NRO comes out guns blazing "Against Trump", RNC disinvites them from Houston debate for it

[The Rebel Poet]

Nothing wrong with voting for Rand, writing him in, whatever.

Just know that the vast majority of people are too stupid to want to do so.

With that said, if a guy like Trump is going to come along in the meantime and knock over the entire applecart...

Well, just be happy that someone is creating the conditions that may actually enable a Rand Paul Presidency in the future.

Trump is in no way knocking over the apple cart. He is the apple cart.

 

[Petar]

Oh I get that, my question was were you falling for said modus operandi yourself or are you a willing part of it. I'd bank on the former given the picture of Snowden on your profile, but I suppose it could be either.

Say what you want, but I'm not the one who happens to be siding with the neocons at the moment...

 

[Petar]

Trump is in no way knocking over the apple cart. He is the apple cart.

Yeah, that just is not true. The "applecart" is the media establishment playing the role of the "cool kids at school" and deciding who will be popular and who will get elected based on how well they can toe the line that is provided for them. Trump may be completely lacking in any sort of real conservative principles, but the one thing that he is not doing is complying with what the media requires of him. Sorry folks, but the best thing that we can actually hope for at the moment is a reality TV clown gone off the reservation who is going to destroy the whole shit-show based on his own narcissistic megalomania. Call it "classic Americana" if it makes you feel any better.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Trump is about Trump.

That's the truth.

Trump is not coordinating intimately with the master plan of the weirdo NAZI crime families that control everything. For them, Trump is just an unfortunate side-effect of some semblance of freedom that still happens to exist in the USA.

Sure, if you ignore the fact that Trumps actual positions are textbook fascist/neocon policies, he braggs about buying and selling government officials, he got a call from long-time friend Bill fucking Clinton (pun intended) just before he announced, the media has been propping up his campaign by giving him wall to wall coverage, the establishment has done litterally nothing to try to stop him and is now trying to take out his top rival, and when the NR came out against him, the RNC officially punnished them. If you ignore all those things then there is no evidence of Trump being establishment.

He's a reality TV clown/billionaire gone off the reservation, and he is running the whole carefully coordinated PR campaign that keeps the duopoly intact.

FIFY

 

[Petar]

I mean why do you all think that the real neocons hate him so much? It's really very simple. The real neocons are stooges of a handful of global NAZI crime-families. Trump is primarily interested in himself and his own goals. His megalomania is going to ruin everything for them, and that is a good thing.

 

[Petar]

Sure, if you ignore the fact that Trumps actual positions are textbook fascist/neocon policies, he got a call from long-time friend Bill fucking Clinton (pun intended) just before he announced, the media has been propping up his campaign by giving him wall to wall coverage, the establishment has done litterally nothing to try to stop him and is now trying to take out his top rival, and when the NR came out against him, the RNC officially punnished them. If you ignore all those things then there is no evidence of Trump being establishment.

Trump's celebrity has effectively hijacked the media, and they had done everything that they could to destroy him until now. I think Trump's fascism exists in passive sense. I think that there is a big difference between being unprincipled and pragmatic, and being someone who is 100% focused on acting as a stooge for the global cabal of NAZI crime families. Unfortunately, the prior seems to be the best that we are going to be able to get at the moment.

 

[Petar]

FIFY

Sorry, but totally ruining the GOP brand is not "keeping the duopoly intact".

Go write for the Weekly Standard if you really believe that the GOP is something that needs to be maintained as-is at this point.

 

[CaptUSA]

He's a reality TV clown/billionaire gone off the reservation, and he is ruining the whole carefully coordinated PR campaign that keeps the duopoly intact.

Ah, you see that's where you're being fooled. Trump isn't "ruining" anything. He is 100% part of that coordinated PR campaign. Hence his billions (maybe trillions, by now?) of dollars worth of free advertising day and night on every news outlet.

Oh yeah... But we're supposed to think Trump is some genius outsmarting the media... Open your eyes, man!

 

[CaptUSA]

I mean why do you all think that the real neocons hate him so much? It's really very simple. The real neocons are stooges of a handful of global NAZI crime-families. Trump is primarily interested in himself and his own goals. His megalomania is going to ruin everything for them, and that is a good thing.

