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Coming from the person who started the thread about him, or Dr. Steve Parent. Do you see the irony here?
Nolan Chart Article - Ron Paul Delegate Wars II ( mention of Dr. Steve Parent)
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Coming from the person who started the thread about him, or Dr. Steve Parent. Do you see the irony here?
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I'm not the one posting 100 links to conversations with Steve to try to character assassinate am I?
Again, I don't care who Steve is, what he does, which hand he uses to wipe his ass.
I care about Ron Paul and if someone comes along and helps, he's ok in my book. Dr Steve is helping Bradley and his possee are not.
Again, I don't care who Steve is, what he does, which hand he uses to wipe his ass.
I care about Ron Paul and if someone comes along and helps, he's ok in my book. Dr Steve is helping Bradley and his possee are not.
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Explain to me how getting ballot access and canvassing for liberty candidates is not helping the movement or Ron Paul.
If it isn't, I'll gladly stop what I'm doing and follow Dr. Steve Parent. But I'm rather sure the delegates would like the proper information when they go to their conventions, and Dr. Paul would love to have some other liberty minded candidates in Congress.
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It is tough to accept when you have been misled. It is embarrassing, frustrating and a number of other emotions come into play. Read the other threads... read the actual "authoritative" information. This guy is feeding you false informtion, leading your down the wrong path and wasting your time.
Sorry, but this guy has fooled you... but you are not alone... nor is the blame yours;
"Fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on me"
or, as the Who put it, we "Won't get Fooled Again"
If this guy conned you just take a deep breath... then sigh or say damn... but move on... we have more important things to do than give this guy more of our time.
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The article is premised on Hillary's comment about the DEMOCRATIC party rules--which are different than Republican ones.
It cites as its authority "Dr." Steve Parent whose experience is with Democrats, not Republicans, which explains the Hillary-inspired confusion. Steve's cite is rebuked in the links I provided in the other post. It references a website "How to be a delegate" that FALSELY claims the support of the official campaign.
It cites as its authority "Dr." Steve Parent whose experience is with Democrats, not Republicans, which explains the Hillary-inspired confusion. Steve's cite is rebuked in the links I provided in the other post. It references a website "How to be a delegate" that FALSELY claims the support of the official campaign.
I haven't looked up much on the delegate process. All I know is, Bradley in DC always seems very forthcoming, helpful, and truthful with all his posts. He has impressed me before with his knowledge.
Dr. Steve Parent MAY be correct, but all I've seen from his is a lot of drama. That hurts his credibility in my eyes.
Dr. Steve Parent MAY be correct, but all I've seen from his is a lot of drama. That hurts his credibility in my eyes.
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Exactly. Bradley is very assertive and sometimes even slightly arrogant with his explanation of the delegate process. Why is there not a crew of people attacking him? Because 9 times out of 10 he has been right. Now Steve parent on the other hand..... Every time his name is mentioned 30 people are posting about him being a fraud.. This should tell you something.
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We would welcome the opportunity to work WITH Steve if he'd just correct the factually wrong information. I've suggested, several times, he work on a wiki with us all together to get the best information out in a non-personal, dispassionate way, but he's more interested in having everyone pay him attention.
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Bingo. I know at least Bradley and I, and I'm sure many others, are willing to work with him to better the information. I don't find this in-fighting fun nor worthwhile, but I'm upset when good intentions are undermined by poor information.
If we can get correct information out there, this process would be much more simplified. Nobody wants these kinds of threads.
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Dr? Steve, "our Leader"
I ALSO wouldn't care what kind of a person Dr. Steve is IF he could get Ron Paul elected.
But all I have seen resulting from Dr. Steve's direction is a lot of unsubstantiated, self-congratulatory claims by himself and a flock of grammatically-challenged groupies.
And yes, there is a point at which a self-styled "leader" in our movement has to be held to certain standard.
I think my following post summed up my impression of Dr? Steve:
"I don't care what kind or even if Dr. Steve is a "real" doctor. At least from the stand point of respecting his ideas and recognizing his contributions to the movement.
I obviously don't place too much stock on credentials, or I would not have waited until my 200th post to mention that fact that I am a doctor.
