New Hampshire free, New York not

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I live in NJ and the police will pull you over for taking your seatbelt off just with your car running, not even driving. They stop you all the time for walking down the sidewalk in the evening, and use the excuse "I smelt pot" to pull over every single teenager. I got pulled over before for "blocking" traffic, when it's was really a truck that cut in front of me that caused a traffic jam in the first place. Police didn't care.

 

[freedom-maniac]

Oklahoma, a state which has some of the best concealed carry laws, and the best homeschool laws, in the nation, is not ranked as highly as Indiana, the first state to simply write off the Fourth Amendment. Why? Because you can't buy liquor in a drug store in Oklahoma?

Somebody's criteria on this thing is, well, certainly not my criteria.

+1

The problem is so many of these studies are arbitrary. And let us never confuse being free from "taxes and regulation" with being "free" in general.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, well...*facepalm*

Whaddya ya want from me?

In Remembrance... of the LIVE FREE STATE

New Hampshire Primary, both McCain and Romney had gambled much on the state. McCain had staked much on his grassroots efforts in the state he won in 2000, as well as the state with one of the most independent voting blocks which was McCain's favor. Romney, coming from neighboring Massachusetts, was known by many in New Hampshire and even owned a home in the state of New Hampshire. Pre-Primary polling showed McCain with a slight edge (32%-28%)with Huckabee leading Giuliani for third (12%-9%).

Primary results: McCain won 37% to Romney's 32% Ron Paul took one county.
McCain lost New Hamsphire in the Presidential general election to Obama 54-45%

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oklahoma, a state which has some of the best concealed carry laws, and the best homeschool laws, in the nation, is not ranked as highly as Indiana, the first state to simply write off the Fourth Amendment. Why? Because you can't buy liquor in a drug store in Oklahoma?

Somebody's criteria on this thing is, well, certainly not my criteria.

True enough.

FWIW you can't buy distilled liquor in NH outside of a state liquor store.

Also FWIW, they are cheap as hell.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yeah, well...*facepalm*

Whaddya ya want from me?

Statistics are nice for propaganda talk... for starters, the granite state/FSP could give some results, which history has proven the voters are not so FREE or LIBERTY minded for Ron Paul.

At least Nevada gave very good results... A 2nd place primary finish AND a resultant 3 GOP delegates for Ron Paul.

No Stats... Just Results.

 

[ItsTime]

Statistics are nice for propaganda talk... for starters, the granite state/FSP could give some results, which history has proven the voters are not so FREE or LIBERTY minded for Ron Paul.

At least Nevada gave very good results... A 2nd place primary finish AND a resultant 3 GOP delegates for Ron Paul.

No Stats... Just Results.

Apparently you have not looked at the make up of BOTH the house and senate in NH. They are filled with Ron Paul republicans. Times are changing.

And NV has a caucus not a primary like NH.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Apparently you have not looked at the make up of BOTH the house and senate in NH. They are filled with Ron Paul republicans. Times are changing.

And NV has a caucus not a primary like NH.

Yes I am well aware and I know it's been posted here before.

Where's Ron in all the Polls in NH again?

How many delegates did NH vote for RP again?

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1608

 

[ItsTime]

Yes I am well aware and I know it's been posted here before. BUT where's Ron in all the Polls in NH again?

Ever think its Ron Paul the people of New Hampshire dont like, not his ideas? I have, and we need to change that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Statistics are nice for propaganda talk... for starters, the granite state/FSP could give some results, which history has proven the voters are not so FREE or LIBERTY minded for Ron Paul.

At least Nevada gave very good results... A 2nd place primary finish AND a resultant 3 GOP delegates for Ron Paul.

No Stats... Just Results.

LoL - I was partly pulling your leg.

Yes, Nevada delivered, no doubt.

I still have no idea where McPain came from in 08...

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

LoL - I was partly pulling your leg.

Yes, Nevada delivered, no doubt.

I still have no idea where McPain came from in 08...

Somebody in the campaign staff needs to address the women vote in NH... Ron is polling tied for last with women voters. It's just not NH, Ron does awful with women voters across the nation. Now why would Ron do so badly for a person that was a doctor delivering more than 4000 babies? What is setting women voters to dislike him so much, that unknown Herman Cain has more than twice the support and Romney scores more than 7 times the support in NH?

PS: OK, just did the math on the latest NH poll... of women that voted for a republican candidate in the upcoming primary,

5% support RP,
22% support Palin
25% vote Romney
Bachmann, Cain, Newt all tied with 10% of women votes each.
The rest of the field split the other~10+%

 

[Keith and stuff]

For those living in NH, where are some good cities to live? What is considered decent pay per hr? (My experience is in sales, B2B, marketing) I've kicked the idea about moving around, but I get more serious by the day.

Because taxes are so low and there isn't much crime you don't need as much money to live in NH as the other near-by states. You could live an OK life in NH on $10 an hour if you were smart about it but pay tends to be higher in NH than other places. I think NH has either the highest median household income or the 4th highest median household income, depending on how you look at it (whether you average it over the last 4 years or not.) Property taxes varies wildly in NH from town to town and city to city depending on what the people in that town want. In some towns, people on average pay twice as much in property taxes as people in other towns.

