New video released of police beating Kelly Thomas to death (graphic photo in thread)

[phill4paul]

If it were Mundanes the list of charges would be this long

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[Pericles]

Exactly.

I don't wish to seem cross, but many in the freedom movement badly need a reality check:

(1) Freedom is not something you beg and plead for. It's not something you try to get by "reasoning" with the power-mad. Freedom is something that has to be TAKEN. If you can only get freedom by begging for it, then you're not really free at all, since even if you're granted privileges in response to your begging, those privileges can be taken away by FORCE at any time. To use an analogy, a dog on a 50-foot leash isn't any more free than a dog on a 5-foot leash, since the dog on the long leash CAN be put on a short leash whenever its master decides to do so.

(2) The only way to take freedom is through (a) the implicit threat of force, (b) the explicit threat of force, or (c) the actual use of force.

(3) Force has to be either economic or physical. If a population can't win its freedom and guarantee justice through economic means (such as boycotts), then its ONLY hope is to use violence.

I'd say I'm at 2(a) right now ....

 

[Captain Shays]

One is lead to ponder all the people these two, these four or five have tortured, beaten, or intimidated and haven't been caught or prosecuted. Hopefully others will come forward with their own complaints to amplify their mentality as exhibited during this horrible murder. This couldn't have just begun with Kelly. There must be others who didn't die. Who knows? Maybe these scumbags have killed people and got rid of the evidence before anyone else showed up. In fact, I wonder how many missing persons around this country are because of cops killing them with tasers or beating, shooting, kicking and clubbing them to death? Come on. If you were a cop who had that attitude toward people and you acted out and "accidently" wound up killing them is it to hard to believe that they would just get rid of the evidence so they wouldn't go through all the hoop la la?
At the very minimum there MUST be other victems of these cops. Maybe not full blown murder like they did to Kelly but beaten enough to scare them from EVER telling anyone about it. Maybe now if they're out there they'll have the courage to come forth as witnesses

 

[tod evans]

You must remember bullies only pick on the weakest, those who for some reason or another are unable to "defend" themselves.

I would imagine there's more than a few hookers/junkies/homeless people who these fine examples of LEO have "serviced".....But without video there's no case.

One is lead to ponder all the people these two, these four or five have tortured, beaten, or intimidated and haven't been caught or prosecuted. Hopefully others will come forward with their own complaints to amplify their mentality as exhibited during this horrible murder. This couldn't have just begun with Kelly. There must be others who didn't die. Who knows? Maybe these scumbags have killed people and got rid of the evidence before anyone else showed up. In fact, I wonder how many missing persons around this country are because of cops killing them with tasers or beating, shooting, kicking and clubbing them to death? Come on. If you were a cop who had that attitude toward people and you acted out and "accidently" wound up killing them is it to hard to believe that they would just get rid of the evidence so they wouldn't go through all the hoop la la?
At the very minimum there MUST be other victems of these cops. Maybe not full blown murder like they did to Kelly but beaten enough to scare them from EVER telling anyone about it. Maybe now if they're out there they'll have the courage to come forth as witnesses

 

[phill4paul]

I'd say I'm at 2(a) right now ....

My options shift by the second. I'm worried that I'm at a disadvantage by using the linear force continuum when an aggressor might be using a a circular force continuum. I consider my options on a sliding scale that is measured in seconds not philosophy.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

You must remember bullies only pick on the weakest, those who for some reason or another are unable to "defend" themselves.
I would imagine there's more than a few hookers/junkies/homeless people who these fine examples of LEO have "serviced".....But without video there's no case.

Move along now; there's nothing to see here. Wish I had a night-stick smiley

 

[Travlyr]

I'd say I'm at 2(a) right now ....

I'm not far off either. The number of these uniformed and badged meatheads caught on video beating the citizens is disgusting. The number that are not on video or otherwise reported is concerning.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My options shift by the second. I'm worried that I'm at a disadvantage by using the linear force continuum when an aggressor might be using a a circular force continuum. I consider my options on a sliding scale that is measured in seconds not philosophy.

Wisdom.

I owe you a rep when I get more ammo

 

[kcchiefs6465]

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[Captain Shays]

"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788


So is that why people don't fight back? Is that why we don't use at least the threat of violence a or b to stop the tyranny? That it happens "over there to that guy" but not in our face every day where we can see it happen?
I used to hate those Rodney King rioters for what they did to Reginold Denny and other innocent people but I totally understood why they felt the way they did. Unfortunately many of them wrongly blamed "white people". I guess some around here will say that some of us are blaming all cops by our comments. I don't think that's true however. I think by reading these posts what we're all concerned about is the abuse of authority by some. Not all.
The thing is, we also see it increasing in the number of instances and the severity of the abuse. I see it coming at me from all sides. It seems that just about every day there is another bill passed that takes away our freedom or totally violates the letter and spirit of our Constitution. The rate of growth of government in size, spending and intrusiveness into our lives has metastacized into ful blown cancer. All the while the "symptoms" (Kelly Thomas-Hope Steffy) more visible.

