new ron paul ad : immigration

[0zzy]

What's racist about enforcing the law? A nation has a right to refuse entry to every one who wants to immigrate there, or else it will what made it great in the first place and attacted all the migrants.

True. But what people are upset about is that Paul isn't a guilt-by-association/nationality type guy, and refers to the war on terror as dumb since terror is a tactic, and now his ad is saying terrorist nations (codeword for nations aiding terrorist).

I'm more upset that people don't see the bigger picture going on and realize this dispute and upset and whatnot is hurting the campaign not helping it, and we need to stick together this final hour. An ad is saying something that wouldn't even be possibly enacted for another year, we need to win the election this year.

We got people dying in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and now possibly Pakistan, and maybe Iran.
The dollar is crashing, people are getting poor, starving some.
Others are being tortured, and spied on.
And we want to fight about, a commercial.

 

[user]

True. But what people are upset about is that Paul isn't a guilt-by-association/nationality type guy, and refers to the war on terror as dumb since terror is a tactic, and now his ad is saying terrorist nations (codeword for nations aiding terrorist).

I'm more upset that people don't see the bigger picture going on and realize this dispute and upset and whatnot is hurting the campaign not helping it, and we need to stick together this final hour. An ad is saying something that wouldn't even be possibly enacted for another year, we need to win the election this year.

We got people dying in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and now possibly Pakistan, and maybe Iran.
The dollar is crashing, people are getting poor, starving some.
Others are being tortured, and spied on.
And we want to fight about, a commercial.

I've already had some problems with this campaign before, so for me this is just one more. I hear what you're saying and I do know RP is far better than the other major candidates. Let's talk about how this affects the election, then. This ad will look bad when we get to the general election. On the other hand, maybe it will fire up the GOP base later, too.

 

[LastoftheMohicans]

My two cents.

I'm a zero-government libertarian. I don't consider immigration, per se, to be the problem. I do recognize that government is causing "the immigration problem" by creating the incentives for immigrants to come here to get on the dole. The part of RP's platform that I agree with has to do with removing these incentives, including ending birthright citizenship and amnesty. With that said, the only thing I dislike about the ad is the "student visas from terrorist nations" thing. I don't think it's racist but I do think it is collectivist. They should modify the ad.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Great ad, more people are against illegal immigration than the war. Ron's ideas are great, just add and encourage the illegals to apply for 6 months work cards and if they are good, disease free, non criminal issue them the permit. Then they can drive ,travel and not have to hide. Also many more Mexicans and others will then also spend 6 months at home improving their country's.

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[Gordon]

What's racist about enforcing the law? A nation has a right to refuse entry to every one who wants to immigrate there, or else it will what made it great in the first place and attacted all the migrants.

That's a good question. Mexico has harsher immigration laws than we do. Is Mexico racist? Of course not.

 

[Gordon]

Great ad, more people are against illegal immigration than the war. Ron's ideas are great, just add and encourage the illegals to apply for 6 months work cards and if they are good, disease free, non criminal issue them the permit. Then they can drive ,travel and not have to hide. Also many more Mexicans and others will then also spend 6 months at home improving their country's.

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I think we could use more low level prisoners doing this work instead like they do in Washington state and colorado. I think we need to shore up the massive population increase that America has had and recover from it. Idealyl I would like those here illegally to be deported, just like mexico would do, but I understand that might not be easy or even possible.

 

[TheLibertyTree]

I like the ad. Not enough people know that RP has strong positions on immigration.

 

[Sarge]

I like the ad.

I live in AZ, and it shows it the way it is. My son is a Border Patrol Agent, and I think it hits the mark on what is going on at the borders.

 

[VTforRP]

Ok so I just read through the whole discussion here and finally caved in and downloaded it(dial-up sucks, but it actually went a bit faster then I thought).

REALLY? Racist? No one above seems to give any real evidence. Do you understand RP's reasoning on his immigration issues? First, he clearly distinguishes between legal and illegal immigration. Second, by giving illegals amnesty, welfare benefits, birthright citizenship, etc. we would only be encouraging more to come to this country illegally.

Now one of the touchiest issues here is birthright citizenship. I don't think RP wants to punish children for their parents mistakes but so long as illegal immigrants know that there kids will get the american benefits, they WILL come. And even this can in no way be seen as racist. Maybe cold to those not looking at the broader picture, but not racist.

Now there are a couple things I feel are missing from RP's illegal immigration policy. First a guestworker program. I saw someone mention it above but have not read/heard anything from RP himself. By enforcing the above legislation, illegal immigration would switch from those with the intent to stay, to those with the intent of economic advancement for their families in their home countries. The economic benefits are incredibly strong for these people. They can make much more by coming to our country and working, even at the lowest paying jobs in our country, then they could make if they stayed and worked the same jobs in mexico. This should be encouraged. It benefits both the guest workers and the U.S. They get higher paying jobs to support their families in their home countries, and we get the people we need to fill our "undesireable" jobs.

Secondly, Im not convinced that an overly secure/militarized border is neccesary. The above legislation would eliminate any reason for them to come over illegally. Also we need to make it as easy as possible for them to return on their own. Many of our illegal immigrants today would probably like to return to their countries at some point but it is extremely difficult for them to do so. I probably would support a physically secure border for reasons of terrorism and national security, but not immigration. If you think that drugs should be illegal then you can add that to the list, along with terrorism and national security.

Ok, I got a bit distracted, I'm out of time and need to head to work. I have a some other things to say but it will have to wait. I apoligize for rambling and any grammar/spelling mistakes, it's early still. To finish up, to those of you who feel this ad is racist, what is your evidence?

 

[joelfarm]

Immigration Reform IS a Winning Issue

For those of you Ron Paul supporters out there who have a problem with his no-nonsense aproach to the open borders problem, well, get over it. I do not appreciate his stance on the death penalty, but you will not see me raising hell about it. You need to look at the big picture. Face the fact that most Americans want our borders secure. Add in the disparities with the illegals who are already here, that allows them to attend many tax-payer funded universities at In State rates, while an American Citizen from another state pays much more: As everyday taxpayers find it harder to afford health care while illegals continue to swamp social services and Yes, the employment situation.
While it is admirable that you are trying to stand up for the downtrodden, you must realize that they are simply fodder, virtual slaves to the corporate power elite who allow them to come here. Do you really think that jorge bush and his crowd really have the best interests of Mexican Nationals at heart? Yeah, just as he is so concerned for the Iraqi people that he is sacrificing thousands of good Americans and billions of American tax-dollars.

 

[familydog]

No offense to anyone, the campaign doesn't really care some people here don't like the ad. They care about the GOP primary voting base liking it. No matter how many democrats, independents, disenfranchised people we get to vote for Paul, it's not going to be enough without the GOP base. Is the wording of the ad pandering? Yeah, it is. Is that wrong? Nah. It's politics. This idealistc dream world some people live in is rediculous.

 

[VTforRP]

While it is admirable that you are trying to stand up for the downtrodden, you must realize that they are simply fodder, virtual slaves to the corporate power elite who allow them to come here.

Joelfarm, That is an extemely uninformed statement. Why do you think that mexicans keep coming over if it's not to their benefit? They are voluntarily becoming "virtual slaves"? Because of the American dream? Gimme a break. They come over to make money. They can make more money in our country than working the same jobs in mexico. Sure the corporate elite might not care about the illegal immigrants but regardless whether they do or not the ilegal immigrants still benefit from coming here, and would still benefit to come here as guest workers even if the welfare benefits were taken away.