Honestly many of us here are limited in our understanding of what may happen in NH due to the fact that we are not there. Only people in NH can really say how well they think Ron Paul will do there. I know we've done a stronger campaign in NH than in Iowa, the question is now whether that extra effort there is going to pay off. Do you think the polls are off in NH? They weren't off in Iowa. (Please don't post here if you think Iowa was rigged, I voted in the caucuses there... and I believe the official numbers) I'd love to believe that we will win NH, but I'm not there and I can't say that's why I'm petitioning you the NH supporters to tell us your opinions.
NH supporters... what do you think will happen?
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I keep pointing this out but Iowa had fairly low turnout, except for a very high turnout of Evangelicals. New Hampshire doesn't have that factor working against Paul. Also the organization and grassroots in New Hampshire is light years ahead of what it was in Iowa.
Turnout killed us in Iowa, but that won't be the problem in New Hampshire. People who are there can talk about this in more detail than me, but that's what I've seen from many NH supporters.
Turnout killed us in Iowa, but that won't be the problem in New Hampshire. People who are there can talk about this in more detail than me, but that's what I've seen from many NH supporters.
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Free State Project has brought a few thousand people there. We sent all the NY Meetup, Pa Meetup, NJ Meetup members there... used phone banks... currently making 68,000 Automated calls with polling information and Ron Paul messages... we may very well tell a few McCain supporters how to get to the polls--but they'll also be hearing McCain's voice on the line saying "100 years in Iraq"
Even George Bush would call him a moron.
Honestly I don't know anymore, unless he comes first, maybe second then it's all over already. I am absoulutely shocked that the American people were offered freedom and an end to sons being killed in bullshit wars and it looks like that is being rejected. But more over I am really pissed at the campaign staff with thier lame ads, totally bullshit LAAAAAME campaign. I am still shaking my head in disbelief how this winning message was not sold easily.
Be careful with the negative comments since it's only your second comment here. Some may jump to the conclusion that you're a Troll, I'm not calling you that, but that kind of name calling is all to prevalent here. By the way I'm pissed with my home state of Iowa, however I don't think Iowa has anywhere near the organizational strength that NH has so I'm cautiously optimistic.
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I really want to remainoptimistic, but I'd be a liar if I said that the Iowa results and then Wyoming, didnt knock me down quite a few pegs.
I've spent much conversation time with naysayers in pointing out how flawed the polling is, only to have them all laugh in my face when they were almost dead money in Iowa.
Maybe I'm just a little Gun shy, or maybe I'm just let down that the Redskins and Ron Paul lost big contests in the same week!
I've spent much conversation time with naysayers in pointing out how flawed the polling is, only to have them all laugh in my face when they were almost dead money in Iowa.
Maybe I'm just a little Gun shy, or maybe I'm just let down that the Redskins and Ron Paul lost big contests in the same week!
Yeah exactly and that is probably why the campaign seemed so lame, they had to come accross so politically correct and make sure noone was ever offened that they seemed so soft and fairy like that people got scared that the islamofascists were just gonna take iover as soon as fairy president won, that also goes toward the forums with thier, oooh don't say that people will think we are nuts or extreme, WTF is wrong with being extreme about wanting the constitution as the law of the land? Political correctedness killed Ron Paul's campaign! They made it seem we were extreme that we wanted the constitution as the law.
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Double digits again would be good and we would keep our momentum. Beating one major candidate (Ghoul) would be excellent and further our momentum. Everything else (3rd place or better) would be a sensation.
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When a message like Ron Paul's cannot be sold easily, and the substance is overlooked for style, it is shocking - and in the end you have to blame the american people. Being a Canadian, believe me I'm not saying we're any different - style over substance, apathy and ignorance now seems to be the norm. A high powered professional campaign could have helped perhaps - get the thinkers with the substance, pull in the rest with the style I suppose. It's not like they didn't have anything to work with - there was a grassroots uprising like never before for Ron Paul, hundreds of people made great youtube vids, logo's were invented (I always liked the revolutionary throwing flowers), and then there's the unparalelled chant "Ron Paul revolution - legalize the constitution", the blimp, the massive turnouts for talk shows.
It's NOT too late if all this starts in ernest, but I haven't read about Ron Paul pulling in any big campaign guru.
