Nicotine Test as Job Requirement

[pcosmar]

I like to have sex, that doesn't mean I have to take a break every hour and go have a sex break.

Well, I guess it just depends on the job.

I have background checks that are keeping me unemployed,, (and I don't know why)

It is another intrusion in my private life.

I suppose it just depends on what your personal dignity is worth. $$$?

 

[KingNothing]

For what it's worth, a study recently came out that found smokers to be away from their work on average 5-6 weeks per year due to smoke breaks. That's to say nothing about potential costs to the employer and health insurers due to the negative physical consequences of smoking.


I really don't see anything wrong with a private entity setting the terms by which employees must abide.

 

[otherone]

If you were running a company, wouldn't you want to know as much as possible about the people you were hiring?

NO.

There can be a BAZILLION ways to disqualify a prospective employee. Business is business. Personal is personal. Employers need only know who can make them the most scratch. Jesus. This is America....

 

[tod evans]

Well there was no way for smokers at this job to be able to smoke on the job. There's no way they could smoke and handle somebodies food at the same time. Customers would not like that. Additionally, we couldn't have employees smoking while handling customers either.

Even if you were at an office type of job, no non-smoker should be forced to breath in that crap. If you want to smoke, do it on your own time. I like to have sex, that doesn't mean I have to take a break every hour and go have a sex break.

And here you are buying into social engineering lock stock and barrel.

It should be up to the employer to decide if they choose to permit smoking in their place of business not some socially conscious do-gooder.

Obesity is as harmful as secondhand smoke..........I find people who won't fit into my jeans offensive........Should I start lobbying to mandate size 30 waist britches for all employees?

Where social engineering goes wrong is when people try to legislate other peoples behavior "for their own good"....that and believing that an employee has the "right" to tell his boss how to run the business.

Claiming that smokers are less productive while insisting that they leave production to smoke is counter-intuitive.

I can understand the "no-smoking" rule in fast food service and so should the smoking employees, that rule was there before they hired on.....Where I have issue is the state telling restaurants that the owner can't permit smoking in his establishment.

Please be careful about what you deem acceptable just because it suits you.......Remember the ol'; "until they came for me" saying.

 

[tod evans]

Seriously? There are all kinds of ways to collect DNA, and all kinds of drug testing methods that employers use to screen potential employees. If you were running a company, wouldn't you want to know as much as possible about the people you were hiring?

I only want to know they can perform the job and make me money.

 

[tttppp]

And here you are buying into social engineering lock stock and barrel.

It should be up to the employer to decide if they choose to permit smoking in their place of business not some socially conscious do-gooder.

Obesity is as harmful as secondhand smoke..........I find people who won't fit into my jeans offensive........Should I start lobbying to mandate size 30 waist britches for all employees?

Where social engineering goes wrong is when people try to legislate other peoples behavior "for their own good"....that and believing that an employee has the "right" to tell his boss how to run the business.

Claiming that smokers are less productive while insisting that they leave production to smoke is counter-intuitive.

I can understand the "no-smoking" rule in fast food service and so should the smoking employees, that rule was there before they hired on.....Where I have issue is the state telling restaurants that the owner can't permit smoking in his establishment.

Please be careful about what you deem acceptable just because it suits you.......Remember the ol'; "until they came for me" saying.

As an employer I would not allow employees to smoke while handling food or customers, regardless of what the law says.

 

[tod evans]

For what it's worth, a study recently came out that found smokers to be away from their work on average 5-6 weeks per year due to smoke breaks. That's to say nothing about potential costs to the employer and health insurers due to the negative physical consequences of smoking.


I really don't see anything wrong with a private entity setting the terms by which employees must abide.

Absolutely!

And shouldn't the owner of the company be permitted to let his employees smoke if he wants to?

Just like Hooters hires women with big boobs why can't the owner of a humidor permit smoking of his product in his establishment?

 

[otherone]

That's to say nothing about potential costs to the employer and health insurers due to the negative physical consequences of smoking.
I really don't see anything wrong with a private entity setting the terms by which employees must abide.

Let's not hire if employees BMI is 30 or higher...or if they have bad teeth....family history? Prone to high blood pressure? NO THANKS! You have a lead foot.....NO THANKS! Let's check your house for possible carcinogens? Your car rated pretty low on Road and Tracks ratings....Black? Sickle-cell anemia? Aids-prone? wink-wink...credit history? Let's see those 6th grade science fair projects....cane sugar? HFCS?

 

[tod evans]

As an employer I would not allow employees to smoke while handling food or customers, regardless of what the law says.

Okay..........But would you grant your competition the right to let his employees smoke?

See I'm all for you having the freedom to run your business.........please let me run mine too.

 

[tttppp]

Okay..........But would you grant your competition the right to let his employees smoke?

See I'm all for you having the freedom to run your business.........please let me run mine too.

Sure you can do that. But most of your customers will eventually come to me after they cigarette butts in their food.

 

[pcosmar]

Sure you can do that. But most of your customers will eventually come to me after they cigarette butts in their food.

Oh please,, Like that happens any more often than a band-aid or fingertip in the food.

 

[tod evans]

Oh please,, Like that happens any more often than a band-aid or fingertip in the food.

Maybe.......just maybe.......an overbearing boss might cause his employees to sabotage the business?

 

[tttppp]

Oh please,, Like that happens any more often than a band-aid or fingertip in the food.

So your customers would appreciate having employees smoke while handling their food?

 

[otherone]

So your customers would appreciate having employees smoke while handling their food?

THIS.
It's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The MARKET should decide this nonsense....not folks with 'sensitivities'.

 

[tttppp]

THIS.
It's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The MARKET should decide this nonsense.

I agree. Thats why I said I like the idea of a company recognizing that smokers on average produce less. It the companies right to discriminate.

 

[otherone]

I agree. Thats why I said I like the idea of a company recognizing that smokers on average produce less. It the companies right to discriminate.

It's not discrimination when it's based on productivity. When a smoker out-performs 4 non-smokers, then you fire the four non-smokers. $$$$$ makes right.

 

[tod evans]

So your customers would appreciate having employees smoke while handling their food?

In the town I live in the eating establishments in town don't permit smoking.........All around town new restaurants are springing up outside city limits that do permit smoking.

The ones in town are shutting their doors one-by-one....

 

[pcosmar]

So your customers would appreciate having employees smoke while handling their food?

No. And as I said. Even though I smoked on the job didn't mean I did stupid stuff.
There is no problem with no smoking areas,, and that having designated smoking areas is a good idea for employers. However smoking off the job and on my own time is an issue.

 

[MelissaWV]

you are in the medical field correct? could just be my perspective from a different field.

Proofreader, data entry clerk, admin assistant, data order provisioning, cellphone store clerk, order fulfillment, accounts payable, collections...

Pretty much anything clerical for years

 

[Brian Coulter]

Where social engineering goes wrong is when people try to legislate other peoples behavior "for their own good...

This is never the reason. It's almost always the insurance lobby. Seatbelts, air bags, helmet laws, smoking bans, anti-gun laws..etc. If some insurance company actuary says changing a certain behavior will save them 0.000002% in claims paid the lobbyists go to work. What's even more fucked up is a most of the time we end up paying for all these new regulations in the form of higher prices on goods and services forced to comply.

Trust me, there are very few laws or regulations passed for our "own good", even if some do happen to improve our quality of life, most likely that was not their intent.