When I made my original post about narcissistic personality disorder, I intentionally did a cut and paste so people would not have to rely on unverified credentials or a degree. I honestly did not think too much about the fact that I was "outing" myself as a physician. In retrospect I can see how naive I was to think that this was not going to be a "big deal". I can see now how much stock these "Dr. Steveites" place on his professional status. I guess in their minds being a doctor gave him some type of special status within the movement; a link to Dr. Paul that transcended the average supporter. I can honestly say that it never occurred to me that people like "Sandra" would question my professional status. Again, I can see now that I was inadvertently encroaching onto the sacred (and to that point, unique) territory of her guru.
Now to the man.
I won't claim any special love for Dr. Steve. Since I first saw his posts on Daily Paul I will admit that I was more than a little put off by his "IF YOU CARE ANYTHING ABOUT FREEDOM AND THE FATE OF OUR REPUBLIC YOU WILL KEEP THIS BUMPED EVERY DAY AND IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE ALL SCUM THAT DESERVE TO LIVE IN CHAINS" hyperbolic style. I didn't mind so much that he called himself "Doctor" Steve. I guess I assumed that he had a PhD in Early Aztec Basket Weaving and was one of those guys that got off on being called "Doctor". And I don't think any less of someone if they don't happen to feel like me that it kind of goes against the egalitarian atmosphere of this movement.
Within the last couple of days, I will admit he got me ticked off when he and his sycophantic groupies on DailPaul accused me of fabricating an email from a national campaign staff member advising RP delegates that they probably should not expect to be able to vote for Ron Paul at the RNC.
Wowee, talk about shooting the messenger. Within minutes I was called everything from a troll to a CFR infiltrator to a liar. I reposted adding even more chunks of the email, explaining meticulously and as clearly as possible that I WAS NOT ENDORSING OR CONDONING THE VIEWS EXPRESSED IN THE EMAIL but that I thought it was worth knowing what some within the campaign were advising.
That made them even madder.
I was a liar. I made the whole thing up.
I had my wife come on to confirm that she had in fact received the email.
Either they ignored her or thought she was a CFR plant (I honestly don't know what is going on inside that gelatinous mass they use for brains.)
But at least I could count on the good doctor to add a note of dignity, right?
He came on and without commenting at all on the changes, clarifications, replies, and added comments by my wife asked, "Why hasn't this post been flagged?"
"Sorry, Your Highness. We'll get on it right away! We won't let it happen again!", said his lapdog fanboys, as they scurried to do his bidding.
I offered to forward the email in question to Steve if he would promise me not to divulge the author's name or post excerpts out of context.
Nada. No rebuttal. No acknowledgment. No apology and no retraction.
No, Steve is strictly a hit and run kind of guy.
So now that he has thoroughly befouled the atmosphere over at DailyPaul, Steve announces grandly (everything he does is always done in dramatic fashion) that he is going to come over to the RonPaul Forums to root out the infidels and could he have some of his groupies come with him? (They almost always travel in packs, safer that way.)
And this thread was the result.
And still I would have given him some benefit of the doubt. That maybe he has actually helped some of the people that he says he has helped. And maybe some of the people that think he has helped them, actually aren't deluded or suffering from intellectual Stockholm Syndrome.
And then he gave THIS quote above.
When I first read his smear about the "glorified massage therapist" I was actually amused. I am used to some lay people confusing DO's (Doctor of Osteopathy) with chiropractors or whatever simply because in addition to all of the courses that any MD medical student has to take the Osteopathic medical student also must learn manipulative therapy. True, in the early 20th century there was a sometimes not all that friendly rivalry between the two schools of medicine. But by the time I entered medical school that was all ancient history. Today's DO's and MD's share residency programs and populate every specialty from Pediatrics to Neurosurgery and sometimes work with a doctor for a years before they realize which one he is.
All doctors know this. Patients may not, especially if they come from some areas of the country where DO's aren't as numerous. But ALL doctors know this.
So it never occurred to me that Steve was anything but a PhD taking a cheap shot out of ignorance.
That's when I made this response:
" BTW, Dr. Steve, if you happen to be driving through southwest Iowa in a couple of weeks be very careful not to get in a car accident.
I hear that the local hospital is going to have a "glorified massage therapist" staffing their emergency room!
I hear they even have him supervising all three of the Physician Assistants who cover the emergency room full time.
But what would you expect from a hospital that would let that same "glorified massage therapist" be their Chief of Staff last year?
And while he isn't a psychiatrist (and does NOT claim to be one) he was the medical director for the geriatric psychiatry unit for a couple of years.
And if you are interested, he does know some excellent psychiatrists.
(Personally, I just think you need to cut down on your caffeine.
