 list" is larger than the credentialed delegate list - it is those people nominated from county - So it could be a time consuming task to find the real delegates who are on the credentials report from convention.

Beers says he does not have the list, because "It is party tradition that the chair not attend pre-convention meetings" - He said he asked for the list and the credentials committee would not release it to him... b/c there are delegates who attended, who do not want "Ron Paul People" to know their names and addresses.

The debate about the quality of voting, centers around the possibility of people caucusing in the wrong district. The convention badges did not identify delegates by district. But there isn't any *evidence* cited yet of a problem. (One of the counters said all the ballots in her district had been initialed. If there are illegal votes then they should be easy to find.)

Beers said he's not sure how the delegates would be determined if the convention does not re-convene. It might be the RNC, it might be the state executive committee.

He said that never in recent history has a Nevada state convention needed longer than 2 days (Friday and Saturday). {I think this is a telling statement. The party is accustomed to getting through business quickly without dissent.}

Beers said that it was not *his* objective to break the quorum, but admitted that it could have been the McCain camp's... and that it's an "allowable convention tactic". This is a real money quote. Go to video#4 at the 4:10 to 4:30 mark!

He made an interesting assertion, that he intended to come back and tell everyone that they would attempt to re-convene on another day, but "Mike Weber was up there" so he chose not to interrupt Mike's attempts to re-start the convention.

 

[pepperpete1]

Thanks

Wrong. The room was available for 3 more hours that evening at a cost. Was not free.

Thanks for the heads up on the convention room.

 

[humanic]

Beers said that it was not *his* objective to break the quorum, but admitted that it could have been the McCain camp's... and that it's an "allowable convention tactic". This is a real money quote. Go to video#4 at the 4:10 to 4:30 mark!

He made an interesting assertion, that he intended to come back and tell everyone that they would attempt to re-convene on another day, but "Mike Weber was up there" so he chose not to interrupt Mike's attempts to re-start the convention.

Here's his exact quote if anyone wants it:

"I don't believe that [Sue/Drew/Rue?] and I were trying to break the quorum. It may well have been the McCain camp that was trying to break the quorum. That is-- that is, umm, as admissible under the rules as, say, getting the rules changed in the morning session. That's allowable convention tactic."

Only thing I'm not sure about is the name. I'm guessing he said "Sue" as in Sue Lowden, but it sounds more like "Rue" or "Drew."