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I wasn't supporting Kucinich- I was showing how Ron Paul and he worked together on stuff and had a deep respect for each other. Instead of looking at this some got their panties in a twist & refused to read what RP had said about Kucinich.

And my answer to your question is NEITHER.

So do you feel the same about Trump? Should we work with him on the things we agree about and try to convince him to change his mind where he's wrong?


That's a non answer. Ok, I'll ask it a different way. Who is more freedom oriented? Molyneux or Mandela?
 
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:D Exactly!

It's really not that complicated!

Not exactly. The State and the Fiat Empire controlling it uses scapegoats as an excuse to grow in power and violate the Natural Rights of the People.

First they came for the Communists (and built the Military Industrial Complex.)
Then they came for the Drug Users (and stated the War on Drugs.)
Then they came for the Terrorists (and built the Police State.)
Then they came for the Racists (and abolished Freedom of Speech.)
Then they came for the Cash Users (and abolished Independent Wealth.)
Then they came for the Gun Owners (and extinguished the American Resistance to the New “Anglo-Zionist Banking” World Order.)
 
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Molyneux or Mandela?

The Swamp threw Mandela in prison. Molyneux carries water for the swamp.

Should we give up on draining the swamp until Trump cuts the size of the federal government and the 14,000 federal regulations that make everything illegal (including breathing, in certain circumstances)? Yes, you say? Cutting that stuff is more important than ridding ourselves of the most corrupt bunch of sadistic robber barons since Louis XVI and his buddy Marquis de Sade?

So, is Trump cutting five complete cabinet departments like Ron Paul would have done? Is he cutting three cabinet departments like Rick Perry said he would do? Is he cutting anything at all? Or is he just failing to pass some--maybe even most--of the additional regulations that Obama put in the pipeline? Indeed, is Rick Perry not now in charge of one of the cabinet departments he himself promised to cut?

Should we work with him on things we agree about? Depends. Is he going to stop trying to stick that puny pacifier in our mouths and get around to doing some actual work? That's a yes or no question, by the way. 'Let's keep sucking his cock like a good little cuck and see if we get a treat someday' is not an option.

I know all good conservatives like to pretend we're Superman and can fix the world without making a single friend. But Superman is as fictitious as the Leftist's unicorn, so we might just have a few allies--or give up and just roll over and take that pacifier in the ass as well. Or is that too real world to even consider?
 
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Interesting.

I believe they said the same thing about the Jews in that day.

Freedom is only for the pure, amirite? INSTEAD OF LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CONVERTING THEM TO TRUTH THROUGH COMPASSION, LET'S JUST:

"Remove freak Socialists physically from society, so MY society can continue to exist."

Tell me how that is any different than the very ones YOU condemn.

I will certainly be glad to explain. First, ask thineself: dost thou really want to understand? If thou hast come to dislike me -- as is definitely the case -- thine amygdala will shut out my words, as sure and surer as any ear plugs.

You are presenting the Shining Happy Peasants Holding Hands Across the World vision. It's a nice vision. But it's exceeding shallow and naive. It's also a decidedly Rabbit vision. It really does not appeal to the K-selected (the competitive, the conservative). No emotional resonance. We'd rather compete and win and care for our own glowing hearths and beloved kin, and just do not emotionally care about the endless hordes of peasants and riff-raff around the world. To hold their hands would be ectasy for thee, but for me, it is "meh". No interest.

So, what do the K-selected care about? Practicalities. Reality. Their families. And thus: Winning. These people, like me, care more about creating a good life for their children than signaling their virtue to their leftist friends. An *actual* good life (results matter). Their loyalty to their grandkids is stronger than their loyalty to some Imaginary Utopia.

Does that make sense to you, Ender? I already know it doesn't. It's a different world, a very different emotional landscape than the one ye inhabit. Still, I write, for others.

Anyway, it's very interesting stuff, really solid, fascinating science. However, as I just said in reply to Nobody's Hero, this is anything but complicated. It's really, really simple!

Freedom good.
Socialism bad.

Socialism bad, bad, bad, bad.

That's nice that you want to take the side of the socialists in opposition to the side of the libertarians, and do so on a libertarian forum, no less! A bit quixotic, but hey, you've got to follow your heart!
 
