NRA Head Wayne LaPierre Doesn’t Want You To Know: He Agrees With Obama On Guns

NRA Head Wayne LaPierre Doesn’t Want You To Know He Agrees With Obama On Guns

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/15/nra-lapierre-obama-guns/


N.R.A. doesn't want to lose members to GOA?

The title of this thread is misleading. Wayne LaPierre never said he agreed with Obama on guns; he said the focus should be on people rather than guns. WE already know the road that the administration and the anti-gun zealots will take (limit mag capacity, background checks for private sales, and limit access.) The NRA doesn't want any part of that.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) has confirmed that they willingly cut a deal with Congress at the expense of free speech that says: We will not stand in the way of the proposed Disclose Act, believed to infringe upon First Amendment rights, if you do not infringe on our Second Amendment rights.​


NRA Trades First Amendment Rights for Second Amendment Rights

Raven Clabough | The New American
Thursday, 17 June 2010


Gun Owners of America > NRA
http://www.gunowners.org/

The NRA isn't a First Amendment group; they are a Second Amendment group. If you want someone to defend your First Amendment rights, join the ACLU. If you want someone to defend your Second Amendment rights, join the NRA. The NRA is most effective when they do exactly what their mission statement lays out and stay out of other political issues.
 
The NRA isn't a First Amendment group; they are a Second Amendment group. If you want someone to defend your First Amendment rights, join the ACLU. If you want someone to defend your Second Amendment rights, join the NRA. The NRA is most effective when they do exactly what their mission statement lays out and stay out of other political issues.

Sacrificing the First Amendment for the Second Amendment is not acceptable.
 
Sacrificing the First Amendment for the Second Amendment is not acceptable.

The NRA is not concerned with the First Amendment. They are the premier Second Amendment group and that is their sole focus.
 
Sacrificing the First Amendment for the Second Amendment is not acceptable.

+1000

I did not renew my NRA membership after that move. I'm a GOA member now. The NRA is getting more ridiculous.
 
I also prefer the GOA over the NRA but also agree with the NRA being a strictly second amendment rather than first amendment group
but I will also say larry pratt is the man
 
The GOA speaks for me.

The NRA is a group that sometimes represents positions that I agree with. Less and less as time goes by.
 
Sacrificing the First Amendment for the Second Amendment is not acceptable.

I did not renew my NRA membership after that move. I'm a GOA member now. The NRA is getting more ridiculous.

The GOA speaks for me.
The NRA is a group that sometimes represents positions that I agree with. Less and less as time goes by.

Agreed. GOA>NRA

I let my NRA membership expire and I joined the GOA, along with the JPFO.

- ML
 
This is why I never support one-issue organizations. NRA is a prime example of a horrible one issued group only focused on guns: they back statist Democrats and Republicans.
 
The NRA is not concerned with the First Amendment. They are the premier Second Amendment group and that is their sole focus.

The NRA deducted a grade letter from Dr. Paul's rating because he voted NO on a federal restriction preventing people from suing gun manufacturers. How is that a pro-2nd amendment position? Last I checked the 2nd amendment doesn't protect gun manufacturers right to not be sued.
 
The NRA deducted a grade letter from Dr. Paul's rating because he voted NO on a federal restriction preventing people from suing gun manufacturers.

As well they should have.

How is that a pro-2nd amendment position?

Because those frivolous law suits do nothing but create a hostile environment for honest gun makers.

Last I checked the 2nd amendment doesn't protect gun manufacturers right to not be sued.

It certainly doesn't. It also doesn't strictly protect ordnance, but most of us agree that it is implied. Thankfully Congress passed the PLCAA to protect honest business from a stream of claims meant only to cripple their production.
 
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Because those frivolous law suits do nothing but create a hostile environment for honest gun makers.
Which has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.

It certainly doesn't. It also doesn't strictly protect ordnance, but most of us agree that it is implied. Thankfully Congress passed the PLCAA to protect honest business from a stream of claims meant only to cripple their production.
So you agree, that they go beyond being a 2nd amendment only organization when it suits their purposes.

