NRO comes out guns blazing "Against Trump", RNC disinvites them from Houston debate for it

[The Rebel Poet]

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Except they didn't try the one thing that might have actually worked. You know the thing that they did so well with Ron: just ignoring him. Funny how they suddenly decided that's a terrible idea, yet they are still doing it to Rand. The one thing that works the best they didn't even try. Someone should write them letters explaining their oversite.

Only ignoring Trump wouldn't have worked, because he had the mega money to buy himself attention if necessary (whereas Ron and Rand did not have the cash to fight a media snub). Ignoring Trump would have also have been a credibility loser from the start---you think the major media could have ignored covering a NYC billionaire announcing he was running? Or ignored him as a news maker when he confronted CNN/MSNBC/FOX staff on their own networks? Or ignored a billionaire when he wouldn't rule out running third party? And so on.

Why do you people say this? Who on this thread has defended the GOP or suggested it needs to stay as is? I hate the GOP as much as you, but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Trump is dangerous for America, and trying to destroying the GOP this way WILL NOT WORK. All that will happen is Romney 2020 when the establishment says "See, we told you that outsiders and radicals are a bad idea, we let you have your temper tantrum, now come back, sit down, and be quiet."

Only they are not coming back, as already demonstrated by the last two elections, where lots of liberty and conservative voters stayed home, rather than vote for the milquetoast hack. The Republican con that they represent true opposition to the total state has been wearing off, since 2008. Yes, wrecking the GOP insider coronation system would be a good thing. To repeat myself: The current primary race racket and media "coverage" is fixed top to bottom to install approved insider puppets, with the voting giving the anointed frontrunners a fig leaf of legitimacy. It's that racket that the outsider trend is wrecking, so we can start over. So an unpredictable future is better than a rigged present.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The main thing holding this forum and the liberty movement back is the allegiance to the republican party.

Working through the GOP to advance libertarianism is the worst strategy, except for all the others.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

People on this forum shit on the libertarian party because "it won't work". People on this forum tell you not to support Matt Bevin because "it won't work".

And I agree with you, that's defeatest and conterproductive.

We've been at this for nearly 10 years and haven't accomplished shit.

That's not even remotely true. We have moved the overton window so far that being anti-war in the republican party is considered a thing again. We've moved it so far that both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are parroting our lines to get voters, and Rand Paul (elected as a Republican) ended large portions of the Patriot Act with his philibuster. We have also taken over a large number of official positions in the RNC at all levels. To deny those real gains is no less defeatest or counterproductive than to deny third parties.

Here on this very topic giving the neocons a taste of their own medicine is now considered a bad thing.

There is no alegance to that God-damned (litterally) old party on this forum at all. Hating fascist Trump is not somehow allegance to the two party system, that is a strawman. The problem here is a fundamental disagreement over what Trump is accomplishing. A few of you think he is antiestablishmemnt and is hurting the GOPE, the rest of us don't see it that way, not because of some blind partisan allegance, but because of the way we understand and interpret the facts of the situation. You can agree or disagree with my points, but you haven't yet demonstrated that you understood my point at all.

Let me be clear: giving the establishment a candidate that wants to increase domestic survalance, bomb the mid east and take the oil for profit, increase taxes, continue and/or expand socialized medicine, etc. is not giving them a taste of what they've done to us. It is giving us more of what they want for us. You don't dismantle the establishment by supporting the establishment, and Trump is so establishment that he is even more establishment-friendly than Goldman Cruz.

This whole support-Trump-to-hurt-the-establishment thing reminds me of the Abbot and Costello Routine Two Tens for a Five. In it Abbot offers Costello to make change - two tens for a five - When Costello realizes that he's been had, he tries to get his money back by asking a guy that walks by "Hey buddy, can I get some change? Here's two tens, give me a five." When the money is changed he triumphantly crows "HA HA! He did it to me, and..." but as his face turns down he mournfully finishes "...and you did it to me too."

The main thing holding this forum and the liberty movement back is the allegiance to the republican party.

I agree with this some what. Long term, we need a goal of destroying the Republican party altogether, how we get from here to there in the short term remains a disagreement, but long term that is my goal. One idea I have to give a 3rd party candidate more leverage is this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-Libertarian-Coalition&p=4946098#post4946098