I will certainly be glad to explain. First, ask thineself: dost thou really want to understand? If thou hast come to dislike me -- as is definitely the case -- thine amygdala will shut out my words, as sure and surer as any ear plugs.

You are presenting the Shining Happy Peasants Holding Hands Across the World vision. It's a nice vision. But it's exceeding shallow and naive. It's also a decidedly Rabbit vision. It really does not appeal to the K-selected (the competitive, the conservative). No emotional resonance. We'd rather compete and win and care for our own glowing hearths and beloved kin, and just do not emotionally care about the endless hordes of peasants and riff-raff around the world. To hold their hands would be ectasy for thee, but for me, it is "meh". No interest.

So, what do the K-selected care about? Practicalities. Reality. Their families. And thus: Winning. These people, like me, care more about creating a good life for their children than signaling their virtue to their leftist friends. An *actual* good life (results matter). Their loyalty to their grandkids is stronger than their loyalty to some Imaginary Utopia.

Does that make sense to you, Ender? I already know it doesn't. It's a different world, a very different emotional landscape than the one ye inhabit. Still, I write, for others.

Anyway, it's very interesting stuff, really solid, fascinating science. However, as I just said in reply to Nobody's Hero, this is anything but complicated. It's really, really simple!

Freedom good.
Socialism bad.

Socialism bad, bad, bad, bad.

That's nice that you want to take the side of the socialists in opposition to the side of the libertarians, and do so on a libertarian forum, no less! A bit quixotic, but hey, you've got to follow your heart!

Never have I made that statement.

Maybe it is YOU who should learn something from Ron Paul, stop your hate, and better-than-thou-bullshite and learn what LIBERTY really means.
 
The Swamp threw Mandela in prison. Molyneux carries water for the swamp.

Should we give up on draining the swamp until Trump cuts the size of the federal government and the 14,000 federal regulations that make everything illegal (including breathing, in certain circumstances)? Yes, you say? Cutting that stuff is more important than ridding ourselves of the most corrupt bunch of sadistic robber barons since Louis XVI and his buddy Marquis de Sade?

So, is Trump cutting five complete cabinet departments like Ron Paul would have done? Is he cutting three cabinet departments like Rick Perry said he would do? Is he cutting anything at all? Or is he just failing to pass some--maybe even most--of the additional regulations that Obama put in the pipeline? Indeed, is Rick Perry not now in charge of one of the cabinet departments he himself promised to cut?

Should we work with him on things we agree about? Depends. Is he going to stop trying to stick that puny pacifier in our mouths and get around to doing some actual work? That's a yes or no question, by the way. 'Let's keep sucking his cock like a good little cuck and see if we get a treat someday' is not an option.

I know all good conservatives like to pretend we're Superman and can fix the world without making a single friend. But Superman is as fictitious as the Leftist's unicorn, so we might just have a few allies--or give up and just roll over and take that pacifier in the ass as well. Or is that too real world to even consider?

In full agreement-
 
Not exactly. The State and the Fiat Empire controlling it uses scapegoats as an excuse to grow in power and violate the Natural Rights of the People.

First they came for the Communists (and built the Military Industrial Complex.)
Then they came for the Drug Users (and stated the War on Drugs.)
Then they came for the Terrorists (and built the Police State.)
Then they came for the Racists (and abolished Freedom of Speech.)
Then they came for the Cash Users (and abolished Independent Wealth.)
Then they came for the Gun Owners (and extinguished the American Resistance to the New “Anglo-Zionist Banking” World Order.)

^^^THIS^^^
 
Who is more freedom oriented? Molyneux or Mandela? It's not a trick question.

Yes it is. It very much is.

Mandela was pro-socialism. Molyneux is pro-swamp. This makes both of them half bad.

Which evil do you want to tackle first would be a legitimate question. But to your trick question, the only intelligent answer is, Molyneux is a greater threat to liberty for the solid and sound reason that Mandela is dead
 
Never have I made that statement.
And, happily, I did not accuse you of making any statement. Right? Go back and check. Yep, sure enough, no statement claimed by Helmuth to have been made by Ender. So, perfect! Agreement! We can join hands in love, harmony, and total agreement. Yes!