But if someone as stale, old, and tired - and ornery (he almost got boo-d last night) as John McCain can win, then what hope is there really? Not that the rest are any better, but if I was a style over substance type from last night I'd have said Rudy was the only way to go - and sadly, his constant interrupting and comandeering the mike probably helped him. But if John McCain wins I think we can all conclude we might as well be trying to teach math to monkeys.
The fact remains Ron Paul is the only one with the right message, he did speak it last night, and if that's not enough it is a sad state of affairs.
Only 12 delegates
Don't overreact, no matter what happens. New Hampshire only gets 12 delegates, out of 2400 at the national convention.
As long as Ron Paul keeps earning 10% of the vote or more, Americans will continue to see him as a serious contender, which he is. That's the biggest battle right now -- overcoming months of media mis-portrayals of his chances.
Don't overreact, no matter what happens. New Hampshire only gets 12 delegates, out of 2400 at the national convention.
As long as Ron Paul keeps earning 10% of the vote or more, Americans will continue to see him as a serious contender, which he is. That's the biggest battle right now -- overcoming months of media mis-portrayals of his chances.
Not at all
Nevada is a low turnout caucus where we could outwork everyone else and surprise the world.
Michigan is an open primary, and the Democrats have dynamited both ends of the bridge, with themselves in the middle of it.
Ron Paul has 3 offices in South Carolina, the blimp on the way, and the race there is closer than anywhere else, with NO ONE above 20%.
Let's not set ourselves up for defeat -- let's keep working to win, and realizing that this is a 50-state marathon, not a 3-state sprint.
Nevada is a low turnout caucus where we could outwork everyone else and surprise the world.
Michigan is an open primary, and the Democrats have dynamited both ends of the bridge, with themselves in the middle of it.
Ron Paul has 3 offices in South Carolina, the blimp on the way, and the race there is closer than anywhere else, with NO ONE above 20%.
Let's not set ourselves up for defeat -- let's keep working to win, and realizing that this is a 50-state marathon, not a 3-state sprint.
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Some of you really need to wake up. It is COMPLETELY over if he cannot get 3rd place. For you that think its a 50 state strategy, try convincing a voter to vote for a man that has not placed higher than 5th place in a primary. There are way to many fanboys on this board that simply don't understand that people want to vote for a winner.
3rd place in NH is actually pitiful considering they are the most free state in the nation.
3rd place in NH is actually pitiful considering they are the most free state in the nation.
Well I so hope to God you are right. but hell man you know as well as I that this campaign better change tactics really quick because so far this boat has holes that we are trying to patch up.
The campaign need to make it black and white.
Do you want freedom or do you want to be slave workers to the Fed reserve to pay off loans made to the Government ?
Do you want other people's kids and eventually yours to die in wars so the Oil Industry and the Military industry can make huge profits?
No more tippy toeing by the campaign! Straight to the point and let people decide!
Take matching funds, it's our money anyway and get the message of freedom out NOW! That is the only way we are going to win.
ps, no more fucking lame ads!
If Ron Paul doesn't get 2nd or 3rd in NH
I would have to question his viability (as a Republican candidate). Staying in the race would give good coverage and face-time for an eventual independent bid. But coming into the convention with even 20% of the delegates is meaningless. Who cares if he gets to speak at the convention (probably at 2:00 AM). Any say on the party platform is meaningless - these guys don't even follow the Constitution, why would they care about their own party platform. What is the value of getting a promise from McCain, Romney or the Huckster to abolish the Dept. of Education?
Don't even entertain the though of a VP slot. It won't be offered and I don't think Paul would take it if it were offered.
Even so, I am pleasantly surprised how far he has come.
As an independent I will be with him till November.
I would have to question his viability (as a Republican candidate). Staying in the race would give good coverage and face-time for an eventual independent bid. But coming into the convention with even 20% of the delegates is meaningless. Who cares if he gets to speak at the convention (probably at 2:00 AM). Any say on the party platform is meaningless - these guys don't even follow the Constitution, why would they care about their own party platform. What is the value of getting a promise from McCain, Romney or the Huckster to abolish the Dept. of Education?
Don't even entertain the though of a VP slot. It won't be offered and I don't think Paul would take it if it were offered.
Even so, I am pleasantly surprised how far he has come.
As an independent I will be with him till November.
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I disagree. If he increases his percentage from Iowa and beats Huckabee, Giuliani, and Thompson (i.e. comes in 3rd) he'll get a big boost. The polls in those states will increase once he shows that he's got as good a chance as the rest of the field.
Of course, 1st or 2nd would be a lot better.
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