)"
More out of amusement than anger.
A little sarcastic? Sure. A little condescending? Guilty.
But you can see why I might have been a little fed up with this self-righteous stuffed shirt.
But then I stumbled back across his note and noticed for the first time his claim to be a physician --
As far as my medical background and license or license number is none of your business or anyone elses ana has no bearing on what i have done or is willing to continue to do.
Wait a minute, I had been cutting him some slack because I thought he was just ignorant. Spiteful, self-promoting, conceited, deluded, and petty, sure, but not malevolent.
But now all of a sudden my view of "Doctor" Steve made a paradigm shift. He was claiming to be a medical doctor. All of this grandstanding and posturing was coming from an MD, not some PhD with an inferiority complex?!? All of this childish, unprofessional behavior from a colleague?
Now he no longer had an excuse. I have practiced medicine and trained in states from Nevada to Pennsylvania; Iowa to Virginia. I have worked with DO's and MD's trained everywhere from Botswana to the Mayo Clinic; but I have never, NEVER met a doctor who would debase himself to call a DO colleague a "glorified massage therapist". I know you may not understand this but, this just isn't done. Not on our worst days. Not even in gest. And Steve was most certainly NOT joking. He wasn't calling me a liar this time, he was insulting my profession (actually OUR profession) and taking advantage of YOUR ignorance to take a cheap shot at someone he KNEW really WAS a doctor.
Now all the misspelled, ungrammatical, disjointed posts were more sinister. This is a guy that will stop at nothing, will stoop to anything to win his point. I know now that whatever else he is, he is not the dedicated servant to this movement that he claims to be. I don't care how many hours he spends talking to delegates or how many phone bills he racks up; Steve Parent cares about only one thing -- Steve Parent.
I don't know, nor do I care if he is a doctor or not. Either he is a bold-faced liar, or a professional who has lost any semblance of ethical or professional dignity.
I now know that I have only heard him say one thing that is absolutely true,
"i really do not care. "
How true. How true."
I ALSO wouldn't care what kind of a person Dr. Steve is IF he could get Ron Paul elected.
But all I have seen resulting from Dr. Steve's direction is a lot of unsubstantiated, self-congratulatory claims by himself and a flock of grammatically-challenged groupies.
And yes, there is a point at which a self-styled "leader" in our movement has to be held to certain standard.
I think my following post summed up my impression of Dr? Steve:
"I don't care what kind or even if Dr. Steve is a "real" doctor. At least from the stand point of respecting his ideas and recognizing his contributions to the movement.
I obviously don't place too much stock on credentials, or I would not have waited until my 200th post to mention that fact that I am a doctor.
When I made my original post about narcissistic personality disorder, I intentionally did a cut and paste so people would not have to rely on unverified credentials or a degree. I honestly did not think too much about the fact that I was "outing" myself as a physician. In retrospect I can see how naive I was to think that this was not going to be a "big deal". I can see now how much stock these "Dr. Steveites" place on his professional status. I guess in their minds being a doctor gave him some type of special status within the movement; a link to Dr. Paul that transcended the average supporter. I can honestly say that it never occurred to me that people like "Sandra" would question my professional status. Again, I can see now that I was inadvertently encroaching onto the sacred (and to that point, unique) territory of her guru.
Now to the man.
I won't claim any special love for Dr. Steve. Since I first saw his posts on Daily Paul I will admit that I was more than a little put off by his "IF YOU CARE ANYTHING ABOUT FREEDOM AND THE FATE OF OUR REPUBLIC YOU WILL KEEP THIS BUMPED EVERY DAY AND IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE ALL SCUM THAT DESERVE TO LIVE IN CHAINS" hyperbolic style. I didn't mind so much that he called himself "Doctor" Steve. I guess I assumed that he had a PhD in Early Aztec Basket Weaving and was one of those guys that got off on being called "Doctor". And I don't think any less of someone if they don't happen to feel like me that it kind of goes against the egalitarian atmosphere of this movement.
Within the last couple of days, I will admit he got me ticked off when he and his sycophantic groupies on DailPaul accused me of fabricating an email from a national campaign staff member advising RP delegates that they probably should not expect to be able to vote for Ron Paul at the RNC.
Wowee, talk about shooting the messenger. Within minutes I was called everything from a troll to a CFR infiltrator to a liar. I reposted adding even more chunks of the email, explaining meticulously and as clearly as possible that I WAS NOT ENDORSING OR CONDONING THE VIEWS EXPRESSED IN THE EMAIL but that I thought it was worth knowing what some within the campaign were advising.
