NV State Senator Bob Beers at Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup

[JustBcuz]

+1

Beers was the one who presided over the CD votes.... now he's saying they weren't held properly?

Actually I think it's Sue Lowden who's saying the vote was 'irregular.'

Beers is just going along.

 

[wgadget]

Beers explaining that conventions are run by volunteers, it's expensive, most of the people have 10 years or more of experience, that it's thankless work. I guess trying to gather some sympathy....

Wow, that guy better watch it...He's sounding pretty podunk right about now.

 

[IPSecure]

Would Not Mail-In Also Imply 'Mail Fraud'?

Mail in = cheat like crazy and nobody will ever know. I am sure that is what will happen. They made it very clear they will do anything to exclude Ron Paul people no matter how many rules they have to break.

Would Not Mail-In Also Imply 'Mail Fraud'?

http://www.teakelllaw.com/CM/Custom/mail-fraud-wire-transfer-fraud.html

MAIL FRAUD

Fraudulent misrepresentations and schemes to defraud which use the United States mail to further that fraudulent conduct, can be prosecuted as “mail fraud.”

The United States Attorney’s Office will seek an Indictment (a charging document formally charging the person with a crime) for mail fraud when the prosecution believes it has evidence of any fraud scheme that uses the mail systems to make that fraud scheme function.

There is no specific requirement for the type of fraudulent scheme that has to be alleged by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, only that there is some kind of fraud or misrepresentation wherein the U.S. mails or commercial carriers are used to mail an item related to the scheme, such as a check, a contract, an application for credit, property valuations, etc.

Originally, the mail fraud statute required some type of use of the U.S. mail; now, the statute requires the use of either the U.S. mail or any mail carrier in an attempt to carry out the fraud.

The United States Code contains federal crimes that are prosecuted by the Department of Justice or its field offices, the United States Attorney’s Offices, in respective districts in the different states. Title 18, United States Code, Section 1341, is titled Frauds and Swindles, and it is commonly referred to as the “mail fraud” statute. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 1341 reads as follows (in summary):
MAIL FRAUD DEFINITION AND PUNISHMENT

Whoever

1) having devised, or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud,
or
2) for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan…
3) something of value or some item…and
4) places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter
5) any item to be delivered by interstate carrier

shall be fined …or imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.

 

[wgadget]

If they invalidate the initial vote, then Beers and the NVGOP are basically admitting they don't know how to run an orderly convention.... or are crooked. Take your pick.

Yep, podunk-ville again, Mr. Beers. You should be hanging your head by now.

 

[MozoVote]

What stumps me about all this is how the party leadership thinks this helps them in the long run. It makes the current generation that much tougher and determined, and the next generation is taught "not to trust the bastards".

That's why revolutions happen. Eventually it becomes common knowledge that the government is a fat pack of lies and it crumbles from within. Romania. Ukraine. Ireland. Etc Etc

 

[Join The Paul Side]

To a fair degree, we have our answer though. Beers is not there to cut deals or apologize for anything. He has his side of the story to explain, and he is trying to persuade the Ron Paul contingent to accept an inexpensive conclusion (mail-in) to the convention.

If they are worried about money to rent a place for the convention, kindly inform them that we are known to be pretty crafty at raising funds. I'm sure the Revolution will have no troubles putting togeather a chipin to help pay for the convention as long as it is a fair one.

 

[Alawn]

There WILL be fraud if there is a mail vote but it will be impossible to prove and the authorities will refuse to investigate it.

 

[Dave39168]

How could the party leaders decide to do a mail in ballot anyway? Something like that shouldn't be an executive decision. The delegates of the convention would have to vote and pass something like that. Since the delegates decided to run the candidates from the floor, that is the will of the delegates and is how business must be conducted. This is BS, don't accept anything less than reconvening and continuing the convention properly. If its too costly to reconvene, then Beers should have thought of that before he called a damn recess because he couldn't pay his sound techs anymore. If you call a recess it means you will reconvene. When he announced the recess at the convention did he not state that they would reconvene? They did not adjourn (which would have required a vote from the delegates) They just recessed!

The party leaders will probably decide to reconvene...... on September 6th 2008.

 

[MozoVote]

Anyone want to venture a guess as to the future participation rate of McCain delegates in the mail-in vote? 99.99%?

 

[pepperpete1]

Voting fraud would be hard enough to prove, let alone mail fraud.

Enough of this already. Put in a challenge to the RNC now. They were inept at holding the convention and they lost. Period. They need to be reminded that the room was available at no extra cost and THEY chose not to continue. How many delegates had planes to catch at 5 pm?
Certainly not enough to justify the expense of a reconvening of the convention and what type of delegate is moronic enough to not allow for run-over time? Geez.

