NEW POLL: Buttigieg surges in poll ahead of New Hampshire primary

[EBounding]

If Sanders barely wins, Bloomberg is going to be the nominee.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

It's a great podcast. He makes a lot of the points we were making in the SOTU thread. Debt, deficits etc. weren't even mentioned. Big spending Donald doesn't want to be honest with Americans.

This kind of statement could hit a nerve with GOPA wing bases already somewhat demoralized after recent neoconish manifestaions.

 

[kahless]

Saying Trump has flaws is an understatement. I will vote for Trump but Trump is a bad person. His whole life is one long lie.

The list of Trump being awful is endless whether it is personal life, the way he conducts himself in business dealings, the compulsive lying, etc. Trump is would be an evil villain in an Ayn Rand novel.

Trump did not boast about cheating on his wife with a stripper. It was a private matter that should have been kept private. It was the news media that damaged the moral fabric of this country by exposing a private matter. Buttplug on the other hand is openly gay. Big difference here.

Trump despite his flaws is a family man and has done some good in this world compared to far worse choices or behavior I wanted or expect in his position. But it was all that was available compared to a list of evil scumbags.

A large segment of Christians are immoral bigots.

If he was a family member or friend I would accept him and treat him as I would anyone else. Not accepting a person with a moral defect in a position that effectively represents the moral authority of this country does not make one a bigot.

Sad we have reached a time in history that people are becoming afraid to speak to the truth due to the militant gays calling everyone bigots.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Trump did not boast about cheating on his wife with a stripper. It was a private matter that should have been kept private. It was the news media that damaged the moral fabric of this country by exposing a private matter. Buttplug on the other hand is openly gay. Big difference here.

Trump despite his flaws is a family man and has done some good in this world compared to far worse choices or behavior I wanted or expect in his position. But it was all that was available compared to a list of evil scumbags.



If he was a family member or friend I would accept him and treat him as I would anyone else. Not accepting a person with a moral defect in a position that effectively represents the moral authority of this country does not make one a bigot.

Sad we have reached a time in history that people are becoming afraid to speak to the truth due to the militant gays calling everyone bigots.

He loves being in the media. He would alert them about his affair with Marla Maples while married to Ivana. He flew both of them to Aspen at the same time.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-times-trump-cheated-wives-780550

Trump's first marriage imploded on the covers of all of New York's tabloids after he brazenly took his mistress, Marla Maples, on a family vacation in Aspen along with his wife, Ivana, and attempted to hide her away until she approached Ivana and said, "I'm Marla and I love your husband. Do you?"

A famous issue of the New York Post in 1990 featured a quote from Maples plastered across its front page—"Best sex I ever had!" referring to Donald—while he was still married to Ivana. Trump famously pushed the story forward and called the tabloids to make sure his name stayed in the papers. At the time, he was a prominent New York real estate figure, but not known for much more than that.

In a recent memoir, titled Raising Trump, Ivana refers to the mistress as "freaking Marla."

Marla Maples (1993-1999)

When Trump was dating his one-time mistress, Marla Maples, he famously posed as his own spokesman, "John Miller," and told a People reporter that he'd never marry Maples, and that he had "three other girlfriends" at the time.

"He may be immoral- but he is OUR immoral guy!"

 

[Krugminator2]

Trump did not boast about cheating on his wife with a stripper. It was a private matter that should have been kept private. It was the news media that damaged the moral fabric of this country by exposing a private matter. Buttplug on the other hand is openly gay. Big difference here.

Trump despite his flaws is a family man and has done some good in this world compared to far worse choices or behavior I wanted or expect in his position. But it was all that was available compared to a list of evil scumbags.



If he was a family member or friend I would accept him and treat him as I would anyone else. Not accepting a person with a moral defect in a position that effectively represents the moral authority of this country does not make one a bigot.

Sad we have reached a time in history that people are becoming afraid to speak to the truth due to the militant gays calling everyone bigots.

Actually Trump has boasted about his cheating. He did with Marla Maples. (edit I wrote this before Zippy pounced in that as well.)

Trump steals from people. He makes stiffing people a business strategy where if they want to get paid they have to sue to recoup costs.

Trump University was a boiler room crock if shit.

Trump even compulsively cheats at golf. I won't even say what should happen to golf cheaters because he is an elected official.

Trump is is the single biggest sleazeball ever to hold the presidency but Buttigieg being gay is the problem?

You can be against homosexuality. You can say it is disqualifying morally to be president. You can't say Pete Buttigieg isn't morally fit but then support Trump. Trump is vile trash.

 

[kahless]

....

A family man that cheated on his wife 15-30 years ago is not seen the same as an openly gay man in the here and now.

The choice being a very flawed example of a moral character or one that celebrates their immorality. Which one do you think people are going to pick, not how you would like people to think?

 

[kahless]

Actually Trump has boasted about his cheating. He did with Marla Maples. (edit I wrote this before Zippy pounced in that as well.)

