NFL HELL: Owners/TV networks face mounting losses as Trump called boycotts spread

[helmuth_hubener]

Socialists do not have a 'right' to be socialist -- if they did, freedom would be an impossible absurdity.

Ender claims (and correct me if I've misunderstood, Ender! (I haven't)) all the different flavors of tyranny have the 'right' to do what they want to do -- namely, to tyrannize and terrorize us in all the innumerable colorful ways that Ender wants preserved -- and yet we also have the right to be rid of them. Wait, what? Exactly. It is one or the other. Either the rainbow nation tyrants have the 'right' to wave their rainbow flags over us and stomp us with their rainbow boots, or we decent people have the right to hang such critters from the lampposts.

Tyrants do not have a 'right' to be a tyrant.

Duh!

I mean, I think everyone here (other than Ender and SJWs or others of the Rabbit-leaning persuasion) can agree: this is stupid to have to be explaining this.

"And, yes, you did accuse me [of siding with socialists]"

Uhh, yeah: duh! Because, like, you did! Is that, like, fair and junk to point out, like, obvious stuff that actually happened?

If not, totally my bad.


"As for my ministry:

[video eating lots of sugar]"

So you love sugar. You're a dopamine addict. Gotta love that dopamine rush you get from that good, good, white powder suga, eh?

So... obese?

And your ministry is I guess promoting obesity, convincing other kids to become obese, and preaching obesity tolerance?

This is yet another way you are going to get cross-ways with the K-Selected. To us, the obese should be ridiculed, scorned, and shunned by normal society. At minimum they should be very much looked down upon. These are people with a lack of self-control, lack of self-discipline, who are too stupid or too worthless to notice when they are becoming unhealthily plump and to do something about it.

Eating sugar is stupid.

Supporting socialists' alleged "right" to be socialists and thus to cram socialism down your throat is stupid.

The Negro Felon League is stupid.

There's, like, a lot of stupid stuff out there! It's a beautiful rainbow of stupid, it's true. Too bad meanie-pantses like me would rather extinctify this vibrant rainbow instead of working to Preserve and Cherish and cOeXiSt!1 with it.

 

[euphemia]

Are you are talking to me?

No, just generally saying that market forces come into play faster in the entertainment industry than any other.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

[MENTION=9064]Ender[/MENTION] [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION]

I'm waitng.................

Come on now, don't lump in Tulsa with Ender. Tulsa one time said something positive about the horrible, evil, murdering tyrant Nelson Mandela, and even then only in a round-about way (that 'the swamp' supposedly killed him or whatever (good riddance) and so maybe the enemy of our enemy... anyway, he made the effort to make it indirect, you see?). Anyone can make a slip-up. That's all it is. A slip-up.

As long as he now shuts up about it and does not "double down" and say further complimentary things about Nelson Mandela, who obviously was a horrible, evil, murdering tyrant, and someone as smart as acptulsa can of course see this obvious fact, let's let it slide and drop.

Tulsa's smart. I like Tulsa. Let's keep him around.

 

[Madison320]

[MENTION=9064]Ender[/MENTION] [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION]

I'm waitng.................

Ender's M.O. is to refuse to disclose his position and then get outraged when we are forced to assume his stance on something. It's actually a pretty good tactic. You're never wrong if you never answer the question. Then again it kind of defeats the purpose of having a forum to debate ideas if you're just spouting propaganda without having to explain your position.

 

[Jamesiv1]

how did it go yesterday with the take-a-knee stuff? Did many teams do it? Did it get much coverage?

 

[euphemia]

Dunno. Didn't watch. Took hubby out for an anniversary dinner. He chose cheeseburgers, so we went to a local place we have never visited before. Yum.

 

[otherone]

how did it go yesterday with the take-a-knee stuff? Did many teams do it? Did it get much coverage?

Yesterday was a "gee, ain't the military swell?" day, with ads having players talk about how swell the military is, and coaches wearing khaki team gear. I almost cried, it was so touching. Pretty much left me feeling we'd be stupid NOT to mangle another generation of kids for reasons that I can't seem to remember. Oh yeah...freedom. And muslims.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Come on now, don't lump in Tulsa with Ender. Tulsa one time said something positive about the horrible, evil, murdering tyrant Nelson Mandela, and even then only in a round-about way (that 'the swamp' supposedly killed him or whatever (good riddance) and so maybe the enemy of our enemy... anyway, he made the effort to make it indirect, you see?). Anyone can make a slip-up. That's all it is. A slip-up.

As long as he now shuts up about it and does not "double down" and say further complimentary things about Nelson Mandela, who obviously was a horrible, evil, murdering tyrant, and someone as smart as acptulsa can of course see this obvious fact, let's let it slide and drop.

Tulsa's smart. I like Tulsa. Let's keep him around.

