New email - Ron wants help with congressional seat

[devil21]

Perhaps they feel that the most urgent need was for the congressional campaign and were affraid that people would donate to the presidential and not have anything left for the congressional. At this point the presidential race is truely in the delegates hands.

No disrespect to RP but I dont give a rat's ass about the Congressional campaign, nor do a lot of other people.
Im in the camp that feels that if after 10 terms serving TX-14, RP loses to some empty suit newbie neo-con schmuck like Peden then no amount of donated money to the Congressional campaign is going to make a difference. Peden hasnt raised much at all from anybody other than himself anyway. I personally didnt go through all the ups and downs of the presidential campaign to focus on a Congress seat that has no bearing on me (or most of yall) at the end. My feelings may be unpopular but I dont particularly care if he gets re-elected to Congress since I dont live there. He'll just go back to being "Dr. No" and making no difference in legislation. I just feel the congressional campaign is getting in the way of the presidential campaign now. There are still primaries left, there are still states to buy ads in, there are still states to visit to gain votes and the presidential campaign is all but forgotten other than a few stumps in Texas? Whatever.

 

[Liberté]

I had a chance to investigate this Chris Peden guy, it looks like this is going to be RP's fight of his life. I actually wish Dr. Paul COULD use his Presidential Funds to defend his home seat; 2008 may see us lose the GOP nomination and our only conservative congressman.

Is there any way Dr. Paul can use his Presidential Funds in his Congressional run? If he drops out can he use them?

 

[Infamouswoodster]

I just feel the congressional campaign is getting in the way of the presidential campaign now.

While I can see your point, I must note thats its not well thought out. While you may fancy "microwave instant" politics, the real world doesn't work that way.
I will point out a few things.

The reason most people like Ron, is because he has history of Voting consistently....Yes, thats right, In congress.

The reason he gets face time is because he's a Congressman.

Legislation, Bills, amendments and a number of offices and positions are appointed by the Congress.

His vote in congress DOES affect you. You think the system is broken now? Lets picture it without Dr No. having a say (or others like him).

Every seat, every position and office MATTERS.

So lets attack on all levels, can you multi-task?

So, now those are out in the open, Hopefully you can see this presidential campaign was started and is founded on his congressional track record and seat. To let that fall by the wayside would be the opposite of the Very things Congressman Paul stands for.

Sorry if His principles don't play to your impatience.

 

[LukeNM]

No disrespect to RP but I dont give a rat's ass about the Congressional campaign, nor do a lot of other people.

I felt the same way until early this afternoon after getting Ron Paul's email. Then I realized if he looses on March 4th he will be still running for President, but he won't really even be a congressman. That is all you would here about -- so your thoughts are very flawed and spoken like a true dissenter. We have to support his bid for congress.

 

[devil21]

While I can see your point, I must note thats its not well thought out. While you may fancy "microwave instant" politics, the real world doesn't work that way.
I will point out a few things.

The reason most people like Ron, is because he has history of Voting consistently....Yes, thats right, In congress.

The reason he gets face time is because he's a Congressman.

Legislation, Bills, amendments and a number of offices and positions are appointed by the Congress.

His vote in congress DOES affect you. You think the system is broken now? Lets picture it without Dr No. having a say (or others like him).

Every seat, every position and office MATTERS.

So lets attack on all levels, can you multi-task?

So, now those are out in the open, Hopefully you can see this presidential campaign was started and is founded on his congressional track record and seat. To let that fall by the wayside would be the opposite of the Very things Congressman Paul stands for.

Sorry if His principles don't play to your impatience.

Think what you want. I didnt sign up for, invest my time and money in this campaign, to decide to be happy with the MAIN GOAL being held up (during Presidential primaries no less!!!) because of the congressional race that Paul should win easily anyway. This is a presidential campaign and I stand by my assertion that the presidential campaign has been hijacked intentionally to pay for the congressional race (check my original post on this thread).

I preferred all-out Ron Paul for President, not cover-your-ass Ron Paul for Congress. Did the campaign even run an ad or make an appearance in Wisconsin??

 

[Ladiliberty]

Though the campaign ran very few ads in Fl. There were several pacs for radio,tv ads...Gotta remember good ol Rudy was a shoe-in... Well until the NYFD followed him around a bit...TeeHee

 

[devil21]

I felt the same way until early this afternoon after getting Ron Paul's email. Then I realized if he looses on March 4th he will be still running for President, but he won't really even be a congressman. That is all you would here about -- so your thoughts are very flawed and spoken like a true dissenter. We have to support his bid for congress.

