LostNFoundNTx
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Mod: This was posted in a Missouri thread when the caucus was shut down after repeated rules violations Rules violations can include refusal to COUNT the division of the vote so long as the vote isn't overwhelmingly clear visually. See discussion below:
It's addressed in (RONR (11th ed.) pp. 650-653). A member of the assembly can stand in place of the chair (without recognition of the chair) to take a vote if the chair chooses to ignore a non-dilatory point of order 3 times. If the entire room is quiet except for the presiding chair (who is ignoring the member) and the member taking a vote in his place, it's easy to simply listen to the person taking a vote in his place. What effectively happens is the chair, who is behaving out of order, is simply ignored by the members in the room while they vote to remove him.
The chair clearly had this strategy planned out and that's why he didn't want a clear recording of it. I will repeat: I know a bit about party rules and Roberts Rules and they don't make any difference against this gambit. I would appreciate if there's some advice from a rules expert that will overcome the "deaf chair" maneuver. But I don't see how that's possible.
It's addressed in (RONR (11th ed.) pp. 650-653). A member of the assembly can stand in place of the chair (without recognition of the chair) to take a vote if the chair chooses to ignore a non-dilatory point of order 3 times. If the entire room is quiet except for the presiding chair (who is ignoring the member) and the member taking a vote in his place, it's easy to simply listen to the person taking a vote in his place. What effectively happens is the chair, who is behaving out of order, is simply ignored by the members in the room while they vote to remove him.