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That sucks. I like Silver. Tends to be spot on.
NV CAUCUS-GOERS: Please post your observations / live results in this thread!
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How in the world does Ron Paul have 1500 people show up in RENO for his speech and only collects 1100 votes in Washoe county? You can combine Washoe, Carson, and a bunch of counties to exceed the 1500 who showed.
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"THEY" (the establishment who has a HUGE financial and power grab stake) doesn't only want to discourage people from voting for Ron Paul but "THEY" also want to discourage us from supporting him financially. We've been a power house for fund raising and the more they can discourage us and take our hopes away the less we'll give and the less they will have to come up with to counter what we give.
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1% is pretty 'spot on' particularly when you remember those who go in unsure to a caucus have time, and arguments made, to change their minds from the entrance polls. I absolutely am sure his MATH is correct, but that doesn't mean the entrance polls were. Undecideds decide.
Still, given that, I'm expecting a very close third, but not 1000 votes behind. But letting that sit in the public view, of course, will mean it is the number people remember
people are saying Gingrich didn't have organization, but his billionaire backer ABSOLUTELY did and was plugged into the system hugely. It would be like saying someone backed by the Daleys in Chicago ten years ago 'had no organization in Chicago'.
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My guess is that people came from out of state and/or Clark county to see Paul. That sort of thing has been happening in every state Paul's visited so far.
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That's interesting. I'd say that finishing that close to Newt is basically the same as beating him.
Reno is a border city. People come from far and wide to see paul. Remember, voters do not equal supporters and supporters do not equal votes.
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(I posted this in a thread that I think got erased)
I had more than a few conversations with folks at the caucus yesterday, and although we won in my precinct (a total of only 20 people showed), many of the older generation that I talked to were begrudgingly voting for Mitt, the reason....They believe "He is the only one who can beat Obama".
Most of them watch Fox news and go on regurgitating the inane nonsense about Ron Paul not being electable. So, I tried an experiment and made it a point to talk to older people only, just to see what they were thinking, without them feeling defensive about their candidate of choice. The way I approached talking with people was very non confrontational and friendly, casually standing around talking about the nice day, and other various random topics that all human being can relate to. The subject would eventually turn to the caucus and candidates. I always let the person I was talking to take it in that direction. What it seemed like they were doing was, looking for validation in their choice, hoping I'd agree with them. I couldn't give them that, but when I would even suggest they give Ron Paul's message a chance, they would get a sour look on their face and turn from friendly to aloof instantly, not all of them, but most of them did this exact thing.
These kind of people are really hard to talk to, they believe 100% of the crap Fox news tells them. These folks grew up during a time when their local news was actually somewhat credible though, so it's still really a powerful influence in their decision making. I truly believe in my heart that the media is the only reason these otherwise nice, respectful, intelligent, folks became so indignant when an alternate option is offered.
If I hear one more Mitt supporter say " I'm voting for Mitt because he can beat Obama, and ALL WE NEED TO DO IS BEAT OBAMA", I may lose my mind, because this is so untrue!!!! Mitt is almost the same!!!
So even though I agree that there may be fraud, I think the media has a LOT of people brainwashed into think Ron Paul simply can't win and Mitt is the only choice to beat Obama. I think the media manipulation is the main reason these caucus results are not what we hoped for. The masses are simply not paying enough attention.
I had more than a few conversations with folks at the caucus yesterday, and although we won in my precinct (a total of only 20 people showed), many of the older generation that I talked to were begrudgingly voting for Mitt, the reason....They believe "He is the only one who can beat Obama".
Most of them watch Fox news and go on regurgitating the inane nonsense about Ron Paul not being electable. So, I tried an experiment and made it a point to talk to older people only, just to see what they were thinking, without them feeling defensive about their candidate of choice. The way I approached talking with people was very non confrontational and friendly, casually standing around talking about the nice day, and other various random topics that all human being can relate to. The subject would eventually turn to the caucus and candidates. I always let the person I was talking to take it in that direction. What it seemed like they were doing was, looking for validation in their choice, hoping I'd agree with them. I couldn't give them that, but when I would even suggest they give Ron Paul's message a chance, they would get a sour look on their face and turn from friendly to aloof instantly, not all of them, but most of them did this exact thing.
These kind of people are really hard to talk to, they believe 100% of the crap Fox news tells them. These folks grew up during a time when their local news was actually somewhat credible though, so it's still really a powerful influence in their decision making. I truly believe in my heart that the media is the only reason these otherwise nice, respectful, intelligent, folks became so indignant when an alternate option is offered.
If I hear one more Mitt supporter say " I'm voting for Mitt because he can beat Obama, and ALL WE NEED TO DO IS BEAT OBAMA", I may lose my mind, because this is so untrue!!!! Mitt is almost the same!!!
So even though I agree that there may be fraud, I think the media has a LOT of people brainwashed into think Ron Paul simply can't win and Mitt is the only choice to beat Obama. I think the media manipulation is the main reason these caucus results are not what we hoped for. The masses are simply not paying enough attention.
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Also bear in mind how many times we have seen online polls get fudged, when we clearly won hands down only to hear that a candidate that Ron Paul beat was declared the winner. Or we could go back to CPAC convention when Fox played the footage from last year. Juat last night I heard a commentator on Fox say that all except for Ron Paul fairs pretty well in a head to head against Obama. Then in the weeks leading up to Iowa how many times did we hear that if Ron Paul wins Iowa it would discredit the Republican party and the Iowa primary? They were saying that because Ron Paul was polling #1 yet he mysteriously came in third. Or we can even go back to 07 and just the week before we raised $6.5 million in one day just a month after raising $4.3 million in one day while Ron Paul was polling a close 2nd or 3rd before New Hampshire and they excluded ONLY him from the debate saying that he didn't have enough support.
No. Nor will they ever. And, everyone will quietly go back to sleep as another RP rip off slides into the record books.
Imagine that there was any evidence that the Super Bowl was fixed. The beer-swillers would riot in the streets.
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I thought this was funny
Well, in defense of CNN, they did the same thing in Paul's favor for a bit last night as well.
When Paul was up by a couple dozen votes, they showed him being a full percent higher than Gingrich, which wasn't the case.
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Oh. I shouldn't suggest that it's a conspiracy, just that there is something wrong with their algorithm.
I imagine they are just now getting started. They were there LATE last night and it's now only 10am sunday morning there.
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Thanks, and you're spot on re: super bowl being fixed and the reaction we'd see.
Good to see you, hope all is well with you and yours.
MsD
Well you can laugh all you want but then that means you round both up and you get 101% total,then something is wrong with the algorithm as well. Ron was down third in vote count so it makes sense to round down but round up for second place that is the only logical way of showing 100% if one isn't showing decimal points.
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Aaargh! Just woke up and came to see what was going on. WTF? I have no confidence in this process anymore. The lid needs to be blown off this.......
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