Sorry. Bullshit.

He is just as much a part of the establishment as they are. The difference is that he was always on the side of the table that buys off the politicians. The real threat to them is not that the government loses power, but that the uber-rich finally cut out the middlemen. Trump will use the power of government to give out as many favors as he can - it's just that the certain politicians won't have a say in who those favors go to. In most cases, they will go to the same corporations that the DNC has been helping for decades.

 

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, that just is not true. The "applecart" is the media establishment playing the role of the "cool kids at school" and deciding who will be popular and who will get elected based on how well they can toe the line that is provided for them. Trump may be completely lacking in any sort of real conservative principles, but the one thing that he is not doing is complying with what the media requires of him. Sorry folks, but the best thing that we can actually hope for at the moment is a reality TV clown gone off the reservation who is going to destroy the whole shit-show based on his own narcissistic megalomania. Call it "classic Americana" if it makes you feel any better.

Do you seriously believe this?! This is a delusion. Trump and the media are working together pretty damned effectively. He is not "off the reservation"! He's building a damned casino on it!

 

[Lucille]

Oops.

National Review risks non-profit status
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/01/national-review-risks-non-profit-status.html

Justin Raimondo observes that Rich Lowry appears to have committed a serious legal blunder, as well as the obvious political one, with the "Stop Trump" issue:
[...]
'm sorry, I have no cogent analysis to offer; I'm not even sure what the article said. I found it hard to pay attention after cracking up when I got to the part about "the intellectual integrity of the conservative movement."

That's a good one!

All well and good: there are plenty of reasons for principled conservatives (and libertarians) to oppose Trump. However, there’s one big problem with this well-publicized blast at The Donald.

In March of last year, Politico reported that National Review was becoming a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, which would enable it to solicit tax-deductible donations: “Since its launch, the magazine has operated as a not-for-profit business, even as it came to rely on more and more donations in recent years. Starting next month, it will become a nonprofit organization, which will make it exempt from federal taxes. National Review also plans to merge with the nonprofit National Review Institute, its sister organization, according to a source with knowledge of the plans.”
[...]
This anti-Trump issue of National Review is, in effect, a campaign pamphlet directed against a political candidate—indeed, the cover proclaims “Against Trump”—and, as such, is in clear violation of IRS statutes regulating nonprofit organizations.

The regulations are quite explicit that nonprofit organizations must “not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

The IRS web site informs us that “The regulations further provide that activities that constitute participation or intervention in a political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to a candidate include, but are not limited to, the publication or distribution of written statements or the making of oral statements on behalf of or in opposition to such a candidate.”

 

[Lucille]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/go-justin/

Congratulations to Justin Raimondo for noting that the ancient evil National Review violated the rules for a 501(c)3. Of course, to neocons, the rules are just for the rest of us.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/national-review-may-just-committed-suicide/

National Review has received so many subscription cancellations, hate mails, and angry phone calls in response to its front cover attack on Trump by a gaggle of neocon chickenhawks that the publisher felt compelled to issue an emergency letter of apology of sorts. Are real conservatives are finally catching on to the fact that they’ve been neo-conned by a very tiny group of self-professed “former” Trotskyites?

 

[Krugminator2]

I mean why do you all think that the real neocons hate him so much? It's really very simple. The real neocons are stooges of a handful of global NAZI crime-families. Trump is primarily interested in himself and his own goals. His megalomania is going to ruin everything for them, and that is a good thing.

Basing views off of who hates someone is not libertarianism, it is contrarianism. It is how people like Lew Rockwell operate and is a terrible way to make decisions. It is completely brain-dead.

Also, you aren't even right on the facts. Donald Trump is the establishment choice if Rubio and Christie fail. There is a reason Bob Dole, Orrin Hatch, etc all prefer Trump and it isn't because he upsetting the apple cart. Trump isn't just the establishment choice, he is OVERWHELMINGLY the establishment choice over Cruz.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/ted-cruz-senate-revolt/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-prefers-president-trump-to-president-cruz/

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Basing views off of who hates someone is not libertarianism, it is contrarianism. It is how people like Lew Rockwell operate and is a terrible way to make decisions. It is completely brain-dead.

