Now is the time for Rand to rescind his McConnell endorsement

[erowe1]

I don't think it will have different effects on Rand and others than outright releasing a press statement endorsing Bevin.

The general public won't see it as a flip-flop. And those are the only people he needs to worry about looking like a flip-flopper for.

McConnell and the party leadership would see it as a betrayal. And that's part of what would make it so fun.

 

[jj-]

McConnell and the party leadership would see it as a betrayal. And that's part of what would make it so fun.

That would disallow Rand from playing in the future the game he is playing, which I think is the main reason in his mind to not outright endorse Bevin. So in the most important sense, an appearance will be the same as an endorsement.

 

[erowe1]

That would disallow Rand from playing in the future the game he is playing, which I think is the main reason in his mind to not outright endorse Bevin. So in the most important sense, an appearance will be the same as an endorsement.

What is the most important sense that you're talking about?

To me, the most important sense would be aiding Bevin in beating McConnell. And if Rand could do something that would be almost as good as an endorsement in that most important sense without being a flip-flopper in the public eye, it would be a good thing.

 

[jj-]

Getting Bevin elected is practically irrelevant compared to the goal of being elected President. Rand would like some people in the establishment to not put all their efforts and power to stop him, by establishing good personal relationships, or giving the impression of not being so dangerous, to some people. Once he backstabs McConnell, any good personal relationship with a member of the establishment to preempt attacks will be dissolved, as they will see that Rand is unreliable and would stab them in the back.

 

[erowe1]

Getting Bevin elected is practically irrelevant compared to the goal of being elected President. Rand would like some people in the establishment to not put all their efforts and power to stop him, by establishing good personal relationships, or giving the impression of not being so dangerous, to some people. Once he backstabs McConnell, any good personal relationship with a member of the establishment to preempt attacks will be dissolved, as they will see that Rand is unreliable and would stab them in the back.

I am not as trusting of McConnell as you seem to be.

 

[Brett85]

People were just starting to awake in 2012 and they certainly weren't awake in 2008. This year and 2016 will be completely different in my opinion. Romney lost because the republican base didn't want to vote for him so they stayed home on election day. That's very telling. You get someone like Paul (and Cruz as VP?) I think you'll see a massive landslide victory in 2016.
On the flipside, if the people keep thinking moderate republicans are the way to win elections and nominate Bush or Huckabee then you'll see even less people out there voting than in 2012 and the Country will truly be fucked.

The good news is I heard the other day that Karl Rove's GOP super pac is down NINETY EIGHT percent in donations compared to 2012. I think people are all done with progressives (on both sides I hope)

Yeah, I just don't think that most people care about endorsements, or they're at least smart enough to understand the politics behind it and understand that it was necessary. A few won't, but Rand is gaining more than he's losing by endorsing McConnell. Like I said, it's not like endorsing Arlen Specter or some really liberal Republican.

 

[jj-]

I am not as trusting of McConnell as you seem to be.

It's not about McConnell, it's about every other McConnell type relationship. Once you have a reputation of backstabbing the establishment, you remove all hesitation they might have to stop you.

 

[jj-]

Like I said, it's not like endorsing Arlen Specter or some really liberal Republican.

Just one who voted for the bailout, double the size of the department of education, and expand government involvement in healthcare.

 

[libertarian101]

If McConnell were as powerful as some claim, Rand would have lost his 2010 election and wouldn't have became a senator. Rand will never be embraced by the establishment and the neocons as their view differ in lots of areas and they will always work to defeat him... but unlike 2010, the tea party won't save him in 2016 and Rand will become a one term senator not because McConnell support but because he abandoned his campaign promise and stabbed Kentuckians voters in the back by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Grimes gets some powerful help:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/bill-clinton-alison-lundergan-grimes-103259.html?hp=l4

Bill Clinton will be dropping by the Bluegrass State to campaign for Kentucky Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes in her attempt to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Can't say it's a surprise, given McConnell's vulnerability and Clinton's name recognition. Though I must wonder if people feel that they're not strong enough to campaign on their own without falling back on the Clintons for help. But, again, they are powerful in politics. After all, Clinton appeared alongside McAuliffe and we know how that turned out.

 

[Brett85]

Just one who voted for the bailout, double the size of the department of education, and expand government involvement in healthcare.

Yeah, I know, but it seems like he's improved quite a bit as a result of Rand getting him to come in his direction.

 

[ctiger2]

Grimes gets some powerful help:

Bill Clinton will be dropping by the Bluegrass State to campaign for Kentucky Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes in her attempt to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/bill-clinton-alison-lundergan-grimes-103259.html?hp=l4

Can't say it's a surprise, given McConnell's vulnerability and Clinton's name recognition. Though I must wonder if people feel that they're not strong enough to campaign on their own without falling back on the Clintons for help. But, again, they are powerful in politics. After all, Clinton appeared alongside McAuliffe and we know how that turned out.

 

[jjdoyle]

If McConnell were as powerful as some claim, Rand would have lost his 2010 election and wouldn't have became a senator. Rand will never be embraced by the establishment and the neocons as their view differ in lots of areas and they will always work to defeat him... but unlike 2010, the tea party won't save him in 2016 and Rand will become a one term senator not because McConnell support but because he abandoned his campaign promise and stabbed Kentuckians voters in the back by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Shhh, don't state the obvious. This is some grand, greater plan. Rand is switching to the Democrat side, if Alison Lundergan Grimes wins. Then he will be debating against Hillary and Biden. A much smaller field, and a lot easier to win that one. All he has to do is say, "Change. Change. Change." And the idiots will line up behind him.

Oh, and not sure if this was posted elsewhere, did everybody see Bill Clinton is going to be campaigning for Grimes now:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/bill-clinton-alison-lundergan-grimes-103259.html

 

[69360]

Grimes gets some powerful help:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/bill-clinton-alison-lundergan-grimes-103259.html?hp=l4



Can't say it's a surprise, given McConnell's vulnerability and Clinton's name recognition. Though I must wonder if people feel that they're not strong enough to campaign on their own without falling back on the Clintons for help. But, again, they are powerful in politics. After all, Clinton appeared alongside McAuliffe and we know how that turned out.

Somebody should ask Grimes if she has a blue dress or likes cigars.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If McConnell were as powerful as some claim, Rand would have lost his 2010 election and wouldn't have became a senator. Rand will never be embraced by the establishment and the neocons as their view differ in lots of areas and they will always work to defeat him... but unlike 2010, the tea party won't save him in 2016 and Rand will become a one term senator not because McConnell support but because he abandoned his campaign promise and stabbed Kentuckians voters in the back by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Rand supports giving them worker visas from what I've seen; not amnesty. I have never heard him advocating amnesty for anyone until the border is secured. You know as well as I do that the establishment is never going to secure the border, thus, no amnesty.

 

[anaconda]

If McConnell were as powerful as some claim, Rand would have lost his 2010 election and wouldn't have became a senator. Rand will never be embraced by the establishment and the neocons as their view differ in lots of areas and they will always work to defeat him... but unlike 2010, the tea party won't save him in 2016 and Rand will become a one term senator not because McConnell support but because he abandoned his campaign promise and stabbed Kentuckians voters in the back by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.

The most recent poll I saw shows that Rand's positives and negatives in KY are split by party line pretty much. So he must have most if not all Kentucky Republicans behind him.