As to whether he should be docked for voting against it, I'll let his own words speak:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul91.html
Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, April 9, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I rise today as a firm believer in the Second amendment and an opponent of all federal gun laws. In fact, I have introduced legislation, the Second Amendment Restoration Act (HR 153), which repeals misguided federal gun control laws such as the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban. I believe the Second amendment is one of the foundations of our constitutional liberties. However, Mr. Speaker, another foundation of those liberties is the oath all of us took to respect constitutional limits on federal power. While I understand and sympathize with the goals of the proponents of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (HR 1036), this bill exceeds those constitutional limitations, and so I must oppose it.

It is long past time for Congress to recognize that not every problem requires a federal solution. This country's founders understood the need to separate power between federal, state, and local governments to maximize individual liberty and make government most responsive to citizens. The reservation of most powers to the states strictly limited the role of the federal government in dealing with civil liability matters; it reserved jurisdiction over matters of civil tort, such as alleged gun-related negligence suits, to the state legislatures.

While I am against the federalization of tort reform, I must voice my complete disapproval of the very nature of these suits brought against gun manufacturers. Lawsuits for monetary damages from gun violence should be filed against the perpetrators of those crimes, not gun manufacturers! Holding manufacturers liable for harm they could neither foresee nor prevent is irresponsible and outlandish. The company that makes a properly functioning product in accordance with the law is acting lawfully, and thus should not be taken to court because of misuse by the purchaser (or in many cases, by a criminal who stole the weapon). Clearly these lawsuits are motivated not by a concern for justice, but by a search for deep pockets and a fanatical anti-gun political agenda.

However, Mr. Speaker, the most disturbing aspect of these lawsuits is the idea that guns, which are inanimate objects, are somehow responsible for crimes. HR 1036 shifts the focus away from criminals and their responsibility for their actions. It adds to the cult of irresponsibility that government unfortunately so often promotes. This further erodes the ethics of individual responsibility for one's own actions that must form the basis of a free and moral society. The root problem of violence is not the gun in the hand, but the gun in the heart: each person is accountable for the deeds that flow out of his or her own heart. One can resort to any means available to commit a crime, such as knives, fertilizer, pipes, or baseball bats. Should we start suing the manufacturers of these products as well because they are used in crimes? Of course not — the implications are preposterous.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would remind my fellow supporters of gun rights that using unconstitutional federal powers to restrict state gun lawsuits makes it more likely those same powers will be used to restrict our gun rights. Despite these lawsuits, the number one threat to gun ownership remains a federal government freed of its constitutional restraints. Expanding that government in any way, no matter how just the cause may seem, is not in the interests of gun owners or lovers of liberty.

In conclusion, while I share the concern over the lawsuits against gun manufacturers, which inspired HR 1036, this bill continues the disturbing trend toward federalization of tort law. Enhancing the power of the federal government is not in the long-term interests of defenders of the Second amendment and other constitutional liberties. Therefore, I must oppose this bill
 
The NRA is not concerned with the First Amendment. They are the premier Second Amendment group and that is their sole focus.

You need the First Amendment to secure the Second Amendment.

The First Amendment is there to secure the rights of the others.

If you explicitly abandon the 1st, you abandon the 2nd.
 
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You need the First Amendment to secure the Second Amendment.

The First Amendment is there to secure the rights of the others.

If you explicitly abandon the 1st, you abandon the 2nd.

I agree, but that isn't the purpose of the National Rifle Association. The NRA isn't a libertarian ideologue mouthpiece; they aren't concerned with the First Amendment, Seventeenth Amendment, Obamacare, clean energy, or tax policy. Thanks to their tight focus on gun issues, they are able to get membership from men, women, democrats, and republicans while being the most influential group supporting gun rights in the world.

The NRA will not pass the libertarian purity test that many of the posters here want to apply to everything and everyone, but that's most likely a good thing for results.
 
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