Trump steals from people. He makes stiffing people a business strategy where if they want to get paid they have to sue to recoup costs.

Trump University was a boiler room crock if shit.

Trump even compulsively cheats at golf. I won't even say what should happen to golf cheaters because he is an elected official.

Trump is is the single biggest sleazeball ever to hold the presidency but Buttigieg being gay is the problem?

You can be against homosexuality. You can say it is disqualifying morally to be president. You can't say Pete Buttigieg isn't morally fit but then support Trump. Trump is vile trash.

None of that really matters because people do not care about him cheating on his wives in the past as much as Pete being an openly gay man.

 

[Zippyjuan]

None of that really matters because people do not care about him cheating on his wives in the past as much as Pete being an openly gay man.

Unless your name is Clinton.

 

[RJB]

Unless your name is Clinton.

Democrats don't care about Clinton's abuse of women, Republicans don't care about Trump's. So I take neither party's dramatics seriously.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If he wins the nomination it guarantees a Trump win. The thread title and replies are a good example of why he will never be President.

The majority of Christians voting for the equivalent of person that represents the values of Sodom and Gomorrah? Not going to happen.

The Bernie Bros will never vote for Mayor Cheat.

 

[kahless]

The Bernie Bros will never vote for Mayor Cheat.

True and there will be a backlash regardless of whoever gets the nomination if it is not Bernie. I wonder if Hillary or Michelle O swooping in at the convention and putting Bernie on the ticket, would he accept it and would that placate his supporters enough to turn out to vote.

 

[Swordsmyth]

True and there will be a backlash regardless of whoever gets the nomination if it is not Bernie. I wonder if Hillary or Michelle O swooping in at the convention and putting Bernie on the ticket, would he accept it and would that placate his supporters enough to turn out to vote.

I don't know whether he would be offered the VP slot, whether he would take it or whether some of his supporters would accept that.
But a large part of his supporters would see it as selling out to the people who cheated him (and them) AGAIN, many were angered when he supported Hitlery after she got the nomination.

 

[RonZeplin]

A family man that cheated on his wife 15-30 years ago is not seen the same as an openly gay man in the here and now.

The choice being a very flawed example of a moral character or one that celebrates their immorality. Which one do you think people are going to pick, not how you would like people to think?

Unfortunately, the openly gay have already moved into the White House.

Donnell Trump's Drag Queen Story Hour

 

[Zippyjuan]

Trump advisor Roger Stone at Gay Pride:

 

[Swordsmyth]

President Donald Trump said he was a different kind of Republican. As someone from liberal New York, he signaled that he would be the person to finally move his political party on LGBTQ issues. He held up a Pride flag at a campaign event, and he said the key acronym (“L, G, B, T … Q”) at the 2016 Republican convention.
But Trump’s administration, based on its first year, has been anything but LGBTQ-friendly.
“He campaigned saying that he would be a good friend to LGBT people,” James Esseks, director of the ACLU’s LGBT and HIV Project, told me. “Actions speak far louder than words. And what he’s done has been a wreck.”
In its first year, the Trump administration has tried to reinstate a ban on transgender people in the military. It has nominated multiple people to the courts and elsewhere who have anti-LGBTQ records. It has directed its army of federal lawyers to take the anti-LGBTQ side in court cases. And it has done some extraordinarily petty things, like refusing to recognize Pride Month.


Many of the anti-LGBTQ actions the Trump administration took during its first year got very little attention in the mainstream press, typically receiving a couple of days of coverage at most. But as I reviewed the administration’s record, I was surprised by its breadth and scope. Altogether, it represents a distinctly anti-LGBTQ agenda.
Trump “doesn’t talk a lot about LGBTQ people,” Rebecca Isaacs, executive director of the LGBTQ rights group Equality Federation, told me. “But he’s done so many things that are as anti-LGBTQ as you could possibly be.” She added that they are things that might not seem “as clear as being anti–marriage equality,” but ultimately are anti-LGBTQ.
Here are some of the major anti-LGBTQ actions that Trump took during his first year in office:

