NFL HELL: Owners/TV networks face mounting losses as Trump called boycotts spread

[Brian4Liberty]

This all could have been avoided if the NFL ownership simply made the teams stay in the locker rooms until after the Nationalism was over.

Game over. No bullshit controversy.

And they should have done it before this season started.

 

[Madison320]

Dude- you just criticized me for criticizing Molyneux. And what I said about Mandela was true- he was in jail when some of the things he was accused of happened. Was he perfect? Absolutely not.

Did you forget what we're arguing about? Your criticism of Molyneux and support for Mandela supports my hypothesis. Here is my original post:

The problem is you're not consistent. You want us to forgive protestors who protest "black injustice" but not protestors who protest "white injustice".

As I've said before. I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate black racist groups and white racist groups and I'm not going to support either.

The fact is that on any libertarian freedom scale Molyneux would rank miles higher than Mandela. Yet you support Mandela and criticize Molyneux. I think you are very condescending towards blacks, I prefer to hold everyone to the same standards.

 

[phill4paul]

And they should have done it before this season started.

Yup. Goodell screwed the pooch.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yup. Goodell screwed the pooch.

He may have been trying to keep getting some government money, but that was a bad calculation. Penny wise pound foolish. The NFL is losing far more money than government is going to give them,

 

[Zippyjuan]

He may have been trying to keep getting some government money, but that was a bad calculation. Penny wise pound foolish. The NFL is losing far more money than government is going to give them,

How much money is the government giving to the NFL?

 

[dannno]

How much money is the government giving to the NFL?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469372-Chargers-Raiders-reveal-L-A-plan

Same issue, different sport

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412982-Cubs-chairman-threatens-to-move-team-from-Wrigley

 

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469372-Chargers-Raiders-reveal-L-A-plan

Same issue, different sport

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412982-Cubs-chairman-threatens-to-move-team-from-Wrigley

From my post there:

The San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders announced Thursday that they have collaborated on a proposal to build a privately financed, $1.7 billion stadium in Carson, California, that the two teams would share if they relocate to the Los Angeles market.

But even so, the Federal Government doesn't give any money to the NFL. Local governments may offer teams financial assistance or tax breaks. The teams themselves were never tax exempt and the league offices gave up their own tax exempt status a few years ago.

 

[Jamesiv1]

This all could have been avoided if the NFL ownership simply made the teams stay in the locker rooms until after the Nationalism was over.

Game over. No bullshit controversy.

What's the point of that?

Virtue signalling is no fun unless you can do it on national TV.

 

[specsaregood]

From my post there:

But even so, the Federal Government doesn't give any money to the NFL. Local governments may offer teams financial assistance or tax breaks. The teams themselves were never tax exempt and the league offices gave up their own tax exempt status a few years ago.

On that note, in the new GOP tax bill:

 

[Ender]

Did you forget what we're arguing about? Your criticism of Molyneux and support for Mandela supports my hypothesis. Here is my original post:



The fact is that on any libertarian freedom scale Molyneux would rank miles higher than Mandela. Yet you support Mandela and criticize Molyneux. I think you are very condescending towards blacks, I prefer to hold everyone to the same standards.

Right...... while you deliberately misinterpret anyone who doesn't march lockstep with your POV.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Papa John's Pulls NFL-Associated Ads Citing 'Negative Consumer Sentiment'

Pizza chain Papa John's announced Wednesday that it is pulling its advertising associated with the NFL, according to ESPN's Darren Rovell.
Per Jonathan Maze of Nation's Restaurant News, Papa John's founder John Schnatter said sales are down due to "negative consumer sentiment" regarding the company's relationship with the NFL.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ciated-ads-citing-negative-consumer-sentiment

 

[austin870]

Says the one who wants to utterly remove the liberty and property rights of others for the evils of thoughtcrime. We'll build freedom by purging everyone who dares think anything not approved by the Central Committee, right Comrade? Or do you prefer Herr, Obergruppenführer? Either way that is some true Orwellian doublethink you've got going on there.

A society where everyone has to believe what you think is not free at all. It is an authoritarian monstrosity with the most oppressive laws possible. And you are an enemy to liberty.

When a group moves from believing or speaking about something to extorting property by force that is a true enemy to liberty. Socialists are extortionists via mob rule using the government as their Agent Of Extortion. You are correct they do have the freedom to talk about extortion, robbery, burglary, money laundering etc as long as they don't carry any to action. Socialists have a real bad habit of carrying them to action and extortion. Actually the Central Committee was setup for wealth redistribution by force. The level of extortion was so high it had to be carried out by the military.