Yup

 

[Petar]

Basing views off of who hates someone is not libertarianism, it is contrarianism. It is how people like Lew Rockwell operate and is a terrible way to make decisions. It is completely brain-dead.

Also, you aren't even right on the facts. Donald Trump is the establishment choice if Rubio and Christie fail. There is a reason Bob Dole, Orrin Hatch, etc all prefer Trump and it isn't because he upsetting the apple cart. Trump isn't just the establishment choice, he is OVERWHELMINGLY the establishment choice over Cruz.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/ted-cruz-senate-revolt/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-prefers-president-trump-to-president-cruz/

It's actually just an observation of reality.

Trump is a disaster for TPTB, and the simple reason for that is because he cannot be controlled the way that the average politician necessarily is.

Cruz may have been an even bigger disaster, and of course Rand would have been virtually the biggest disaster imaginable, but that is neither here nor there.

I'm happy that Jeb! et al have failed, I'm happy that the GOP is going to be destroyed, and I'm happy that the Democrats are next.

Also, I really look forward to Rand antagonizing the hell out of President Hair from the Senate floor.

Good times ahead.

 

[fr33]

If Trump wins the nomination, the GOP suffers. That's a good thing. What sucks is how people here have been conditioned to want to protect the GOP. We could have focused our energy on a 3rd party for the last 10 years. We certainly wouldn't be any worse off.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Sorry, but totally ruining the GOP brand is not "keeping the duopoly intact".

Go write for the Weekly Standard if you really believe that the GOP is something that needs to be maintained as-is at this point.

If Trump wins the nomination, the GOP suffers. That's a good thing. What sucks is how people here have been conditioned to want to protect the GOP. We could have focused our energy on a 3rd party for the last 10 years. We certainly wouldn't be any worse off.

Why do you people say this? Who on this thread has defended the GOP or suggested it needs to stay as is? I hate the GOP as much as you, but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Trum is dangerous for America, and trying to destroying the GOP this way WILL NOT WORK. All that will happen is Romney 2020 when the establishment says "See, we told you that outsiders and radicals are a bad idea, we let you have your temper tantrum, now come back, sit down, and be quiet."

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Basing views off of who hates someone is not libertarianism, it is contrarianism. It is how people like Lew Rockwell operate and is a terrible way to make decisions. It is completely brain-dead.

Also, you aren't even right on the facts. Donald Trump is the establishment choice if Rubio and Christie fail. There is a reason Bob Dole, Orrin Hatch, etc all prefer Trump and it isn't because he upsetting the apple cart. Trump isn't just the establishment choice, he is OVERWHELMINGLY the establishment choice over Cruz.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/ted-cruz-senate-revolt/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-prefers-president-trump-to-president-cruz/

You're really confused dude. Lindsay Graham is as anti-establishment as they come, and HE's ok with Trump. Compare that to neocon establishment hacks like Ron "never met a war he didn't like" Paul.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Trump's celebrity has effectively hijacked the media, and they had done everything that they could to destroy him until now.

Except they didn't try the one thing that might have actually worked. You know the thing that they did so well with Ron: just ignoring him. Funny how they suddenly decided that's a terrible idea, yet they are still doing it to Rand. The one thing that works the best they didn't even try. Someone should write them letters explaining their oversite.

 

[fr33]

Why do you people say this? Who on this thread has defended the GOP or suggested it needs to stay as is? I hate the GOP as much as you, but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Trum is dangerous for America, and trying to destroying the GOP this way WILL NOT WORK. All that will happen is Romney 2020 when the establishment says "See, we told you that outsiders and radicals are a bad idea, we let you have your temper tantrum, now come back, sit down, and be quiet."

People on this forum shit on the libertarian party because "it won't work". People on this forum tell you not to support Matt Bevin because "it won't work". We've been at this for nearly 10 years and haven't accomplished shit. Here on this very topic giving the neocons a taste of their own medicine is now considered a bad thing. The main thing holding this forum and the liberty movement back is the allegiance to the republican party.