Nolan Chart Article - Ron Paul Delegate Wars II ( mention of Dr. Steve Parent)

[Zera]

What does the guy actually do though? He doesn't even live in our country. He is some guy in canada who posts incorrect information on some slightly obscure (no offence) message boards from time to time. Does that really count as helping paul get elected?

Err... I don't know much about him, but from what I read from that article, he goes to meet up groups and helps teach people stuff?

 

[LibertyIn08]

smartguy911, what is it with you and others who want to know if Steve is a real Dr or not?

Does it really matter?

Who really cares if Steve Parent is using a pseudonym?

Isn't he entitled to his privacy?

Isn't that what our Commander in Chief, Dr Ron Paul is all in favour of?

Give it up and simply move on.

It would be nice if Ron Paul Republicans on this site were as vocal as Steve in educating us all in the delegate process. I for one would like to hear Bradley and his followers go on to radio shows or even write articles, enlightening us on the delegate process instead of putting Steve down for all he has done and is doing to help get Ron Paul elected as the GOP nominee.

We've done exactly that by posting the correct information. He is now using his leveraged position to attempt to discredit the correct information.

Just because we're not screaming "Ron Paul Can Win It And If You Don't Support Him You're A Communist!" from the buildings, does not mean that we're not doing the best we can within our own states for delegates and Ron Paul Republicans.

 

[TruthAtLast]

I don't know a lot about Dr Steve nor do I care if he is a real doctor or not. But to those people backing him, I think there are important things to consider.

1. The enthusiasm is great. It is fantastic at this stage in the game for someone to be helping others stay focused on becoming delegates.
2. It DOESN'T MATTER how much enthusiasm you have if you are spreading FALSE information. Not everyone is perfect of course, but he seems to resist any attempt at correcting his "teachings". He (or his followers) has lashed out at virtually everyone that has tried to assist him because he wants to be perceived as THE ULTIMATE authority. To be honest, it is people with this kind of authority complex that we are fighting against. It is these kinds of people that have taken over the Republican party and even if they know they're wrong, they would never EVER admit it.

Who cares how dedicated someone is to the Cause or how much work they do (though I haven't seen anything to confirm this yet) if they are spreading incorrect info. As much as I admire the energy, he could be doing more harm than good. And his "followers" seem to treat him more like a cult leader than just another Ron Paul supporter, which is really all he is.

 

[Debbie Hopper]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

 

[LibertyIn08]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

And there we have it, straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[Bradley in DC]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

Three cheers for Debbie!

And of course, we all want to get as many delegates as we can.

 

[Debbie Hopper]

We're fighting tooth and nail for every delegate we can get and having some incredible successes. We're getting bloodied and bruised along the way too, but learning this process from the inside has been invaluable training for our grassroots leaders that will serve them well in the years to come.

Pat Robertson lost the nomination, two years later, his leaders controlled many state party organizations.

The revolution continues my friends.

 

[Debbie Hopper]

BTW, Alexander, I appreciate you saying straight from the horses mouth, rather than the other end of the beast to which staff are usually compared.

 

[bszoka]

We're fighting tooth and nail for every delegate we can get and having some incredible successes. We're getting bloodied and bruised along the way too, but learning this process from the inside has been invaluable training for our grassroots leader that will serve them well in the years to come.

Pat Robertson lost the nomination, two years later, his leaders controlled many state party organizations.

The revolution continues my friends.

Amen!

 

[LibertyIn08]

BTW, Alexander, I appreciate you saying straight from the horses mouth, rather than the other end of the beast to which staff are usually compared.

Not a problem. From what I've heard from my friends in Missouri, you were quite critical to their success in the state. Thanks for all you've done, and hopefully we'll be able to have a large contingent come September.

Hopefully I'll be there as a volunteer.

 

[Debbie Hopper]

It wasn't me, it was Deb Wells and Ruth Carlson, and the incredible leadership team they built.