Maybe it is YOU who should stop your hate
Behold, the Rabbit mind. All I did was nicely, politely explain the K-selected mindset to him, and he feels hate. He starts spewing vulgarities at me (despite being a minister!). Everyone, please understand that I think Ender actually does experience this as hate. He's sincere. Just hearing about it, even in the nicest possible way, and safely over the Internet, is enough to trigger the threat response.

Anyway, let's drop that line of thought since Ender is not going to be able to understand any of it, much less contribute to the discussion; it will just agitate him.

Let's talk about free speech, because that's interesting, too. And very important!

As for me, I am a bit of an absolutist on free speech, you could say. Some say there should be limits. I tend to think not. I am inclined to allow everything: fire-related shouting in theaters, slander and libel, and yes, even death threats. What, you say? Surely it shouldn't be legal to go around saying "I am going to kill you!" I would say it should be. What should not be legal is taking actual actions to implement your murderous plan. Making the threat of the crime itself not a crime will pose no real hinderance to enforcement and punishment of the criminal for a well-functioning crime-prevention system.

Likewise, it should be technically legal to make all other criminal threats, such as "I want to tax you," or "I believe in Universal Health Care," or "We need to make laws to end Global Warming." It's only consistent. Spew forth whatever words you want. What should be illegal is to actually believe these things! ;). In other words, to take any actions, such as but not limited to: joining the Democrat or Socialist Party, donating money to people promising to carry out these threats, organizing clubs, advocacy groups, or mob actions trying to make these criminal threats real, or anything else tangibly advancing (or attempting to advance) the criminal goals of socialism, communism, or any other criminal ideology.

Hope that clears that up!

Somebody starts making criminal threats (such as saying "I'm with Marx" or "I'm with Charles Manson" or wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt) then law enforcement should simply be activated, he should be followed everywhere he goes, surrounded by well-armed men, actively monitored and prevented from following through on his criminal threat (or any other effective preventative measures). This continues until he permanently leaves the society. If at any time he does something to attempt to further the goals of socialism, that is, follow through and commit an actual crime, he should and must be forcibly physically removed.

Look, a society that tolerates authoritarians cannot survive as a free society. The people matter. Society is its people. If a population consists 80% of supporters of authoritarianism, what kind of society will that be? Come on, just take a wild guess.

This is really not that complicated.

Freedom good.
Tyranny bad.

Tyranny bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

Freedom will be in places where the *people* love and value freedom. Tyranny will exist where people buy into tyranny. The freedom people -- namely me, for example -- have a right to exclude the tyranny-lovers from their community. If they do not, then bottom line: that means they would not have the right to exist. They would not have a right to freedom. They will never have freedom unless they can exclude and physically expel the parasites and criminals who would rule over them and rob their property.

This is really basic stuff. It's so simple.
 
And, happily, I did not accuse you of making any statement. Right? Go back and check. Yep, sure enough, no statement claimed by Helmuth to have been made by Ender. So, perfect! Agreement! We can join hands in love, harmony, and total agreement. Yes!



Behold, the Rabbit mind. All I did was nicely, politely explain the K-selected mindset to him, and he feels hate. He starts spewing vulgarities at me (despite being a minister!). Everyone, please understand that I think Ender actually does experience this as hate. He's sincere. Just hearing about it, even in the nicest possible way, and safely over the Internet, is enough to trigger the threat response.

Anyway, let's drop that line of thought since Ender is not going to be able to understand any of it, much less contribute to the discussion; it will just agitate him.

Let's talk about free speech, because that's interesting, too. And very important!

As for me, I am a bit of an absolutist on free speech, you could say. Some say there should be limits. I tend to think not. I am inclined to allow everything: fire-related shouting in theaters, slander and libel, and yes, even death threats. What, you say? Surely it shouldn't be legal to go around saying "I am going to kill you!" I would say it should be. What should not be legal is taking actual actions to implement your murderous plan. Making the threat of the crime itself not a crime will pose no real hinderance to enforcement and punishment of the criminal for a well-functioning crime-prevention system.

Likewise, it should be technically legal to make all other criminal threats, such as "I want to tax you," or "I believe in Universal Health Care," or "We need to make laws to end Global Warming." It's only consistent. Spew forth whatever words you want. What should be illegal is to actually believe these things! ;). In other words, to take any actions, such as but not limited to: joining the Democrat or Socialist Party, donating money to people promising to carry out these threats, organizing clubs, advocacy groups, or mob actions trying to make these criminal threats real, or anything else tangibly advancing (or attempting to advance) the criminal goals of socialism, communism, or any other criminal ideology.

