No One But Paul. I meant it.

[Dogsoldier]

I posted in No One But Paul. I meant it. Where is it now?

 

[CaseyJones]

I posted in No One But Paul. I meant it. Where is it now?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-in-November&p=4704043&viewfull=1#post4704043

 

[Dogsoldier]

LOL...Now I'm confused.Why was it moved there?

 

[CaseyJones]

LOL...Now I'm confused.Why was it moved there?

I myself did not move it but I imagine it is because this is a NOBP thread, not a NOBP except GJ thread

 

[Captain Shays]

They can in a thread about that in the right place, but a thread on a topic is supposed to be about that topic. Constant solicitations for something you already know you don't want are unpleasant.

The difference between what you said and what I said is I think Ron rejects the current version of the Fair Tax which I believe has an income tax AND a sales tax.

I agree if thats the case but when he made that comment it was still the older version that required a repeal of the 16th Amendment. And, there is a HUGE difference between "constant solicitation" and expressing my OWN opinion. I never told anyone why they should vote or who they should vote for. I only expressed my transition from NOBP to support for Gary Johnson. An extension of that opinion is my belief that we're all still on the same side at the end of the day

 

[MelissaWV]

That is a Florida ballot Which means mine will have company.

 

[sailingaway]

I agree if thats the case but when he made that comment it was still the older version that required a repeal of the 16th Amendment. And, there is a HUGE difference between "constant solicitation" and expressing my OWN opinion. I never told anyone why they should vote or who they should vote for. I only expressed my transition from NOBP to support for Gary Johnson. An extension of that opinion is my belief that we're all still on the same side at the end of the day

I would expect that to be true, but there is still organization on the forums, hard money isn't in health freedom and GJ solicitation isn't for Ron Paul subforum. People are here to discuss Ron Paul and are in the PROPER subforum for that, they didn't come here to be recruiting material for a different candidate. Everyone knows where to go for discussion on that candidate.

About the fair tax my point is that if GJ is for it in its current version, it is not the same as when Ron said he would 'probably vote for it' if it abolished the income tax completely, so comparing Ron's 'probably vote for it' doesn't really apply.

 

[Captain Shays]

I would expect that to be true, but there is still organization on the forums, hard money isn't in health freedom and GJ solicitation isn't for Ron Paul subforum. People are here to discuss Ron Paul and are in the PROPER subforum for that, they didn't come here to be recruiting material for a different candidate. Everyone knows where to go for discussion on that candidate.

About the fair tax my point is that if GJ is for it in its current version, it is not the same as when Ron said he would 'probably vote for it' if it abolished the income tax completely, so comparing Ron's 'probably vote for it' doesn't really apply.

I really wish you would stop saying that am soliciting for Gary Johnson. I'm not. I only expressed my own thoughts and if that offends somebody then so be it. Everyone is free to make up their own minds and vote their own conscience and most of the people around here I find, are among THE most well informed voters I have seen anywhere. Including you. It didn't really occur to me that the Fairtax had been altered from it's original stance on repealing the 16th Amendment and before I cast my vote for Johnson I want to be very clear on his position on that because I totally agree with Ron Paul that we could find ourselves with BOTH a national sales tax and a graduated income tax.....my worst nightmare

 

[MelissaWV]

I really wish you would stop saying that am soliciting for Gary Johnson. I'm not. I only expressed my own thoughts and if that offends somebody then so be it. Everyone is free to make up their own minds and vote their own conscience and most of the people around here I find, are among THE most well informed voters I have seen anywhere. Including you. It didn't really occur to me that the Fairtax had been altered from it's original stance on repealing the 16th Amendment and before I cast my vote for Johnson I want to be very clear on his position on that because I totally agree with Ron Paul that we could find ourselves with BOTH a national sales tax and a graduated income tax.....my worst nightmare

I think sailing might be speaking more in general, trying to respond to your questions/objections. If you read the thread, and others out there, there is no shortage of people saying that writing in Ron is a waste, stupid, silly, etc., and that Gary Johnson is the only vote that makes sense.

 

[sailingaway]

I want to be very clear on his position on that because I totally agree with Ron Paul that we could find ourselves with BOTH a national sales tax and a graduated income tax.....my worst nightmare

I don't want to mislead you, but someone else is going to have to give you more facts. My understanding is that Huckabee who supported it conceded that when you get into the weeds of it in the 'early years' there is still an income tax which transitions out. I have read that a few places and Ron has been very clear that he would only consider it with outright abolition of the income tax because people have been trying to put in a national sales tax for too long and he doesn't think it, or the income tax, would go away if they are both there. Since the fair tax wasn't a huge part of my own analysis I didn't personally work through what would happen year one or year two etc., and if it is an important issue to you, I don't want to mislead you on it. My understanding is that the abolition of income tax is a downline projection, however.

 

[Captain Shays]

I don't want to mislead you, but someone else is going to have to give you more facts. My understanding is that Huckabee who supported it conceded that when you get into the weeds of it in the 'early years' there is still an income tax which transitions out. I have read that a few places and Ron has been very clear that he would only consider it with outright abolition of the income tax because people have been trying to put in a national sales tax for too long and he doesn't think it, or the income tax, would go away if they are both there. Since the fair tax wasn't a huge part of my own analysis I didn't personally work through what would happen year one or year two etc., and if it is an important issue to you, I don't want to mislead you on it. My understanding is that the abolition of income tax is a downline projection, however.

