Nolan Chart Article - Ron Paul Delegate Wars II ( mention of Dr. Steve Parent)

[orlandoinfl]

This is really cool, our own Dr. Steve Parent got a mention in a Nolan Chart article.

Ron Paul's Delegate Wars (II)
by George Dance

One such true believer is Dr. Steve Parent. A former 6-year Democratic functionary, Dr. Parent now serves as unofficial commander of the Delegate Wars. Since February he has been explaining the strategy on RPR venues like The Daily Paul and Ron Paul Forums.

Parent points out that, of the 2,380 GOP National Delegates, 651 are unbound. If that percentage holds true for McCain's share, then, of his over 1,300 pledged delegates, less than 1,000 are bound. If just 225 of McCain's unbound delegates defect (to anyone) on the first ballot, he will not get a majority and there will be a second ballot (for which he will have only 650 bound delegates). At that point, it will be any nominated candidate's convention to win.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3508.html

 

[brandon]

I still want to know how on earth a delusional, illiterate egomaniac like "dr." Parent manages to get so much respect and so many followers.

 

[Soccrmastr]

I still want to know how on earth a delusional, illiterate egomaniac like "dr." Parent manages to get so much respect and so many followers.

care to explain this comment? I dont know much about him.

 

[humanic]

care to explain this comment? I dont know much about him.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131921&highlight=humanic

Read the whole way through (if you dare). By the end you'll understand.

 

[orlandoinfl]

I still want to know how on earth a delusional, illiterate egomaniac like "dr." Parent manages to get so much respect and so many followers.

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

 

[yongrel]

This Steve Parent character is a loon.

 

[Kludge]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=1899114

"You Decide". Some questionable content in there for sure.... Better then George though

 

[LibertyIn08]

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

He's shown himself to not understand multiple facets of the election process, and meanwhile attacks those who are attempting to help him fix his misinformation.

 

[smartguy911]

what kind of Doctor is he?

 

[orlandoinfl]

lol, you people have concentrated on all but the following: Get Ron Paul the nomination. If Steve is factually wrong, correct him. What's the obsession over him anyways, he's just a person like you and I. Is he 100% precise in every statement? No. Are you? No.

THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS RON PAUL. Read the State Party Rules, Read the National Party Rules, Learn Robert's Rules of Order. That's all it's about really.

 

[brandon]

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

I have secured ballot access as a delegate candidate to the RNC.

http://www.ronpaulpa.com/dist1.php

My state will vote on the delegates this tuesday, and we are trying our best to run an effective grassroots campaign to win.

I have not given up, but "Dr." Parent is a fraud.

 

[Phantom]

I'm with you orlandoinfl

 

[LibertyIn08]

You said to correct him when he has misinformation.

The problem is, he refuses to change said information, or results to ad hominem attacks. He is not willing to correct his mistakes, and is pushing away people who could be of great assistance.

 

[brandon]

what kind of Doctor is he?

He has claimed to be a physician, but refuses to give his license # or state where he practices. Just read anything at all that he has written and you will see his writing technique is about on par with a 12 year old. I'm not a grammar nazi, but if you dont have at least a high school level of proficiency in the English language, you are not an MD

 

[Tarzan]

what kind of Doctor is he?

He has said he is an ENT (ear, nose & throat). But, so much of the information he has provided is just flat wrong that anything he says is highly suspect.

The unfortunate part is that his false information is leading some folks down the wrong path and wasting everyone's time... like posting to these threads.

The delegate process is different in each state. It is unfortunate we do not have a single authoritative source for this information; but we do not. In lieu of that, please read your state's GOP rules to learn how the process actually works.

If you will be attending a precinct, senate, district, state or national convention be sure to become as familiar with the rules of order as well. Knowing the rules of the game are essential in this process.

Don't listen to "Dr. Steve"... he is just wasting our time.

 

[humanic]

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

Questioning "Doctor" Steve Parent on faulty delegate tips and his dubious autobiographical information is not equivalent to giving up on the Ron Paul campaign, as much as his cheerleaders pretend it is.

lol, you people have concentrated on all but the following: Get Ron Paul the nomination.

See above. I spend all of my free time working to get Ron Paul the nomination but that doesn't change the fact that I think "Doctor" Steve Parent is a fraud.

If Steve is factually wrong, correct him.

This has been done over and over and he responds with childish ad hominem attacks.

THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS RON PAUL. Read the State Party Rules, Read the National Party Rules, Learn Robert's Rules of Order. That's all it's about really.

Good advice. I don't think any of the people who think "Doctor" Steve is a fraud disagree with that.

 

[orlandoinfl]

IF you ever listen to Dr Steve, the first thing he says is to Read State Party Rules and Laws.

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

 

[LibertyIn08]

IF you ever listen to Dr Steve, the first thing he says is to Read State Party Rules and Laws.