That made them even madder.
I was a liar. I made the whole thing up.
I had my wife come on to confirm that she had in fact received the email.
Either they ignored her or thought she was a CFR plant (I honestly don't know what is going on inside that gelatinous mass they use for brains.)
But at least I could count on the good doctor to add a note of dignity, right?
He came on and without commenting at all on the changes, clarifications, replies, and added comments by my wife asked, "Why hasn't this post been flagged?"
"Sorry, Your Highness. We'll get on it right away! We won't let it happen again!", said his lapdog fanboys, as they scurried to do his bidding.
I offered to forward the email in question to Steve if he would promise me not to divulge the author's name or post excerpts out of context.
Nada. No rebuttal. No acknowledgment. No apology and no retraction.
No, Steve is strictly a hit and run kind of guy.
So now that he has thoroughly befouled the atmosphere over at DailyPaul, Steve announces grandly (everything he does is always done in dramatic fashion) that he is going to come over to the RonPaul Forums to root out the infidels and could he have some of his groupies come with him? (They almost always travel in packs, safer that way.)
And this thread was the result.
And still I would have given him some benefit of the doubt. That maybe he has actually helped some of the people that he says he has helped. And maybe some of the people that think he has helped them, actually aren't deluded or suffering from intellectual Stockholm Syndrome.
And then he gave THIS quote above.
When I first read his smear about the "glorified massage therapist" I was actually amused. I am used to some lay people confusing DO's (Doctor of Osteopathy) with chiropractors or whatever simply because in addition to all of the courses that any MD medical student has to take the Osteopathic medical student also must learn manipulative therapy. True, in the early 20th century there was a sometimes not all that friendly rivalry between the two schools of medicine. But by the time I entered medical school that was all ancient history. Today's DO's and MD's share residency programs and populate every specialty from Pediatrics to Neurosurgery and sometimes work with a doctor for a years before they realize which one he is.
All doctors know this. Patients may not, especially if they come from some areas of the country where DO's aren't as numerous. But ALL doctors know this.
So it never occurred to me that Steve was anything but a PhD taking a cheap shot out of ignorance.
That's when I made this response:
" BTW, Dr. Steve, if you happen to be driving through southwest Iowa in a couple of weeks be very careful not to get in a car accident.
I hear that the local hospital is going to have a "glorified massage therapist" staffing their emergency room!
I hear they even have him supervising all three of the Physician Assistants who cover the emergency room full time.
But what would you expect from a hospital that would let that same "glorified massage therapist" be their Chief of Staff last year?
And while he isn't a psychiatrist (and does NOT claim to be one) he was the medical director for the geriatric psychiatry unit for a couple of years.
And if you are interested, he does know some excellent psychiatrists.
(Personally, I just think you need to cut down on your caffeine.
)" More out of amusement than anger.
A little sarcastic? Sure. A little condescending? Guilty.
But you can see why I might have been a little fed up with this self-righteous stuffed shirt.
But then I stumbled back across his note and noticed for the first time his claim to be a physician --
As far as my medical background and license or license number is none of your business or anyone elses ana has no bearing on what i have done or is willing to continue to do.
Wait a minute, I had been cutting him some slack because I thought he was just ignorant. Spiteful, self-promoting, conceited, deluded, and petty, sure, but not malevolent.
But now all of a sudden my view of "Doctor" Steve made a paradigm shift. He was claiming to be a medical doctor. All of this grandstanding and posturing was coming from an MD, not some PhD with an inferiority complex?!? All of this childish, unprofessional behavior from a colleague?
Now he no longer had an excuse. I have practiced medicine and trained in states from Nevada to Pennsylvania; Iowa to Virginia. I have worked with DO's and MD's trained everywhere from Botswana to the Mayo Clinic; but I have never, NEVER met a doctor who would debase himself to call a DO colleague a "glorified massage therapist". I know you may not understand this but, this just isn't done. Not on our worst days. Not even in gest. And Steve was most certainly NOT joking. He wasn't calling me a liar this time, he was insulting my profession (actually OUR profession) and taking advantage of YOUR ignorance to take a cheap shot at someone he KNEW really WAS a doctor.