I also find tulsa to be more reasonable than ender, but tulsa dodged the question about Mandela vs. Molyneux so I changed it to Kucinich since he is still alive and all I hear from either one is crickets.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

And my answer to your question [who is better, Stefan Molyneux or Murderer Mandela?] is NEITHER.

Behold, the Ideologue. Unable to think in gradients, unable to make reasonable judgment calls, unable, in short, to deal with reality.

A normal person could say 'I'd rather have Stefan in charge, instituting libertarian reforms, than to have a known and proven evil, Murdering Communist in charge.' Like, even if that normal person were not in any way a libertarian he could say that, just by virtue of being normal.

A normal person could say 'All else equal, I'd rather the tax rate lower to 10% rather than increase to 23%.' They would even be capable of preferring 11% to 13%! Imagine. The Enders of the World? Can't. Their answer: "Neither."

"Neither."

In other words, "I don't care about reality, I hate reality, I can't deal with reality, I'm just going to virtue signal."

If a crazy does not and cannot bring himself to prefer more freedom and less tyranny to less freedom and more tyranny, do you think that he really truly would prefer total freedom and no tyranny? Even if he strenuously claims to? Could you really believe someone like that? Or is the crazy just delusional/lying/who-cares-but-obviously-crazy?

Here's a good blog post on the topic by the Anonymous Conservative:

Amygdala and Societal Shifts
Posted on November 3, 2017 by Anonymous Conservative

Sam J writes in the comments:

Maybe this explains why societal changes happen so fast. A small group steadfastly sticks to a position until they reach a certain trigger point then all the r’s switch to what they see as the winning side. These deep shifts could be thought of as “r” selected shifts. Not just a change in information that people suddenly see as true. A stampede.

It would seem to make this shift happen the best way to push it, given the irrationality of the “r’s” is for whatever side wants to win to make AS MUCH NOISE AS POSSIBLE. So all the people saying that Klan, KKK. Nazis, Anti-Semites and other assorted loud noisy people are doing harm is inaccurate. The fighting in Charlottesville was super eye candy to the r’s. They’re necessary for the noise. This would also explain how with all the corruption and dishonesty in the US State they can continue to hold power as long as the mass media continues to blurt out the State’s side. No matter how irrational, as the recent events in Vegas show. This is starting to break down as no young people watch much of the TV news at all and don’t believe what they’re saying anyways.​

I agree with this. There are a large swath of sheep who, even though they don’t know it, have amygdalae which seek calm by subconsciously aligning with the winning side, and often that is the loudest, most scary side. I imagine anything triggering would do it, from unashamed white supremacists to just massive crowds marching to drumbeats, and chanting cadences in perfect unison, like Marines jogging in formation. To align against that would be amygdala-stimulating, and their brain feels that amygdala sensation the same way we feel something is wrong – it bothers them until they adopt what they see as “right.”

This is an important point for the Aspies who like this site to understand. Note that amygdala is a feeling, and it is that feeling which guides your logical analysis, and does it the same way a feeling guides your deeper emotional preferences. If your commitment is to truth, that is an emotional commitment, driven by the same amygdala-pain you feel when your loved one suffers with an illness, or when you see a helpless animal hurt unnecessarily. It is the emotional drive that motivates you to seek the unemotional logic. It is a deep emotional hatred for wrong that motivates us to seek right. It is the illogical that drives us to pursue the logical, especially in a world which is so upside down that the illogical people actually thrive on illogicality. Imagine how much money you could have made under Obama by adopting the left’s bologna and filing for global warming research grants, or setting up immigrant processing companies. It was your emotion, not your logic holding you back.

Realize that your pursuit of the logical and the correct is driven by the same amygdala that other’s feel in response to insecurity, fear, and lack of pleasure. When SJWs say they feel unsafe and that is wrong, that is the same feeling you get when you feel logically wrong – a nagging cognitive shock produced by the amygdala that you cannot abide by, and which you feel needs rectification.

So when the r-strategist with an easily panicked amygdala sees a nation warming up the ovens, they will quickly conclude the oven operators have a logical point – immigrants are fucking up the nation, Blacks/Mexicans/Muslims/Any-group-in-opposition-to-the-oven-operators are not actually human, and the ovens are a logical step which the decent were forced to by the intransigence of “these enemies of decency.”

I truly believe the extremists in movements, which Eric Hoffer wrote about, are r-selected rabbits with stress-intolerant amygdalae who use extremism as an amygdala-calming technique because they have to. We don’t need that calm, so we can tolerate gray areas and moderate our ideals, and even say we don’t know stuff. Our amygdalae can exist in that state of mild stimulation. Their amygdalae cannot because they need certainty and they need to be in the group firmly and feel they belong, if they are to feel safe.

 

[otherone]

In other words, "I don't care about reality, I hate reality, I can't deal with reality, I'm just going to virtue signal."

Speaking of reality, I hope you see the irony in calling someone an ideologue for failing to respond to a hypothetical choice.