 

[acptulsa]

But even so, the Federal Government doesn't give any money to the NFL.

Oh? So the armed forces are no longer part of the Federal Government? Have they been taken over by the CIA then? Or do they officially not exist like the No Such Agency?

LOL

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...k-tax-dollars-for-patriotic-pregame-displays/

http://reason.com/blog/2015/11/06/nfl-says-it-will-pay-pentagon-back-for-p

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...-military-paid-nfl-teams-honor-soldiers-games

https://deadspin.com/surprise-military-reunions-at-nfl-games-reach-peak-bull-1727940877

https://thinkprogress.org/nfl-dod-national-anthem-6f682cebc7cd/

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...ary-tributes-report-says/stories/201511060140

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/pentagon-paid-nfl-displays-patriotism/

https://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/4/9670302/nfl-paid-patriotism-troops-mcain-flake-report-million

You'll like this one. It has enough numbers to make a chart:

http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketi...n-paid-sports-teams-military-tributes-167939/

Lord, dude. The Zippy Account used to have some standards. Like, distract, change the subject, post misleading information, maybe lie a little if it's a really hard thing to double-check, but no obvious bullsheet. But ever since you people started pretending that the gold standard was fixing the price of gold, when it's really using gold as money, all the standards are down the sewer.

Well? Let's hear it. They don't get stadiums built for them/I was specifically talking about the Department of Agriculture/I didn't mean (fill in the blank). Let's hear how you intend to avoid owning this outright falsehood.

Come on. Out with it. 'The Marine Corps doesn't consider putting their message out there in front of young men who spent less of their time in school studying than getting concussions giving money away. The Corps considers that investing money.' Is that the jist of it?

 

[Madison320]

Right...... while you deliberately misinterpret anyone who doesn't march lockstep with your POV.

You mean like your response here?

Stefan Molyneux.......your god..........

The only "good" thing I can say about Molyneux is that he's way better than Nelson Mandela. Other than that I remember posting that he's unbearable to listen to because he never gets to the point.

See the pattern? I back up my statements with facts and links to previous posts. You back yours with nothing.

I will concede one thing. I remember you also were supporting Dennis Kucinich so maybe it's not so much black vs white, maybe it's communist vs capitalist. Maybe your view is that we should support communists if they have one positive trait, but not capitalists.

Question for you. Who would you rather have making the decisions for the country you live in, Molyneux or Mandela?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I will concede one thing. I remember you also were supporting Dennis Kucinich so maybe it's not so much black vs white, maybe it's communist vs capitalist. Maybe your view is that we should support communists if they have one positive trait, but not capitalists.

Now you are beginning to understand, there are several other "fellow travelers" around here as well, they hate the west so badly that they will embrace anything or any one that tears it down, they should all change their avatars to Che.

 

[acptulsa]

Now you are beginning to understand, there are several other "fellow travelers" around here as well, they hate the west so badly that they will embrace anything or any one that tears it down, they should all change their avatars to Che.

"Fellow Travelers"? LOL. That's quite the antique dog whistle you've got there, buddy.

So, you might be close to understanding. By "the west", do you mean baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Shovrolet pieces of Government Motors crap? If so, you're way off target. Or by "the west", do you mean Rothschild-controlled, Federal Reserved-financed purveyors of poppies and conquerers of oil fields? If so, you might just understand how an eccentric, elderly socialist puppet of those same monsters managed to make a Pied Piper of himself and suck the Millennial heart out of this movement.

Yeah, disgust with The Empire is so strong they'll follow a cure worse than the disease, if they think it'll kill the disease. But, you know, people buy Chevrolets and swear they aren't supporting fascist government-corporate partnerships, too. The blindness and ignorance have equal sway on both sides of "the aisle". So maybe you're having a little trouble identifying the real enemy.

Ender is trying to find a way for those from both sides of " the aisle" who want to drain that stinking swamp to work together to drain that stinking swamp. Those who run around screeching that people from the other side of "the aisle" have leprocy, hepatitis and AIDS are preventing us from draining that stinking swamp. And that's why the alligators invented "the aisle"--to divide us and conquer us and prevent us from draining their nice, stinking swamp.