Now all the misspelled, ungrammatical, disjointed posts were more sinister. This is a guy that will stop at nothing, will stoop to anything to win his point. I know now that whatever else he is, he is not the dedicated servant to this movement that he claims to be. I don't care how many hours he spends talking to delegates or how many phone bills he racks up; Steve Parent cares about only one thing -- Steve Parent.
I don't know, nor do I care if he is a doctor or not. Either he is a bold-faced liar, or a professional who has lost any semblance of ethical or professional dignity.
I now know that I have only heard him say one thing that is absolutely true,
"i really do not care. "
How true. How true."
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Spacehabitats:
I agree fully with your assesment of "Dr" Steve, and you espoused your opinion very eloquently.
However, I wish you wouldn't speak as if physicians are above other doctors. Obtaining a PhD in engineering, science, or math can be every bit as grueling as becoming a physician.
I agree fully with your assesment of "Dr" Steve, and you espoused your opinion very eloquently.
However, I wish you wouldn't speak as if physicians are above other doctors. Obtaining a PhD in engineering, science, or math can be every bit as grueling as becoming a physician.
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LibertyIn08
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I don't think he was insulting PhDs, rather those who get PhDs or MDs and make sure everyone calls them "Doctor".
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Yes, but none of that training helps understand the delegate process. I learned the hard way doing it for Forbes in 1996 and 2000 (happily, Forbes paid well
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Did someone strike a nerve, Dr. Yates...?
Hahahaha...who knows? Honestly though, I had undergrad courses with a lot of wannabe doctors and half of them were doofuses (I'm not saying that Spacehabitats is one of them) but having blind reverence for anyone under the title of "Dr." whether they be PhD's, MD's, DO's or whatever, is silly. I think Spacehabitats understands that.
Some PhD's and people in medicine are amazing, others are shallow, narrow and think the whole world consists of their specialty or thesis topic and can only view things from that perspective.
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guys contact AMA and ask about Dr. Steve Parent - http://webapps.ama-assn.org/contactus/contactus-submit.do
hopefully one of us will get a response from them on Dr. Steve parent
hopefully one of us will get a response from them on Dr. Steve parent
Honestly, I dunno if Dr. Parent is the most knowledgeable guy out there. But the thing is, he's enthusiastic and is working very hard, even at this point, to get Paul elected. I believe it's still a possibility, too. A huge one? No, but people like Dr. Parent and others spend their time to try to make the possibility bigger. Thats a very respectable trait for someone, in my opinion.
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What does the guy actually do though? He doesn't even live in our country. He is some guy in canada who posts incorrect information on some slightly obscure (no offence) message boards from time to time. Does that really count as helping paul get elected?
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Sorry...
I meant no offense. I know there are many MD/DO's that are also jerks. I just have never known one to sink to the depths of a Dr? Steve. As for PhD's, again I am not trying to denigrate their well earned status as "doctors", I just can't speak from personal experience about their standards of ethical behavior as a group (which I am sure is even more eclectic than the medical profession). Suffice it to say, Dr? Steve's online behavior has been inexcusable.
I meant no offense. I know there are many MD/DO's that are also jerks. I just have never known one to sink to the depths of a Dr? Steve. As for PhD's, again I am not trying to denigrate their well earned status as "doctors", I just can't speak from personal experience about their standards of ethical behavior as a group (which I am sure is even more eclectic than the medical profession). Suffice it to say, Dr? Steve's online behavior has been inexcusable.
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smartguy911, what is it with you and others who want to know if Steve is a real Dr or not?
Does it really matter?
Who really cares if Steve Parent is using a pseudonym?
Isn't he entitled to his privacy?
Isn't that what our Commander in Chief, Dr Ron Paul is all in favour of?
Give it up and simply move on.
It would be nice if Ron Paul Republicans on this site were as vocal as Steve in educating us all in the delegate process. I for one would like to hear Bradley and his followers go on to radio shows or even write articles, enlightening us on the delegate process instead of putting Steve down for all he has done and is doing to help get Ron Paul elected as the GOP nominee.
Does it really matter?
Who really cares if Steve Parent is using a pseudonym?
Isn't he entitled to his privacy?
Isn't that what our Commander in Chief, Dr Ron Paul is all in favour of?
Give it up and simply move on.
It would be nice if Ron Paul Republicans on this site were as vocal as Steve in educating us all in the delegate process. I for one would like to hear Bradley and his followers go on to radio shows or even write articles, enlightening us on the delegate process instead of putting Steve down for all he has done and is doing to help get Ron Paul elected as the GOP nominee.