Hope that clears that up!

Somebody starts making criminal threats (such as saying "I'm with Marx" or "I'm with Charles Manson" or wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt) then law enforcement should simply be activated, he should be followed everywhere he goes, surrounded by well-armed men, actively monitored and prevented from following through on his criminal threat (or any other effective preventative measures). This continues until he permanently leaves the society. If at any time he does something to attempt to further the goals of socialism, that is, follow through and commit an actual crime, he should and must be forcibly physically removed.

Look, a society that tolerates authoritarians cannot survive as a free society. The people matter. Society is its people. If a population consists 80% of supporters of authoritarianism, what kind of society will that be? Come on, just take a wild guess.

This is really not that complicated.

Freedom good.
Tyranny bad.

Tyranny bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

Freedom will be in places where the *people* love and value freedom. Tyranny will exist where people buy into tyranny. The freedom people -- namely me, for example -- have a right to exclude the tyranny-lovers from their community. If they do not, then bottom line: that means they would not have the right to exist. They would not have a right to freedom. They will never have freedom unless they can exclude and physically expel the parasites and criminals who would rule over them and rob their property.

This is really basic stuff. It's so simple.

As long as it's freedom for YOU, amirite?

And, yes, you did accuse me:

That's nice that you want to take the side of the socialists in opposition to the side of the libertarians, and do so on a libertarian forum, no less! A bit quixotic, but hey, you've got to follow your heart!

I am against anti-freedom. If you promote that, I'm going to call you on it, especially when you were not asked to join in my conversation.

As for my ministry:



"I'm not that kind of angel." ;)
 
Except you are taking an anti liberty position. Players are free to do what they want and fans can do what they want. That' the problem with the entertainment industry. Offend the consumer and expect to lose money. Ask the Dixie Chicks.
 
Except you are taking an anti liberty position. Players are free to do what they want and fans can do what they want. That' the problem with the entertainment industry. Offend the consumer and expect to lose money. Ask the Dixie Chicks.

Are you are talking to me?
 
Yes it is. It very much is.

Mandela was pro-socialism. Molyneux is pro-swamp. This makes both of them half bad.

Which evil do you want to tackle first would be a legitimate question. But to your trick question, the only intelligent answer is, Molyneux is a greater threat to liberty for the solid and sound reason that Mandela is dead

Alright who is more opposed to liberty? Molyneux?(Note: I dislike him) Or Kucinich?(He is still alive)
 
Alright who is more opposed to liberty? Molyneux?(Note: I dislike him) Or Kucinich?(He is still alive)

Apparently Ender and acptulsa think communists like Kucinich and Mandela are more liberty oriented then guys like Molyneux and Trump. That's why they want us to "forgive their faults" and "work with them where we agree". The problem is they don't feel the same about people like Molyneux and Trump.

The funny thing is that on the freedom scale it's not even close. If I had to rank them it'd be:

Mandela: 1
Kucinich: 2
Trump: 5
Molyneux: 8
Ron Paul: 10
 
Brands are threatening to pull ads from NFL coverage if NBC keeps covering players' national-anthem protests


  • Mike Shields
  • Nov. 3, 2017, 4:53 PM



  • NBCUniversal says that marketers want the league to stop covering the players' national-anthem protests or they will pull their ads.
  • An executive at the media company thinks the controversy around the protests has hurt ratings.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bran...om-nfl-if-nbc-keeps-covering-protests-2017-11
 
As long as it's freedom for YOU, amirite?
Umm, actually: as long as it's not "IMAGINARY FAIRY" freedom. Because that, actually, is freedom for NOBODY. (Though it may make you sound virtuous to other dead-enders! :) )

  • Freedom, by its nature, applies to everybody within the free community.
  • Freedom, by its nature, does not exist in communities where there is a sizable population of authoritarians accepted and embraced as "part of the community."

Again, this is stupidly simple. It is the fun of "discussions" like this (better called "encounters" for there is nothing like thought nor discourse emanating from one of the sides) that the Rabbit mind will never accept this. It will never, never accept something blatantly obvious like "Siding with Socialists is Siding Against Freedom."

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