There are four groups. There are those who believe government is a swamp, and the solution is to make government small and keep it that way. There are those who believe government should be smaller, but it isn't really such a swamp. There are those who think government is a dandy thing. And there are those who see government is a swamp, but think it can be a dandy thing if we replace the alligators with actual humans. Now, you and I know that these last people aren't half as good at separating the humans from the alligators as they think they are. Kucinich was not an alligator, by the way, though his philosophy was foolish because it would keep power in the grasp of alligators. Sanders, on the other hand, is proof enough for you and me that these people can't tell humans from alligators. But regardless of all that, if we don't reach out to this last group, we aren't going to drain the swamp, because the middle two groups are literally capable of looking at the damned swamp and saying, my, that would make a nice golf course! This makes them fucking useless.

That makes Ender part of the solution, not part of the problem. Can you make the same claim?

 

[Swordsmyth]

"Fellow Travelers"? LOL. That's quite the antique dog whistle you've got there, buddy. So, you might be close to understanding. By "the west", do you mean baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Shovrolet pieces of Government Motors crap? If so, you're way off target. Or by "the west", do you mean Rothschild-controlled, Federal Reserved-financed purveyors of poppies and conquerers of oil fields? If so, you might just understand how an eccentric, elderly socialist puppet of those same monsters managed to make a Pied Piper of himself and suck the Millennial heart out of this movement. Yeah, disgust with The Empire is so strong they'll follow a cure worse than the disease, if they think it'll kill the disease. But, you know, people buy Chevrolets and swear they aren't supporting fascist government-corporate partnerships, too. The blindness and ignorance have equal sway on both sides of "the aisle". So maybe you're having a little trouble identifying the real enemy. Ender is trying to find a way for those from both sides of " the aisle" who want to drain that stinking swamp to work together to drain that stinking swamp. Those who run around screeching that people from the other side of "the aisle" have leprocy, hepatitis and AIDS are preventing us from draining that stinking swamp. And that's why the alligators invented "the aisle"--to divide us and conquer us and prevent us from draining their nice, stinking swamp. There are four groups. There are those who believe government is a swamp, and the solution is to make government small and keep it that way. There are those who believe government should be smaller, but it isn't really such a swamp. There are those who think government is a dandy thing. And there are those who see government is a swamp, but think it can be a dandy thing if we replace the alligators with actual humans. Now, you and I know that these last people aren't half as good at separating the humans from the alligators as they think they are. Kucinich was not an alligator, by the way, though his philosophy was foolish because it would keep power in the grasp of alligators. Sanders, on the other hand, is proof enough for you and me that these people can't tell humans from alligators. But regardless of all that, if we don't reach out to this last group, we aren't going to drain the swamp, because the middle two groups are literally capable of looking at the damned swamp and saying, my, that would make a nice golf course! This makes them $#@!ing useless. That makes Ender part of the solution, not part of the problem. Can you make the same claim?

I will work with Ender or even Kucinich when we are on the same side of an issue, just like Dr. Ron, but there are people who are like an out of control immune system, they over-react to the disease and begin destroying the body, and I will oppose them when they are doing more damage to the body than the disease. Depending on your point of view the west is better, worse or equivalent to the other competing cultures of the world, I believe that the west is better than the others, I can get along with those who believe the west to be equivalent to other cultures but I will but heads with those who claim it is worse, the other cultures all had/have their own swamp creatures and it is destructive to tear down what we have if we are only going to replace it with an equivalent.

 

[Ender]

You mean like your response here?



The only "good" thing I can say about Molyneux is that he's way better than Nelson Mandela. Other than that I remember posting that he's unbearable to listen to because he never gets to the point.

See the pattern? I back up my statements with facts and links to previous posts. You back yours with nothing.

I will concede one thing. I remember you also were supporting Dennis Kucinich so maybe it's not so much black vs white, maybe it's communist vs capitalist. Maybe your view is that we should support communists if they have one positive trait, but not capitalists.

Question for you. Who would you rather have making the decisions for the country you live in, Molyneux or Mandela?

I wasn't supporting Kucinich- I was showing how Ron Paul and he worked together on stuff and had a deep respect for each other. Instead of looking at this some got their panties in a twist & refused to read what RP had said about Kucinich.

And my answer to your question is NEITHER.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I don't think 'they' want to come for the socialists. The only true enemies of the powers that be are the people who refute and oppose them, not those who worship them.

Niemöller's poem in today's terms would be more like:

"First they came for the libertarians and that was it. The end."

Not quite as inspirational I suppose.

Exactly!

It's really not that complicated!

 

[Madison320]

Now you are beginning to understand, there are several other "fellow travelers" around here as well, they hate the west so badly that they will embrace anything or any one that tears it down, they should all change their avatars to Che.

Yup. As if the rest of the world would be a libertarian paradise if it weren't for the west. They forget the fact that communism is the direct opposite to libertarianism.