 

[wgadget]

What a bunch of fools.

 

[MozoVote]

This is BS, don't accept anything less than reconvening and continuing the convention properly. If its too costly to reconvene, then Beers should have thought of that before he called a damn recess because he couldn't pay his sound techs anymore.

How much money did the party spend to have an option on the use of the convention hall on Sunday morning? OMFG.

If people left Saturday afternoon "because they had planes to catch" then boo hoo hoo maybe they were not that committed to the party, and the RON PAUL people are the REAL Republicans willing to put principle ahead of convenience. Ya know??

Ugh! Whatta load of horsehockey.

 

[MozoVote]

Lesson learned.

I think we can be GUARANTEED that if a chairman at another convention tries this "recess" gambit, any RP Forumers in that convention will stand up and call for "orders of the day" since the recess was not voted on, and have the convention resume.

And oh yeah, bring a few flashlights, and a bullhorn just in case you need them.

 

[pepperpete1]

Lesson learned.

I think we can be GUARANTEED that if a chairman at another convention tries this "recess" gambit, any RP Forumers in that convention will stand up and call for "orders of the day" since the recess was not voted on, and have the convention resume.

And oh yeah, bring a few flashlights, and a bullhorn just in case you need them.

You may want to put guards at the doors also. (Maybe some nice policeman)

 

[wowabunga]

This is a fascinating development.
He should know by know, that he's being vilified *nationally* in e-mails and the blogsphere,

Hell this news story needs to go a lot further than web blogs and the internet. This farce has got me so wound up that I whipped up a 2 page news paper covering this story and the next day handed it out at the Missouri State Capitol to all the rally activists I bumped into.... handed out some 100+ copies.

At 10am a 2nd Amendment Rally was in full swing in the rotunda, and at noon the Biker's Rights Rally folks arrived parking their Harleys smack dab right on the walkway right next to the capitol steps ( they must know someone high up )

Am working on a update to this little grass roots news paper ( have named it the WEDGE REPORT... in honor of anyone who gets between what is good for America and what is good for you and me ). A huge burly biker loved the name and graphics... wants me to do one about a local politician who rubs them the wrong way. My activist efforts on Tuesday landed me a invitation to the Biker's convention this month to drink beer and talk legislation. More info to come on the updated pdf flier...

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

You may want to put guards at the doors also. (Maybe some nice policeman)

How about these guys?

 

[Voodoo]

Meh. I tried to get as much as I could out there. I would be very gracious calling the network spotty - a better phrase would be just north of non-existant.

Sounds like you all got the gist of it, though:

-- You will be anally sodomized this year.
-- Stick around and you can do that to someone else in ten years.

 

[wowabunga]

Security ? Here's several dozen new pals I met down at the Missouri State Capitol this week. They don't like to be rubbed the wrong way by slick politicians when it comes to their rights. Am told they can "mobilize" considerable numbers when the cause is right.

Also while doing lunch with them ( hey why not ) I was schooled in some of the finer points of what to and what not to say to a biker. For instance the word "Rally" when used by bikers ( is not about holding campaign signage ) rather it means a back woods weekend full of fun and frolic you won't soon forget.

 

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

The Final Word

Nevada...did we win?

 

[Ninja Homer]

This should be obvious to all of you intelligent Ron Paul supporters: Nevada Ron Paul supporters have Bob Beers by the short hairs.

There are only 3 reasons I can think of that Bob Beers would even consider speaking to a Ron Paul meetup group:
1. To save face with them, and try to get their support after a sudden realization that he did them wrong , and needs their support to further his political career. If this were the case, at the very least a semi-apology would have been offered.
2. He thinks Ron Paul supporters are stupid, and thinks that he's so charismatic that he can feed them his bullshit, change their minds, and either get them to support McCain or agree to some crappy method of selecting delegates that he can have complete control of (and manipulate easily).
3. He got the word from up high that he really screwed up in his effort to thwart the Ron Paul Revolution, and it never ever should have received the national attention that it got. He got the word that he had to fix the problem and get McCain the Nevada delegates. He's grasping at straws trying to find a way to save the ass of his neocon political career.

From the little I've heard so far, it sounds like some variation of #3. Nevada RP supporters need to take it slow (keeping any possible deadlines in mind), and realize that EVERYTHING is in their favor. You had the votes at the convention. You have the numbers if it reconvenes. You have the support of other RP supporters world wide if you need anything done, including money for lawyers.

Personally, I find what's happening in Nevada very encouraging. Most of us are new to the inner workings of the GOP delegate process. It seems with every state process, we are getting better at it. The RP Revolution continues to grow, and I think it is now beyond the point of no return... hopefully it comes to an end peacefully.