Note about July 4th moneybomb

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Mckarnin said:
www.freedomslate08.com

If you scroll to the bottom of the page you see the disclaimer about it being a for-profit moneybomb. To be honest 10% is pretty standard for "development work" aka getting money for causes/candidates.
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No development work is need though. We raised 6 mil in one day for Paul. The overhead running the moneybomb site was probably about $100. The beauty of our grassroots is that we don't need some special paid fundraising company to coordinate donations. We are self coordinated non-hierarchical volunteers.
 
SnappleLlama said:
Does Trevor post here on the forums? Perhaps he can explain the situation?
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Yes, Trevor posts on the forum.

I don't blame him for taking money if he is working hard to promote the current for-profit moneybomb. I just think that the non-profit moneybomb emails should have been used 1 time at the end of each moneybomb to offer people the option to opt. into all of Trevor's future endeavors, commercial and non-profit and then deleted. Break the Matrix, for-profit moneybombs, etc...should have been promoted only via these opt ins and not via the original moneybomb emails.
 
Mckarnin said:
Yes, Trevor posts on the forum.

I don't blame him for taking money if he is working hard to promote the current for-profit moneybomb.
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I do. We all have worked hard. There are plenty of people who would do what he is doing for free, but he has a quasi-monopoly on money bombs due to his past success. It is time for the free market to kick him out and replace him with someone who will do it cheaper (free)
 
brandonyates said:
No development work is need though. We raised 6 mil in one day for Paul. The overhead running the moneybomb site was probably about $100. The beauty of our grassroots is that we don't need some special paid fundraising company to coordinate donations. We are self coordinated non-hierarchical volunteers.
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I understand how powerful our grassroots CAN be. That said, these candidates wouldn't be signing up for a moneybomb with someone taking a 10% cut unless they were having trouble getting money independently, through the grassroots.

For example...

right now FreedomSlate08.com (for-profit corporation moneybomb), granted it's using all previous moneybomb lists, has 751 people pledged.

the Lawson Liberty Fund moneybomb (non-profit grassroots) on June 29th has 105 people pledged right now.


Personally I think the moneybomb concept has been beaten and burned for the time being. Everyone is having a moneybomb for everything, we have donor fatigue, we have spamming of email addresses submitted to previous moneybombs and fights over who gets credit for their success...ugh!

Also, I think we have become complacent because of Trevor's "list". We started to take it for granted that that the vast majority of those who can be hit up would be automatically by Trevor. I still remember seeing the outraged emails from some people on the forum when the pledge numbers didn't look good on one of the moneybombs and Trevor hadn't sent out an update recently. The concept is losing its original grassroots sparkle. I hope we can get it back.
 
WTF!!!!!!!

So I now expect BTM to send me a check for the 6 hours work I have put into advertising their site. if its now a 'For Profit' Then the employs doing ALL of the work should get paid. Trevor can go to hell and kiss my ass. I will gladly e-mail each of the candidates that are part of BTM that I personally am NOT donating 1 single cent to the campaign as long as this is set that way.
 
brandonyates said:
I do. We all have worked hard. There are plenty of people who would do what he is doing for free, but he has a quasi-monopoly on money bombs due to his past success. It is time for the free market to kick him out and replace him with someone who will do it cheaper (free)
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I can empathize. Like many in this movement I am working for free with almost 0 emotional rewards. This movement is made up of people. Some of us, myself included, have repeatedly made the mistake of thinking that everyone here is working for freedom. Unfortunately like any other cross section of society there are many in this movement who want personal glory, wealth (not just recompense), and credit for ideas that are not their own.
 
UtahApocalypse said:
WTF!!!!!!!

So I now expect BTM to send me a check for the 6 hours work I have put into advertising their site. if its now a 'For Profit' Then the employs doing ALL of the work should get paid. Trevor can go to hell and kiss my ass. I will gladly e-mail each of the candidates that are part of BTM that I personally am NOT donating 1 single cent to the campaign as long as this is set that way.
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The promotion of freedomslate will allow these candidates to get donations they otherwise wouldn't have - and if the candidates choose to pay BTM a percentage in exchange for the promotion, that's between BTM and the candidates.

If you don't like BTM for running a for-profit organization, fine.
But there's no reason not to donate to freedom candidates just because they are "part of BTM"
Just donate the same amount before or after July 4th.

Personally, I will donate to candidates on my own.
Utah, I recommend http://www.lawsonlibertyfund.com
 
MRoCkEd said:
The promotion of freedomslate will allow these candidates to get donations they otherwise wouldn't have - and if the candidates choose to pay BTM a percentage in exchange for the promotion, that's between BTM and the candidates.

If you don't like BTM for running a for-profit organization, fine.
But there's no reason not to donate to freedom candidates just because they are "part of BTM"
Just donate the same amount before or after July 4th.

Personally, I will donate to candidates on my own.
Utah, I recommend http://www.lawsonlibertyfund.com
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The main difference here is when a campaign actually hires a business to promote its campaign the business then PAYS other companies to make signs, produce advertisements, etc... BTM is solely relying on grassroots to do all the leg work for free, and then THEY get the pay for everyone else's work.
 
UtahApocalypse said:
The main difference here is when a campaign actually hires a business to promote its campaign the business then PAYS other companies to make signs, produce advertisements, etc... BTM is solely relying on grassroots to do all the leg work for free, and then THEY get the pay for everyone else's work.
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Good point
 
Who cares, Trevar has turned into ------. He's all about his fame and making monies now.


I'd rather donate the full, I'd rather have REAL grassroots make a moneybomb. Trevor didn't do anything. He made a website. WE MADE THE BOMB!!!!
 
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The campaigns probably agreed to different cuts, but 10% on average is probably pretty close.

If people think Capitalism is supposed to be a greater fools game of deception, they can take their faux-liberty rhetoric and shove it up their Rothschild-worshipping asses.

Whatever happened to responsible capitalism where you offer a product based on need, and are upfront with your intentions?
Because if you have a shitty product, all you have are marketing and deception and fine print.

Sell-outs, the lot of 'em.
 
If anyone here knows Trevor, perhaps it would be a good idea for him to come over here and clear up the potential misunderstanding.
 
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