Note about July 4th moneybomb

[Jeremy]

storm's edit: If you think I'm suggesting that you don't help out and donate, you're wrong. Please still donate to these candidates, including on July 4th if you want. I've requested this thread locked because a lot of people took it a little bit the wrong way. thanks.

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Trevor Lyman's Break the Matrix company makes a 10 % profit off of the donations.

The BJ Lawson one on the 29th makes no profit. But if you still do the one on the 4th, and have a problem with donating to BTM... you might want to donate directly at the candidates' sites.

edit: If MRoCkEd is right, you'd want to donate the day after


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[MRoCkEd]

well i think the contributions are made directly to the campaign websites, but each campaign has agreed to pay a fee equal to 10% of the donations to BTM in exchange for its promotion.

but yeah, i will be donating to BJ on the 29th

 

[JKap]

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Trevor Lyman's Break the Matrix company makes a 10 % profit off of the donations.

The BJ Lawson one on the 29th makes no profit. But if you still do the one on the 4th, and have a problem with donating to BTM... you might want to donate directly at the candidates' sites.

What is the BTM July 4th money bomb?

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

Trevor Lyman's Break the Matrix company makes a 10 % profit off of the donations.

How do you know that? Last time somebody asked, they replied it's a secret how much they make.

 

[Jeremy]

What is the BTM July 4th money bomb?

it goes to a list a of various candidates

some of which, in my opinion, have no active campaign and cannot win anyway. others are good candidates though

 

[Jeremy]

How do you know that? Last time somebody asked, they replied it's a secret how much they make.

one of the candidates told me, lol

Why are they keeping it a secret? I'm not trying to ruin their plans... I just want some honesty going around here. And Trevor has the big establishment... the other moneybombs have no list and we're small... it hasn't exactly been easy competing. For example, he took our original day...

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

one of the candidates told me, lol

Why are they keeping it a secret? I'm not trying to ruin their plans...

Just a business matter I suppose. I still believe it's not fair to mention that important information at the very bottom of the page and pretend it's an old good moneybomb at the top. Doing money off this is perfectly OK with me.

 

[ARealConservative]

Trevor Lyman's Break the Matrix company makes a 10 % profit off of the donations.

peee uuukkkkkeeeee

what an asshat that guy has turned out to be IMO.

 

[amy31416]

So, to clarify: BTM is promoting a July 4th money bomb, where we are encouraged to donate to BTM, they get 10% of the donations and the rest is divvied up between Congressional candidates?

Did I get that right? It's not really stated in this thread so far.

 

[Jeremy]

So, to clarify: BTM is promoting a July 4th money bomb, where we are encouraged to donate to BTM, they get 10% of the donations and the rest is divvied up between Congressional candidates?

Did I get that right? It's not really stated in this thread so far.

I'm not sure if people will donate directly to the candidates or what... all I know is that BTM told the candidates they would need 10% of the donation or they can't be in the moneybomb.

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

So, to clarify: BTM is promoting a July 4th money bomb, where we are encouraged to donate to BTM, they get 10% of the donations and the rest is divvied up between Congressional candidates?

Did I get that right? It's not really stated in this thread so far.

I think you get it right. At least that's my impression from the various different threads about it.

 

[asgardshill]

Actually, 10% for fundraising is not all that much out-of-line. Raising money sometimes takes money. There are charities that just about everybody here would probably donate to without question which take a far greater percentage for administrative costs.

And there's always the option of voting with one's feet. If you honestly believe that Trevor Lyman is taking too much out of your donations, you can always donate directly to your candidate(s) of choice. That's the way I prefer to donate anyway - the blimp thing really soured me on TL, but that's just me.

 

[Milton]

If I wish to donate $100 to a candidate, I want the candidate to get the FULL $100. I want my money to go to helping a freedom minded person get elected. NOT to finance someone's new Ferrari.

 

[Jeremy]

Actually, 10% for fundraising is not all that much out-of-line. Raising money sometimes takes money. There are charities that just about everybody here would probably donate to without question which take a far greater percentage for administrative costs.

And there's always the option of voting with one's feet. If you honestly believe that Trevor Lyman is taking too much out of your donations, you can always donate directly to your candidate(s) of choice. That's the way I prefer to donate anyway - the blimp thing really soured me on TL, but that's just me.

But let's compare.

People doing freedom slate moneybomb - 10%
People doing Lawson moneybomb (and all other moneybombs before) - 0%

 

[asgardshill]

But let's compare.

People doing freedom slate moneybomb - 10%
People doing Lawson moneybomb (and all other moneybombs before) - 0%

Yepper.

Frankly, if I were a freedom candidate, I would tell Lyman exactly which orifice he could use to shove his 10% off the top. But then again, is it better to get 90% or get zippo?

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

But let's compare.

People doing freedom slate moneybomb - 10%
People doing Lawson moneybomb (and all other moneybombs before) - 0%

Your 10% isn't even official. People know only about a fee (if they even bothered to scroll to the bottom of the freedom slate site, of course).

So the difference is even bigger, imho.

 

[Jeremy]

Yepper.

Frankly, if I were a freedom candidate, I would tell Lyman exactly which orifice he could use to shove his 10% off the top. But then again, is it better to get 90% or get zippo?

I think the candidates should still do it.... I just think the people who pledged should know what's going on. I'd always encourage people to help out in any way. I just hope they know exactly where their money is going. If people don't want part of their donation going to BTM, they should donate with another moneybomb, the next day, etc...

 

[brandon]

What a joke. Now I know why he wouldn't agree to let us use www.thisnovember5th.com to set up a money bomb for next november.

 

[Mckarnin]

What is the BTM July 4th money bomb?

www.freedomslate08.com

If you scroll to the bottom of the page you see the disclaimer about it being a for-profit moneybomb. To be honest 10% is pretty standard for "development work" aka getting money for causes/candidates. My problem with it is that Trevor is now blatantly using the lists he created via the non-profit moneybombs for direct personal gain.

 

[SnappleLlama]

Does Trevor post here on the forums? Perhaps he can explain the situation?