North Carolina Bans Gay Marriage

I always find these discussions funny. To everyone that is against gay marriage or equality you are aware most states allow a form of "gay" marriage right? Or at least what most christian I have talked to consider to be a gay marriage.
 
One thing I would certainly say is that the state of North Carolina has the right to pass this law. I can't believe the "libertarians" who believe that the federal government should violate the 10th amendment and prohibit the states from passing marriage amendments.
 
RonPaulFanInGA said:
The U.S. Supreme Court's Lawrence v. Texas decision in 2003 legalized sodomy and consensual same-sex sex throughout the country. At the time, 14 states (including Texas) had bans on it.

Zoophilia is still illegal, of course. As it should be.
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You know sodomy was illegal in the military up to last year I believe. This wasn't the don't ask don't tell issue this was a wholenother reg in the UCMJ that people were actually getting in trouble for.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
One thing I would certainly say is that the state of North Carolina has the right to pass this law. I can't believe the "libertarians" who believe that the federal government should violate the 10th amendment and prohibit the states from passing marriage amendments.
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Last time I checked libertarians were for individual rights not state rights. That being said I am kinda glad this got passed. Because now it can go to the supreme court like it should and we can finally get a ruling on it that will hopefully set the bar for other states.
 
Ranger29860 said:
Last time I checked libertarians were for individual rights not state rights. That being said I am kinda glad this got passed. Because now it can go to the supreme court like it should and we can finally get a ruling on it that will hopefully set the bar for other states.
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So libertarians are opposed to states' rights and the 10th amendment? I'm glad I don't call myself a "libertarian" then. I actually believe strongly in the 10th amendment and states' rights. (As does Ron Paul, who believes there's no Constitutional right to "same sex" marriage.)
 
Ranger29860 said:
Last time I checked libertarians were for individual rights not state rights. That being said I am kinda glad this got passed. Because now it can go to the supreme court like it should and we can finally get a ruling on it that will hopefully set the bar for other states.
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Why? The supreme court of the US should have nothing to say on this matter. This is something the people of the state of North Carolina should and have decided for themselves how to handle. The Feds have no right to get involved in this matter.
 
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erowe1 said:
This isn't a statist program. State-based Gay marriage is a statist program, and this prohibits North Carolina from engaging in it.
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State-based heterosexual marriage is a statist program. Can't have state-based heterosexual marriage and not have state-based homosexual marriage. 14th amendment, due process.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
So libertarians are opposed to states' rights and the 10th amendment? I'm glad I don't call myself a "libertarian" then. I actually believe strongly in the 10th amendment and states' rights. (As does Ron Paul, who believes there's no Constitutional right to "same sex" marriage.)
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lol 10th amendment is not a catch all for anything the states want to regulate. They are still bound by the other amendments and the bill of rights.
 
cstarace said:
State-based heterosexual marriage is a statist program. Can't have state-based heterosexual marriage and not have state-based homosexual marriage. 14th amendment, due process.
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The 14th amendment was passed in order to free the slaves. What in the world does that have to do with "gay marriage?"
 
Ranger29860 said:
lol 10th amendment is not a catch all for anything the states want to regulate. They are still bound by the other amendments and the bill of rights.
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The states are bound by the Bill of Rights, but I've never seen the amendment that says, "the right of homosexuals to have government sponsored marriage shall not be infringed upon."
 
Ranger29860 said:
lol 10th amendment is not a catch all for anything the states want to regulate. They are still bound by the other amendments and the bill of rights.
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They aren't actually. A good book on this is "The 14th amendment and the bill of rights" by Raoul Berger.

Even if they were its irrelevant. Bill of rights has nothing relevant to say on this issue. (Except the 9th and 10th of course)
 
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matt0611 said:
Why? The supreme court of the US should have nothing to say on this matter. This is something the people of the state of North Carolina should and have decided for themselves how to handle. The Feds have no right to get involved in this matter.
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I already saw that you personally disagree but I believe that the 14th amendment addresses this issue. If someone decides to (and they will) take this to the supreme court because they view it as unconstitutional then the supreme court has every say in this matter. Now that being said if they come back and say its not unconstitutional I can live with it. A better way and a much more rewarding outcome is to not fight this legally but to try to change the culture.
 
matt0611 said:
They aren't actually. A good book on this is "The 14th amendment and the bill of rights" by Raoul Berger.
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I'll put that on my summer reading list. Got a stack of school books I have to get through before I can even think about doing any recreational reading lol
 
Ranger29860 said:
I'll put that on my summer reading list. Got a stack of school books I have to get through before I can even think about doing any recreational reading lol
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LOL ok. Just so you don't think I'm insane, Ron Paul also has the same view of the Bill of Rights.
 
The 14th amendment was passed in the previous century, in order to make sure that blacks would never again be forced into slavery. How can anyone seriously think that the people who wrote the 14th amendment in the 1800's did so with the intention of allowing "same sex marriage" sometime in the future?
 
Traditional Conservative said:
The 14th amendment was passed in the previous century, in order to make sure that blacks would never again be forced into slavery. How can anyone seriously think that the people who wrote the 14th amendment in the 1800's did so with the intention of allowing "same sex marriage" sometime in the future?
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You're again being intentionally obtuse. Did those words ever come out of my mouth?
 
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