Not to be an insitgater but it's clear to me that this is going to come to a head at some point. The government and LE WILL push us too far at some point and I predict it's going to get ugly.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788


So is that why people don't fight back? Is that why we don't use at least the threat of violence a or b to stop the tyranny? That it happens "over there to that guy" but not in our face every day where we can see it happen?
I used to hate those Rodney King rioters for what they did to Reginold Denny and other innocent people but I totally understood why they felt the way they did. Unfortunately many of them wrongly blamed "white people". I guess some around here will say that some of us are blaming all cops by our comments. I don't think that's true however. I think by reading these posts what we're all concerned about is the abuse of authority by some. Not all.
The thing is, we also see it increasing in the number of instances and the severity of the abuse. I see it coming at me from all sides. It seems that just about every day there is another bill passed that takes away our freedom or totally violates the letter and spirit of our Constitution. The rate of growth of government in size, spending and intrusiveness into our lives has metastacized into ful blown cancer. All the while the "symptoms" (Kelly Thomas-Hope Steffy) more visible.

Not to be an insitgater but it's clear to me that this is going to come to a head at some point. The government and LE WILL push us too far at some point and I predict it's going to get ugly.

Nicely Stated Captain Shays

 

[Captain Shays]

You must remember bullies only pick on the weakest, those who for some reason or another are unable to "defend" themselves.

I would imagine there's more than a few hookers/junkies/homeless people who these fine examples of LEO have "serviced".....But without video there's no case.

The trouble is Tod that as the government grows bigger and stronger we ALL become the weakest among us.

 

[tod evans]

The trouble is Tod that as the government grows bigger and stronger we ALL become the weakest among us.

We have been for a long time.

It's just now with the internet and social media, video recordings etc. that Joe Citizen is becoming aware...

Convenient that as as the economy tanks "terroristic" activity necessitates more of these bullies roaming the streets with guns and body armor.

But wait..........Most of the "terrorists" have turned out to be more government agents.....

Hummmm?

 

[Jonse]

Sickening.

You'd think maybe people would have learned from the Rodney King beating that this sort of thing is wrong, but nope...doesn't look like we've come very far since then.

The fact that cops like this are still hired is a clear sign that obviously not enough is being done to determine the psychological health of a police officer. Cracks in their psyche must undoubtedly have had to show before now, yet somehow it was not identified.

It's also pretty sad how I see a few people saying things like "if he had followed orders this wouldn't have happened". It's easy to take that stance when some asshole cop pepper sprays kids in the face for protesting. However, somebody died resulting from this particular incident. Aside from his obvious inability to cooperate related to his disorder, excessive force is NEVER acceptable. They are supposed to be servants of the public and in no way is beating the shit out of someone catastrophically past the point of being subdued serving the public.

I'm glad to hear these cops got prison sentences. They will in no way be missed.

 

[catdd]

I just see it as more proof of the demise of this nation. The devaluing of the dollar, police acting more and more like brutal soldiers of the Roman Empire, socialists vs capitalists, black vs white.... Nobody seems to be capable of seeing the big picture other than us. "Most of our problems are the result of not respecting the Rule of Law - the Constitution of the United States." RP

 

[Captain Shays]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVdpKsc_qbY&feature=youtu.be

I am really afraid of the evil that has overtaken our country

 

[Captain Shays]

I'd suggest that the only person that "created" anything in this particular case was the asshole cop who gunned down this man's stepson, in a fucking school office, under questionable circumstances, and never so much as lost a day's pay over it.

That only confirmed what I already knew. It's been brewing a very long time. Maybe since I saw three cops beat the snot out of my friend, throw him down a flight of stairs hand cuffed behind his back at the round house in Philly and then proceed to cuff him to a pole and beat him even more. Then they came after me. One of them put a switchblade to my throat lifting me to my toes while another punched my in the gut. I went down and they all took turns punching and kicking me. I was 17 years old and got caught with 1/32 of a gram of hashish.
I watched every night on TV during the 60's how they beat protesters. How they beat black people who just wanted to have the same rights as everyone else.
Over the years every time I saw a black family be pulled over on one of New Jersey's roads, they ALWAYS had them behind the car as the cops searched it making those poor people look like criminals. Even little kids would be there waiting behind the cars.
I remember how four kids were killed at Kent State and 8 others shot one of them cripled for life. I remember what they did to the family at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Countless upon countless abuses. Countless innocent people languishing in jails all across our country. Countless people harrassed, tased, murdered and their lives ruined by authoritarian power hungry police and government officials. No this just didn't start with the words of AF or my 16 yr old autistic step son being shot five times at school by a cop who got away with it.

What I see in the deployment of 30,000 drones and passage of NDAA only continues the straight line from that to now. And YES I am very concerned.