It always was an important issue with me since from 2000 onward I heavily promoted the Fairtax. I was a volunteer for them and plastered their stickers all over the place, talked to literallyTHOUSANDS of people about it, and promoted it on various political discussion forums. I admit that I haven't kept up to date on everything and of course I more favored Ron Paul's position that we could repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS/income tax and replace it with nothing and my ONLY support EVER relative to the Fairtax was IF they also repealed the 16th and abolished the income tax. I'll check into it because if Johnson doesn't want to repeal it, it might be a deal killer for my support for him. I also want to make it clarion clear that IF I vote for Johnson I would do it with the intention and understanding that the establishment will see my vote for him as a vote for Ron Paul.

 

[ShaganOverman]

Its not about winning. Its about 5%. How about helping the rest of the liberty movement make progress. While your at it maybe quit it with the draconian forums moderating.

 

[CPUd]

Its not about winning. Its about 5%. How about helping the rest of the liberty movement make progress. While your at it maybe quit it with the draconian forums moderating.

Some people believe in voting their conscience, or not voting on that line at all, rather than voting strategically. You are posting in a section full of those people.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Some people believe in voting their conscience, or not voting on that line at all, rather than voting strategically. You are posting in a section forum full of those people.

fify

 

[XTreat]

Ron Paul told me to do what I want.

I am not stupid, I can understand English, I have a logical mind capable of rational decision making.

I have been waiting for four years to cast that vote. I was serious about No One But Paul.

 

[jcannon98188]

Ron Paul told me to do what I want.

I am not stupid, I can understand English, I have a logical mind capable of rational decision making.

I have been waiting for four years to cast that vote. I was serious about No One But Paul.

QFT. +rep

 

[sailingaway]

Its not about winning. Its about 5%. How about helping the rest of the liberty movement make progress. While your at it maybe quit it with the draconian forums moderating.

No, I won't quit, but I'll leave this because the forum already answered you.

Future posts pushing other candidates in Ron Paul's subforum and particularly in threads by Ron Paul supporters supporting voting for Ron Paul will be moved to 2012 presidential election section.

 

[Tudo]

ONLY Ron Paul

FYIThose supporting johnson are no different then those who supported bob barr and all those people are different from the libertarians who supported Jacob Hornberger, Harry Browne, Ron Paul, .

 

[RonPaul101.com]

Some people believe in voting their conscience, or not voting on that line at all, rather than voting strategically. You are posting in a section full of those people.

Of course people can vote how they want, and should vote their conscience. I'm sure over 100 people in the nation will write-in "God", and maybe 20-30 people will write-in "Eli Manning", and some 10,000 may write-in Ron Paul (none of which are candidates for President this Tuesday.)

I think certain people miss the point with this discussion between write-in RP and vote GJ. My understanding is it's merely a discussion and no one is trying to take away someone's right to vote how they see fit. We are all on the same side of fighting the twin party system, we just seem to have different approaches. Some want to vote their conscience regardless and others believe it's going to be a results oriented election.

We shouldn't forget we're the same army fighting on the same side, and this discussion is about attacking our opposition from one side versus attacking from another and like it or not it's a discussion worth having for the benefit of our fight. Why some folks are lashing out against discussing these points is a little unclear (is it that big of a deal where the discussion takes place?) While campaigning in the primary I notice when a Gingrich or Santorum supporter told me "you have no right to ask me that, or I don't have to answer to that" it meant they knew it was plausible that they were wrong, or at the very least ashamed of their point of view.

So I welcome those who want to say "we're writing-in RP because I want to honor the man" or "because I met him on the campaign trail and I promised him I would, etc.,. those replies would be fine. It's the replies of "how dare you mention another candidate in this thread..." those stances have me concerned for our army and our fight. For those afraid of having the discussion, look in the mirror before voting and make sure you are voting your conscience.

Since I may still be offending "the protocol" of this thread and that is not my intention, I will go start my own thread for discussion. Hopefully folks can freely voice their opinions on the best course of action for Tuesday's vote.

 

[sailingaway]

Of course people can vote how they want, and should vote their conscience. I'm sure over 100 people in the nation will write-in "God", and maybe 20-30 people will write-in "Eli Manning", and some 10,000 may write-in Ron Paul (none of which are candidates for President this Tuesday.)

I think certain people miss the point with this discussion between write-in RP and vote GJ. My understanding is it's merely a discussion and no one is trying to take away someone's right to vote how they see fit. We are all on the same side of fighting the twin party system, we just seem to have different approaches. Some want to vote their conscience regardless and others believe it's going to be a results oriented election.

We shouldn't forget we're the same army fighting on the same side, and this discussion is about attacking our opposition from one side versus attacking from another and like it or not it's a discussion worth having for the benefit of our fight. Why some folks are lashing out against discussing these points is a little unclear (is it that big of a deal where the discussion takes place?) While campaigning in the primary I notice when a Gingrich or Santorum supporter told me "you have no right to ask me that, or I don't have to answer to that" it meant they knew it was plausible that they were wrong, or at the very least ashamed of their point of view.

So I welcome those who want to say "we're writing-in RP because I want to honor the man" or "because I met him on the campaign trail and I promised him I would, etc.,. those replies would be fine. It's the replies of "how dare you mention another candidate in this thread..." those stances have me concerned for our army and our fight. For those afraid of having the discussion, look in the mirror before voting and make sure you are voting your conscience.

Since I may still be offending "the protocol" of this thread and that is not my intention, I will go start my own thread for discussion. Hopefully folks can freely voice their opinions on the best course of action for Tuesday's vote.

absolutely, in the proper section, In the section specifically supporting Ron Paul, his supporters are allowed to refine the Ron Paulness of the election, likely his last.