NFL HELL: Owners/TV networks face mounting losses as Trump called boycotts spread

[Swordsmyth]

[h=1]Papa John's Pulls NFL Ads Due To "Negative Consumer Sentiment"[/h]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-01/papa-johns-pulls-nfl-ads-due-negative-consumer-sentiment

 

[Madison320]

Interesting.

I believe they said the same thing about the Jews in that day.

Freedom is only for the pure, amirite? INSTEAD OF LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CONVERTING THEM TO TRUTH THROUGH COMPASSION, LET'S JUST:

"Remove freak Socialists physically from society, so MY society can continue to exist."

Tell me how that is any different than the very ones YOU condemn.

The problem is you're not consistent. You want us to forgive protestors who protest "black injustice" but not protestors who protest "white injustice".

As I've said before. I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate black racist groups and white racist groups and I'm not going to support either.

 

[Madison320]

I am actually a little surprised that these imbecile NFL fans are this butthurt. Guess I should not be surprised. I like watching, but the whole military worship-breast cancer fawning-blah blah blah was wearing thin. I watch on Sunday less and less. These NFL clown owners will learn the hard way that they're not the only game in town. The entertainment dollar is more competitive these days. Hell, you can make your own entertainment. Ride a horse. Grow a garden. Enjoy the sunshine. Play a game yourself.

I agree. The NFL keeps getting harder to watch. The protesting is just one more irritation. Like you said the "military worship" and "awareness crap" is annoying. As a hypochondriac I pretty much have to wait until October is over until I watch a game. And the game itself sucks. The penalties are so severe and so subjective, that I'd say at least 30% of the games are decided by bad calls. The college game handles penalties a lot better. More objectivity (for example if your knee hits the ground, you're down - in the NFL it depends on whether you got touched) and less severity (pass interference is 15 yards not the spot of the foul, you don't get an automatic first down on defensive penalties). And the targeting type penalties are out of control, inconsistent.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

When I'm at a game I stand and remove my hat so as not to offend the religious (idolatrous) believers. I do not place my hand over my heart though and I do not sing along. I wonder how many others there do the same. I really don't like to offend people but if you think about how stupid it is to worship those who oppress you it really boggles the mind.

I only worship God...

 

[Ender]

The problem is you're not consistent. You want us to forgive protestors who protest "black injustice" but not protestors who protest "white injustice".

As I've said before. I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate black racist groups and white racist groups and I'm not going to support either.

That's not true- I have never said THAT. I think we should all be protesting INJUSTICE.

 

[Jamesiv1]

I agree. The NFL keeps getting harder to watch. The protesting is just one more irritation. Like you said the "military worship" and "awareness crap" is annoying. As a hypochondriac I pretty much have to wait until October is over until I watch a game. And the game itself sucks. The penalties are so severe and so subjective, that I'd say at least 30% of the games are decided by bad calls. The college game handles penalties a lot better. More objectivity (for example if your knee hits the ground, you're down - in the NFL it depends on whether you got touched) and less severity (pass interference is 15 yards not the spot of the foul, you don't get an automatic first down on defensive penalties). And the targeting type penalties are out of control, inconsistent.

I don't watch much football, but I like to listen to a local sports radio station.

This morning they were saying that instant reply is having a bad effect. The officials have gotten lazy, and there is a flag after almost every play.

I really hope the NFL takes it in the shorts and loses quite a lot of money. It might make them go back to playing football again.

 

[Madison320]

I don't watch much football, but I like to listen to a local sports radio station.

This morning they were saying that instant reply is having a bad effect. The officials have gotten lazy, and there is a flag after almost every play.

I really hope the NFL takes it in the shorts and loses quite a lot of money. It might make them go back to playing football again.

I watched a high school game on tv awhile ago and it was amazing how the quickly the game went and how well it flowed.

 

[Madison320]

That's not true- I have never said THAT. I think we should all be protesting INJUSTICE.

Obviously you're not going to come out and say it. But we can infer it from your posts. Like putting all the blame on white people for the current problems in South Africa.

Can you show me a post where you said we should support the alt right protestors when they were protesting the injustice of "anti free speech laws"?

 

[PierzStyx]

Seriously?

Now you're just being ridiculous.

Apparently TV viewership is down overall, across all networks and programs.