• He tried to reinstate a ban on trans people joining and openly serving in the military. The Obama administration in 2016 announced plans to reverse the ban in 2017. But Trump, in a series of tweets last July, announced he would bring it back, arguing that trans-related health care is expensive. (Research from the RAND Corporation indicates that it would make up “a 0.04- to 0.13-percent increase in active-component health care expenditures.”) So far, Trump’s ban has been stymied by the courts — and trans people are now allowed to openly enlist and serve.
• Trump appointed Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to replace the consistently anti-LGBTQ Antonin Scalia. Although Gorsuch had a vague record on LGBTQ rights when he was nominated, civil rights advocates argued that, based on some of his past writings on marriage equality and religious issues, he could be a big opponent for LGBTQ equality. In just a few months on the bench, Gorsuch has proven advocates right; for one, he dissented against a Supreme Court ruling that requires states to list same-sex parents on birth certificates.
• Nearly one-third of Trump’s judicial nominees have anti-LGBTQ records, according to Lambda Legal. These nominees, if accepted by the Senate, may rule on major LGBTQ issues over the next few years, from anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ workers to trans access to bathrooms.
• The Trump administration rescinded a nonbinding Obama-era guidance that told K-12 schools that receive federal funding that trans students are protected under federal civil rights law and, therefore, schools should respect trans students’ rights, including their right to use bathrooms and locker rooms that align with their gender identity.The Trump administration took back the guidance altogether, arguing trans students aren’t protected under federal civil rights law.
• Trump’s Justice Department also rescinded another Obama-era memo that said trans workers are protected under civil rights law. This has enabled the federal government, including its army of attorneys, to now argue in court that anti-trans discrimination isn’t illegal under federal law. The courts are ultimately independent of the Trump administration, but the federal government can play a big role in legal arguments by throwing its people and resources behind a case.
• In a major Supreme Court case, Masterpiece Cakeshop Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the Trump administration argued in court in favor of Masterpiece Cakeshop, a bakery that’s claiming First Amendment rights to discriminate against same-sex couples. The case could have potentially enormous repercussions — opening a big loophole in anti-discrimination laws, particularly those that protect LGBTQ people, by letting business owners cite religious or moral justifications to discriminate.
• Trump’s Justice Department argued that anti-gay discrimination is legal, filing a friend-of-the-court brief claiming that the federal Civil Rights Act doesn’t protect gay and bisexual workers. The lawsuit in this case was filed by Donald Zarda, a skydiving instructor who says an employer, Altitude Express, fired him due to his sexual orientation. The Justice Department in effect argued that this was legal under federal law.
• The Justice Department has similarly taken anti-LGBTQ steps in other cases across the country, including one about North Carolina’s anti-trans bathroom law and one about discrimination against trans people in health care. “We’ve gone from a position where LGBT people are protected to one where we’re not,” Esseks of the ACLU said.
• The Trump administration sent out a “religious liberty” guidance to federal agencies, essentially asking them to respect “religious-liberty protections” in all of the federal government’s work. It’s unclear what kind of impact the guidance will have, but LGBTQ organizations worry that it will be used to justify discrimination against LGBTQ people within the federal government and its work.
• The Department of Health and Human Services enacted a new regulation and created an agency, the Division of Conscience and Religious Freedom, that will purportedly work to ensure health care providers’ religious liberties aren’t violated. LGBTQ groups argue this agency will effectively give doctors, nurses, and other medical staff cover to discriminate against LGBTQ people, because providers will now get protection from the federal government if they cite religious or moral objections to refuse service to LGBTQ patients.
• Without explanation, Trump fired all the members of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS. “It’s outstanding,” Isaacs said. “HIV isn’t only in the LGBTQ community, but it largely is.”
• Trump failed to recognize LGBTQ Pride Month.

More at: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/...tq-anniversary


And that was just the first year.

 

[kahless]

Unfortunately, the openly gay have already moved into the White House.

Donnell Trump's Drag Queen Story Hour

Trump advisor Roger Stone at Gay Pride:

Both irrelevant since neither are running for President. I do not think anyone wants gays to be discriminated against rather they just will not vote for them for President.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

I do not think anyone wants gays to be discriminated against rather they just will not vote for them for President.

EM.
Not sure if you ever been to any Christian Conservatives gathering but that statement is not entirely accurate.. even if things have been shifting on this issue towards a more liberal/progressive bent since Obama and Trump's drives for LGBTQ civil rights.

Pew Research Center












UT-TT Poll: Texans Divided on Gay Marriage

 

[Swordsmyth]

EM.
Not sure if you ever been to any Christian Conservatives gathering but that statement is not entirely accurate.. even if things have been shifting on this issue towards a more liberal/progressive bent since Obama and Trump's drives for LGBTQ civil rights.

Pew Research Center












UT-TT Poll: Texans Divided on Gay Marriage

That's not government discrimination.
People have a right to choose whom they associate with and marriage has a definition.

 

[kahless]

EM.
Not sure if you ever been to any Christian Conservatives gathering but that statement is not entirely accurate.. even if things have been shifting on this issue towards a more liberal/progressive bent since Obama and Trump's drives for LGBTQ civil rights.
...
UT-TT Poll: Texans Divided on Gay Marriage

To add to Sword's comment, government should not be in the business of marriage anyway.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

That's not government discrimination.
People have a right to choose whom they associate with and marriage has a definition.

Until liberal progressive Obama changed the definition, gummit did not allow 'gay marriage'.
In your view a consenting man has the right to marry two consenting women ?


Now other people are trying to change definition again.

[h=1]Polygamy: The Next Marriage Rights Frontier![/h]
Why same-sex marriage will pave the way to polygamy

By Peter Sprigg

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?415788-Polygamy-The-Next-Marriage-Rights-Frontier!&