 

[Swordsmyth]

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[helmuth_hubener]

Speaking of reality, I hope you see the irony in calling someone an ideologue for failing to respond to a hypothetical choice.

I am all about ironies!


It doesn't really matter that it was hypothetical. Another good example of a choice that an ideologue would be incapable of making a judgment on is: who would you rather live under, JFK or Pol Pot? I guess that's still hypothetical because in the past -- make it Hans-Adam II or Mugabe. I mean, pretty simple call, but the Ideologue, lost and blind, would refuse to and be unable to make it. I gave the tax-rate example already, hardly hypothetical. Here's another ideologue circuit-jammer: who was a better President, Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama? Or, how about this fun one: who would be a better President: Donald J. Trump or Hillary Clinton?

Aack! Does not com-pute! Sys-tem melt-down! Systemmeltdown!

Neither! Neither! Neither!

 

[otherone]

I am all about ironies!


It doesn't really matter that it was hypothetical. Another good example of a choice that an ideologue would be incapable of making a judgment on is: who would you rather live under, JFK or Pol Pot? I guess that's still hypothetical because in the past -- make it Hans-Adam II or Mugabe. I mean, pretty simple call, but the Ideologue, lost and blind, would refuse to and be unable to make it. I gave the tax-rate example already, hardly hypothetical. Here's another ideologue circuit-jammer: who was a better President, Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama? Or, how about this fun one: who would be a better President: Donald J. Trump or Hillary Clinton?

Aack! Does not com-pute! Sys-tem melt-down! Systemmeltdown!

Neither! Neither! Neither!

LOL. They're all hypotheticals, and have nothing to do with reality. Let's get a little more real: Which tastes better? A can of FDR beans or a can of Stalin beans?

 

[Swordsmyth]

LOL. They're all hypotheticals, and have nothing to do with reality.

No they have to do with reality, who/what are you going to work with or expend effort opposing? Under what circumstances?

Which tastes better? A can of FDR beans or a can of Stalin beans?

FDR beans.

What tastes better muddy water or sewer water?

 

[otherone]

No they have to do with reality, who/what are you going to work with or expend effort opposing? Under what circumstances?

Really? You think you got say? NOW who's the ideologue?

FDR beans.

Peel the label off the can and try again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Really? You think you got say? NOW who's the ideologue?

We have more say than many think, otherwise the US would be as bad off as the rest of the world.

Peel the label off the can and try again.

How many people did FDR kill? How many did Stalin kill?

 

[otherone]

how many people did FDR kill? How many did Stalin kill?

That changes the taste of the beans?

Now see Mr. Hubener? THAT'S an ideologue.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That changes the taste of the beans?

It sure does, I would rather have less people killed, all the way down to 0 if it could be achieved, but you just want to take the intellectually lazy route and claim that there are no better or worse options and we have no power or influence so let's just sit on our porch and curse the world and throw rocks at everybody, but throw more rocks at whoever is ahead in the game of power even if their opposition is worse and hurting them without a better alternative will cause more suffering in the world.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

LOL. They're all hypotheticals, and have nothing to do with reality.

There exist jurisdictions where the tax rate is close to 23%, and ones where it is more like 10%. Right? Or is this my imagination? Within these united States, and even within your own state between various counties and towns, you will find a variety of different tax rates. A rational person could say "this county's sales tax rate is better than that one, because this one charges 5% sales tax and this one charges 6%." A poor, blind ideologue can, alas!, not say this. So sad. They have to flail about and say "they're both totally evil and unacceptable because they're part of the Capitalist Bourgeoisie Conspiracy, or the Reptilian-Robotic Complex, or the Failure to Implement Pure Anarcho-Capitalism Outrage. Insert your own ideology, of course.

Zimbabwe is an actual country, as is Lichtenstein. I could move to either one, with some effort. Maybe I have already! Who knows!

Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama were both inaugurated as actual Presidents of the United States. Assessing their quality would surely be useful to people like us who seek to take control of the state and reduce its power, or even just to anyone interested in leading or influencing their society in any way. Unless it was their Holographic Avatars, really inhabited by Jesuit lizards. Is that it? That is what you believe, I guess? I forgot to account for that possibility; my mistake.

See, keeping up with the magical worlds and menageries of people infected by the mind-worm we call Ideology can be quite a chore!

Let's get a little more real: Which tastes better? A can of FDR beans or a can of Stalin beans?

Is it also part of your ideology that the political leadership of a country exerts some sort of magical influence on beans? This is one I am not familiar with. Is there a name for your ideology so I can brush up on it?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

THAT'S an ideologue.

For sure, we've all been infected by this horrible and evil brainworm to some degree! That's why it's important to call it out. Once you can see it, including in yourself -- most importantly, of course, in yourself! -- then you can start to coolly analyze its malicious workings.