Through week seven, the NFL is down 5% overall from the same point last year. That's a troubling drop for the biggest ratings powerhouse on TV, but it seems less dire when you consider that the four major networks are down an average 8% in prime time.

NBC is down 4%, CBS is down 6%, ABC is down 11%, and Fox's prime time viewership dropped 20% through the first month of the new TV season, according to Nielsen data. And those numbers are down despite the inclusion of live sporting events, which usually bring in big audiences.

The NFL's sluggish viewership may be less a symptom of the league's problems and more about what's happening in the TV environment overall. The landscape has become incredibly fragmented, thanks to a flood of programming and competition from streaming services and from the internet, not to mention a 24-hour news cycle that comes with a breathtaking amount of content. Television, Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are all vying for the same eyeballs, and there are no signs that the deluge of programming will ebb any time soon.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/26/media/nfl-ratings-tv-networks/index.html

Looks to me like, more than anything, the internet is killing TV, including NFL TV ratings.

 

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Papa John Loses Dough: Pizza Chain Founder Loses $70 Million In Hours, Blames NFL
Forbes Nov 1, 2017





Related Coverage

Papa John's Blames the NFL for Hurting Pizza Sales
Highly Cited Bloomberg Nov 1, 2017

Papa John’s International Inc. founder John Schnatter is going after NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, saying weak handling of the league’s national-anthem controversy has hammered sales of his pizza.
“The NFL has hurt us by not resolving the current debacle to the players’ and owners’ satisfaction,” Schnatter, who serves as the pizza chain’s chairman and chief executive officer, said on a conference call. “NFL leadership has hurt Papa John’s shareholders.”
The remarks follow a controversy over NFL football players protesting during the national anthem, a movement that started last season. The demonstrations have sparked calls for a boycott and raised concerns among league sponsors. But Schnatter’s comments mark the highest-profile example of an NFL partner publicly blaming the outcry for hurting business.

 

[PierzStyx]

Obviously you're not going to come out and say it. But we can infer it from your posts. Like putting all the blame on white people for the current problems in South Africa.

Can you show me a post where you said we should support the alt right protestors when they were protesting the injustice of "anti free speech laws"?

In addition to be a hateful person, you're also apparent a liar. This whole post is an obvious Ad hominem Fallacy, meaning your reasoning is compromised. Next thing we know you're going to be accusing him Ender of being a Communist unless he can prove otherwise, or a rapist, or a space alien, or whatever idiocy you think you can do to smudge his name. After all, you can't disprove his arguments so you're reduced to trying to poison his reputation to try and distract from your intellectual impotence.

 

[PierzStyx]

Socialists, like all other incorrigible criminal types, must be physically removed from society, if that society is to continue to exist. You cannot have a peaceful, happy neighborhood based on respect for each other's property rights if instead of neighbors you are surrounded by freaks who want to utterly remove your property rights.

Says the one who wants to utterly remove the liberty and property rights of others for the evils of thoughtcrime. We'll build freedom by purging everyone who dares think anything not approved by the Central Committee, right Comrade? Or do you prefer Herr, Obergruppenführer? Either way that is some true Orwellian doublethink you've got going on there.

A society where everyone has to believe what you think is not free at all. It is an authoritarian monstrosity with the most oppressive laws possible. And you are an enemy to liberty.

 

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Papa John Loses Dough: Pizza Chain Founder Loses $70 Million In Hours, Blames NFL
Forbes Nov 1, 2017





Related Coverage

Papa John's Blames the NFL for Hurting Pizza Sales
Highly Cited Bloomberg Nov 1, 2017

Papa John’s International Inc. founder John Schnatter is going after NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, saying weak handling of the league’s national-anthem controversy has hammered sales of his pizza.
“The NFL has hurt us by not resolving the current debacle to the players’ and owners’ satisfaction,” Schnatter, who serves as the pizza chain’s chairman and chief executive officer, said on a conference call. “NFL leadership has hurt Papa John’s shareholders.”
The remarks follow a controversy over NFL football players protesting during the national anthem, a movement that started last season. The demonstrations have sparked calls for a boycott and raised concerns among league sponsors. But Schnatter’s comments mark the highest-profile example of an NFL partner publicly blaming the outcry for hurting business.