All the kudos belong to them.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

Please ban this troll for being divisive. This is not helping the movement.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Please ban this troll for being divisive. This is not helping the movement.

haha.

The day we ban Debbie from Ron Paul Forums, we may as well fold up tent and go home.

I don't agree with every move that HQ has made but there is no doubting her dedication to our goals.

 

[Zera]

Debbie, if you could, please answer this:

You mentioned that the majority of delegates are not Paul supporters. This does make sense. But have a majority of national delegates even been chosen yet?

 

[Debbie Hopper]

There are still 20+ states in various stages of the caucus/convention process to choose their delegates, and another 11 with primaries, some like PA where the delegates are actually elected by primary.

 

[Bradley in DC]

You mentioned that the majority of delegates are not Paul supporters. This does make sense. But have a majority of national delegates even been chosen yet?

According to the Green Papers site (which is pretty authoritative), more than 80% have been allocated:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/ccad.phtml

and most of those are McCain's.

I started a thread about upcoming contests based on the Green Papers site but updated with contributions from RPFs posts:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128018

 

[Debbie Hopper]

Brad, more than 80% of the delegates have been allocated, but 80% of the delegates haven't been chosen.

In Missouri 100% of our delegates have already been allocated to McCain based on the result of our primary election. But 100% of those delegates are not McCain supporters. In fact, most of those 58 delegates haven't even been chosen yet.

27 were elected at Missouri's CD conventions, yesterday. 4 of the 27 are known RP supporters, and if there is any honesty and integrity left in the MO GOP, we'll win a challenged to the CD 2 sham convention and pick up another 3 national convention delegates.

28 more are yet to be chosen. That will happen at our state convention at the end of May.

 

[pepperpete1]

Get Over It!

haha.

The day we ban Debbie from Ron Paul Forums, we may as well fold up tent and go home.

I don't agree with every move that HQ has made but there is no doubting her dedication to our goals.

Anyone who has been posting or lurking here for even a short time would have seen the corrections made by Bradley and others. A discerning reader, will sift and sort the material. Even better, they will research and find out for themselves what is correct.

This ego thing is distracting and negative to the cause. Both sides have been helpful to the supporters of the message and Ron Paul. I posted before that there are somethings they were saying the same thing only in different words.

OK, Dr. Parent (by the way my real name is not pepperpete1 either) may present his info as he sees it through rose colored glasses. That does not make what he says on most things impossible. Long shot? yeah. But I still have my rose colored glasses on.

As for the campaign supporting him, I could care less. I had to do on my own what
Steve has been posting. I wish he had posted before the MI convention. Our state headquarters gave us a bum steer as to what we would encounter and what we would or could do at the convention. Experience is the best teacher, like Bradley says.........but what a hard taskmaster! Had we been forearmed with the information we would have done better. As it is, if we elected any RP supporters they are closet ones.

Bradley and others have also given good and insightful knowledge. He knows from whence he speaks.

Now, both sides need to quit name calling and disparging the other, and insisting that each do this or do that before they will work together. Ditch the sarcasm and negativity. Let's pick up the fight we ALL want to win.

I would like to add that Debbie Hopper and the ladies she mentions in her post, and all the troops in MO are doing one hell of job. I salute all of you. Keep on keepin' on.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Brad, more than 80% of the delegates have been allocated, but 80% of the delegates haven't been chosen.

Hi Debbie,

I posted "allocated." I've not found a good site with a chronology summary of delegates being chosen. If you have one, please share.

And yes, we need to get as many RP delegates to MN as we can for a host of reasons.

 

[LibertyIn08]

I will say that, for sure, McCain has the majority of Illinois Delegates, and most likely will pick up the State Convention's remaining free ones. This is due to our Loophole primary.

California, who does not have a normal convention process, will allocated for McCain as well. (Their state convention has no effect on delegate allocation, and will be after the GOP convention).

As far as I can tell, those states, then, can be counted in the McCain column. Although it is essential we line these conventions as well, for changing state platforms and such.

That is all I am sure on.