As for good places to live, a lot of liberty folks are gathering in Manchester/Nashua/Concord/Portsmouth/Dover/Rochester/Seabrook/Keene/Grafton and other places and also places near those places. Some people start out renting a room or apartment in Manchester or a near-by town, find a job or nice house somewhere else and then move there.

 

[BuddyRey]

This study is highly flawed in a few key respects. Don't get me wrong; I know NH is a beacon for freedom, especially compared to the surrounding states. But, for just one example, they have South Carolina listed as less free than North Carolina, and North Carolina even less free than Virginia. I can tell you as a native North Carolinian who's spent a great deal of time in SC and VA that this couldn't be further from the truth. Taxes are outrageous here compared to SC, gun laws are stricter (heck, we're not even "allowed" to have fireworks), and if charged with a felony here (charged, not convicted), you can have your DNA collected and put in a state database.

South Carolina is enviably, gloriously free in comparison (though certainly not as free as it could be). Whoever put this graph together also failed to note the amazing legislative successes that have happened in Wyoming and Idaho since the state nullification movements there have taken hold. You can now legally conceal a firearm in Wyoming without a government concealed carry permission slip. That's pretty darn amazing from my East Coast frame of reference.

 

[Keith and stuff]

In a couple years I may be pulling up roots. And NH is in the running. Here's a question: although NH might be relatively free, it is surrounded by some very populous, very statist states. What happens if things get ugly? South Dakota would be much farther from any socialist population centers. Does it matter? What do y'all think?

NH isn't surrounded by very populous states. VT is #2 in the nation for personal freedom and is less densely populated than NH. ME ranks high for personal freedom and is less densely populated than NH. MA and the states near it (except for NH) tend to be pretty socialist (especially NY and RI) but I think it lost people over the last 10 years or something. The parts of Canada near NH aren't very populated either.

If you are in to living off the land, homestead, gardening and all of that, there are families doing that in NH. NH is the type of places where you can make your own sugar (from maple or bees), raise your own meat and eggs, collect your own water (from wells) and heat your house by cutting down your trees. NH is the 2nd most forested states behind only Maine. NH also has an international border, most of it is very sparsely populated and there is even a coastline.

NH has the lowest crime in the nation and the lowest poverty in the nation. While it's true that some folks to travel to NH from MA to commit crimes, NH has arguably the least restrictive self-defense/weapons laws in the nation and then continue to improve year after year.

Also, I like that people from MA come to NH to buy guns/fireworks/smokes/drinks/swords and everything else. It keeps taxes down and money in the pockets of NH folks.

 

[Keith and stuff]

This study is highly flawed in a few key respects. Don't get me wrong; I know NH is a beacon for freedom, especially compared to the surrounding states.

You can now legally conceal a firearm in Wyoming without a government concealed carry permission slip.

No offense but did you read the publication? The study may be flawed in some ways but you really didn't say anything that would indicate that. I recommend reading it, it's pretty interesting http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

As for the recent legal change in WY, the researches stopped collecting data in 2009 so no doubt things would look differently now. This was the second study. Both the 1st and now this study claim that NH is the freest state. In 2003, the FSP voters selected NH as the FSP state. A tend is developing. Perhaps a 3rd study will come out in 2013 and it will use 2011 as the cut off date for data or something.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Somebody in the campaign staff needs to address the women vote in NH...

Someone needs to address the women's vote WRT to freedom issues, period.

Every time I bring the subject up, I'm shouted down as some sort of grunting Neanderthal.

But the fact is woman do not vote for freedom candidates as a whole, just like blacks, as a demographic, do not vote Republican.

We can rant and rave about collectivism all we want, but that's the facts.

 

[Anti Federalist]

bump for another thread.

 

[Keith and stuff]

OK, here is the detailed research, the list of factors. If you think the states are in the wrong order, please look through this and point out some errors. Heck, the authors of the study might even like the help. I'm sure they want to do as good a job as possible

http://www.statepolicyindex.com/the-research/

BTW, Jason Sorens is going to be at Porcfest this year, http://porcfest.com/ and the day after Porcfest both of the authors are likely going to be in Concord, NH giving a presentation about the study.

 

[Keith and stuff]

So the presentation in Concord, NH happened on Monday. Here is info about it.

http://www.nhpr.org/free-state-project-founder-gives-nh-thumbs

Free State Project Founder Gives N.H. Thumbs Up
By Dan Gorenstein on Monday, June 27, 2011

The founder of the Free State Project says New Hampshire is moving in the right direction. NHPR’s Dan Gorenstein reports.

And while only some 900 Free Staters have come, movement founder Jason Sorens says when you look at bill’s that have passed and the new budget- this Legislature is hitting many of the Project’s policy goals.

“We have a caucus in the statehouse of about 50 people who are more or less Libertarian, or classical Liberal, the Natural Rights Council. We haven’t had that before. I would agree the current statehouse has a definite Libertarian tinge to it.”

One critic- who attended the talk- said the Free State agenda threatens to change the state into a libertarian society beyond recognition to most Granite Staters.

 

[Theocrat]

Free State Worship?

I've been thinking a little bit about moving to a new place, and NH sounds a little bit better each time I hear about the Free State Project. One of my concerns is where to find a good church in NH. I was considering moving to Manchester, so I guess that would be a good place to research for churches I would like.

 

[Southron]

If I lived in the Northeast, I would definitely consider NH.