Could be Russian hand behind the NFL / NFL sponsor pizza sales drop:

The NFL protest debate is a great example of Russia using Twitter to manipulate Americans
Mashable Nov 1, 2017

 

[Madison320]

In addition to be a hateful person, you're also apparent a liar. This whole post is an obvious Ad hominem Fallacy, meaning your reasoning is compromised. Next thing we know you're going to be accusing him Ender of being a Communist unless he can prove otherwise, or a rapist, or a space alien, or whatever idiocy you think you can do to smudge his name. After all, you can't disprove his arguments so you're reduced to trying to poison his reputation to try and distract from your intellectual impotence.

Here's the one about South Africa:

"How to fix South Africa?"

South Africa's apartheid was bad but the current system is much worse. I think the incredible downfall of South Africa is a perfect lab experiment of democracy on steroids. Forget about the race angle, it's the unproductive voting to steal from the productive that's the problem. They turned their country into a socialist basket case in 25 years. I think the solution is to change the pool of voters. You have no "right" to vote to steal from someone else. If you are a parasite to the system you should not be allowed to vote. I'm not sure the best way to implement this, maybe only net taxpayers? Maybe a poll tax? Maybe only those who receive NO government benefits? But I'm sure the current system of 1 man 1 vote is seriously flawed.

Get the West outta there.

Here Ender criticizes Stefan Molyneux and later defends Nelson Mandela. Apparently Mandela, a communist, can be forgiven, but Molyneux cannot. That's inconsistent.

You mean the Stefan Molyneux that called Ron Paul a pig at the trough?

Can anyone tell me how he killed all these people when he was in prison during all those years? He was in solitary confinement much of the time. And he was a revolutionary fighting to free his people. Shall we say the FF are terrorists because of the Boston Massacre? Because they learned and used guerrilla warfare from the Indians were they savages?

By the way I view your silly neg rep as a pos rep! Considering the source!

 

[Ender]

Here's the one about South Africa:

Are you really using my very sensible remark, and also Ron Paul's POV, to try and make me look evil?

LOL!!!

Non-intervention is so unamerican!

Here Ender criticizes Stefan Molyneux and later defends Nelson Mandela. Apparently Mandela, a communist, can be forgiven, but Molyneux cannot.

Stefan Molyneux.......your god..........

 

[Madison320]

Are you really using my very sensible remark, and also Ron Paul's POV, to try and make me look evil?

LOL!!!

Non-intervention is so unamerican!



Stefan Molyneux.......your god..........

Nope. Your wrong. My position is consistent. I hate the Mandelas and the Molyneuxs of the world. You only hate the Molyneuxs.

I hate hypocrisy.

And show me where I ever supported Stefan Molyneux.

 

[Ender]

Nope. Your wrong. My position is consistent. I hate the Mandelas and the Molyneuxs of the world. You only hate the Molyneuxs.

I hate hypocrisy.

And show me where I ever supported Stefan Molyneux.

Dude- you just criticized me for criticizing Molyneux. And what I said about Mandela was true- he was in jail when some of the things he was accused of happened. Was he perfect? Absolutely not.

 

[dannno]

Says the one who wants to utterly remove the liberty and property rights of others for the evils of thoughtcrime. We'll build freedom by purging everyone who dares think anything not approved by the Central Committee, right Comrade? Or do you prefer Herr, Obergruppenführer? Either way that is some true Orwellian doublethink you've got going on there.

A society where everyone has to believe what you think is not free at all. It is an authoritarian monstrosity with the most oppressive laws possible. And you are an enemy to liberty.

I don't think he wants to arrest anybody for thought crimes, you could arrest them for attempting to create a criminal organization though. It would be like arresting somebody in a murder for hire scheme.

 

[phill4paul]

This all could have been avoided if the NFL ownership simply made the teams stay in the locker rooms until after the Nationalism was over.

Game over. No bullshit controversy.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Apparently TV viewership is down overall, across all networks and programs.

Looks to me like, more than anything, the internet is killing TV, including NFL TV ratings.

Sure, there is competition from Netflix, etc., but the networks have killed themselves by taking hard left positions. All of the late night shows might as well be old school communist propaganda shows. People are tired of it. Same with the NFL. I know of a lot of people who stopped watching (boycotted) NFL because of the politics, and they were doing it before Trump ever said anything about it.

People go to streaming after they turn off the networks. It's a chicken or egg debate. What came first, networks driving people away, or other options being available?