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

He's also pointed to links with incorrect information on the state rules.

There is a perfectly good reason.

 

[brandon]

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

We just listed several good reasons. Did you not read what we wrote?

If he was just some guy giving his opinion on the forum, no one would be attacking him. Instead, he thinks he is a self-appointed leader and representative of this movement. That is why we attack him.

 

[Bradley in DC]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131921&highlight=humanic

Read the whole way through (if you dare). By the end you'll understand.

The more substantive ones are here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=132022

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1388470&postcount=29

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389261&postcount=2

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1391253&postcount=4

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389251&postcount=9

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389444&postcount=15

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389768&postcount=25

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389984&postcount=9

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392371&postcount=10

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1391958&postcount=3

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1391994&postcount=12

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392127&postcount=29

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392199&postcount=40

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392701&postcount=7

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393001&postcount=21

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393084&postcount=23

HAHAHAHAHA:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393111&postcount=24

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393115&postcount=25

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393134&postcount=26
Is it possible i made mistakes? I do not believe they were mistakes i would consider them to vague of an statement which i will gladly admit guilt on.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393227&postcount=27

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393346&postcount=28

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393149&postcount=30

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393832&postcount=33

Steve,

Please correct your DailyPaul post you link to from here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/42901

Now with this part, I think you are just being unnecessarily vague to the point of being wrong:

I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry, as I am going to go into how this all works. So read and then read again, if you need to.

Did you know that the delegates can actually vote to unbind their delegates that are bound by state rules?

Did you know that delegates can actually overturn any previous vote?

Did you know the delegates have control of the entire process?​

Let's take DC and the other primary states: There are no state conventions, the only "delegates" we have are the national nominating convention delegates who have no ability nor opportunity to do anything like what you say we could do.

Since we're all agreed you have gone a bit overboard with generalizations, etc. Correcting "details" that are factually inaccurate--at least in some places--with qualifiers would help avoid the confusion you are causing.

Now with this selection:

First, stop looking at who wins each state’s popular vote. For most of the states, the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and has no real bearing on who will become the nominee.​

Votes do count--either directly electing national nominating convention delegates, meeting thresholds to get delegates, or choosing state delegates that choose the national nominating convention delegates.

The only way this matters is if one person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to a candidate.​

Now, as we've discussed here, this statement is factually inaccurate. Either delusional or a lie. Period. A candidate can get the nomination on the first vote and avoid a brokered convention with the votes of BOUND AND UNBOUND delegates.

So if a candidate like McCain now has 586 HARD DELEGATES but if he doesn't reach 1191, WHICH HE MAY NOT, most of the delegates the state “awarded” him mean nothing.​

Now, thank you for changing the factual error that McCain could not reach 1191 votes to "may not." It would help if you used the correct terms that cause confusion and replace "hard delegates" with "bound delegates."

Keep in mind that in most of the states most of the people that represent the 1200 for McCain are actually Ron Paul supporters, Romney and Huck people.​

I sincerely hope you're right, I really do, but yes, I'm dubious.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393882&postcount=34

and a medical doctor questioning "Dr." Steve's mental state:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1395169&postcount=39

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1394184&postcount=1

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1395480&postcount=3

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396242&postcount=8

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396425&postcount=17

Steve,

In the OP you say I said things I never said:
Hello Bradley, ...

Dr. Paul only needs the actual people that are elected to be the majority of delegates in ANY 5 states to be placed on the ballot at the RNC in September and he DOES NOT have to win 5 state primary votes to obtain the delegates.
But in fact I have never said any such thing. In this thread I pointed out my discussion of the issue here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384
Lie
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression
I have nothing confused. You are lying now since you know what you say is factually wrong, an untrue statment with the intent to deceive, since I have explained it here in this thread and here you are obviously reading that what you say is wrong.

I have asked you to correct your misstatements both here when you lie about what I say and on Daily Paul and your other posts where you deceive others with false information about the delegate process:
Steve: The only way this matters is if one person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to a candidate.
Bradley: Now, as we've discussed here, this statement is factually inaccurate. Either delusional or a lie. Period. A candidate can get the nomination on the first vote and avoid a brokered convention with the votes of BOUND AND UNBOUND delegates.
You know it is not true even while you deny saying it:
Bradley: Would you please clarify (again) that McCain (or anyone else!) can get the nomination from the majority of votes of bound AND unbound delegates at the national nominating convention (at the first or subsequent votes)?

Steve : I have never denied that for of course it is possible which is why i have said many times if we do not get our number of delegates registered and elected we will have no shot at winning at all and i have never tried to hide the fact that we could lose and this would be a battle to win either way.
So yes, liar or delusional, but I'd defer to a real medical doctor...

Bragging about how many you mislead is less impressive than unfounded professional claims.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396447&postcount=19

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1397772&postcount=22

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1397827&postcount=24

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1397862&postcount=26

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396631&postcount=28