Ah yes, pardon me for dissenting by complaining that while the presidential campaign sits on at least $5 million cash on hand (as of Feb 11...probably more now), they didnt run a single ad or make a single visit to Wisconsin, which holds a primary today. I guess I should be happy with another 4% finish in a presidential primary while I get emails asking for money for the congressional race that RP will win easily.

 

[buffalokid777]

Ah yes, pardon me for dissenting by complaining that while the presidential campaign sits on at least $5 million cash on hand (as of Feb 11...probably more now), they didnt run a single ad or make a single visit to Wisconsin, which holds a primary today. I guess I should be happy with another 4% finish in a presidential primary while I get emails asking for money for the congressional race that RP will win easily.

Devil,

Ron Paul made his congressional re-election campaign donation goal, without your help. So please quit whining.

Let's face facts here, RP is probably not gonna win this race for the GOP nomination.

So what's the best thing to do?

Drop out so he can use his presidential campaign funds for his congressional run?

Or stay in the race, so he can take his delegates to the national convention for a prominent speaking spot in hopes that he might talk some sense to the warmongering republicans who are destroying the GOP and America and ask for donations for his congressional campaign?

I have issues with the campaign in the way it was run.

I truly expected the campaign to take the donations and buy name recognition. Instead they invested in get out the vote efforts. Which IMHO was doomed to fail, because you need name recognition before getting them out to vote and RP didn't have name recognition so IMHO the get out the vote effort was simply putting the cart before the horse.

A mistake by national HQ, YES...it definately was.

But the money is still there, and the campaign is left with two choices, use it for advertising for remaining primary/caucus states.

Or use it to get like minded people re-elected.

We are not going to win the GOP nomination......

But we have the chance to get more people with Ron Paul's views into congress and the senate.

What is the smart way to spend the money?

On a presidential campaign we know we can't win without going 3rd party?

Or getting some like minded people, along with Ron Paul, into positions of power inside the GOP?

The answer is easy.....fight the battles you can win.

 

[devil21]

Isnt Ron Paul's congressional campaign staff the same people as the presidential campaign staff? Are they getting paid twice?

 

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[DocMoose]

Isnt Ron Paul's congressional campaign staff the same people as the presidential campaign staff? Are they getting paid twice?

Good lord. How old are you, twelve? Any more complaints?

Well I have none. That's because as a long-time libertarian, I realize that Ron Paul has given us an unprecedented shot at victory. And I don't mean victory in November, either. A long term victory where we win the majority in both house and senate, and eventually the presidency. A beltway full of constitutionalists...that's my dream. That's the only way we're going to take this country back. Ron Paul put the train on the tracks for us, now we need to take it home. And the loss of his congressional seat would be devastating, morally and otherwise. So grow a pair, and realize just how good we have it.


DocMoose

 

[Mayflower]

I will be donating to Dr. Pauls Congressional campaign and I am going to send what I can to Walter Jones. He is a true patriot that has been helping us fight the illegal alien invasion and he has worked very hard to get Ramos and Compean released from prison. I believe that the GOP is making a strong effort to rid Congress of the members that continue to work to save our Country.

 

[jmdrake]

Isnt Ron Paul's congressional campaign staff the same people as the presidential campaign staff? Are they getting paid twice?

Answer to question 1: There is some crossover. Jesse Benton went to Texas to help with this.

Answer to question 2: Quite unlikely. It's more likely that they are doing 1 1/2 times the work for the same pay.

Now something you should consider. Texas is also holding a presidential primary! Yep I wish we had done better than 4% in Wisconsin, but I hope we'll do better then the current 8% in Texas. Texas has a LOT of delegates. Ron Paul needs to do well in his home state. A high turnout of Ron Paul votes in his district should help in the quest for Texas delegates. There might be people who might stay at home on March 4th thinking "Ron Paul has no chance for the Whitehouse but will win his congressional seat anyway." The urgency (real or not) of the congressional campaign might get some of those votes out. I agree with you that the congressional campaign is an unwelcome distraction, but it might help the presidential campaign more than you think.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[Johnny Crab]

Since we live here and have been supporting RP for a long time, we donate to both.

RP as President would be amazing.
If you think folks are waking up now, imagine if "their President" were telling them Constitutional truths instead of getting angry and calling the Constitution "a GD piece of paper".

It's a win-win IMO.

 

[klamath]

I am getting real sick of people slamming RP for wanting to keep his Congressional seat. There is almost no chance he can win the nomination at this point and it is all about keeping the movement going and expanding on it. If he loses his seat in his own district the whole movement is doomed. I cannot believe how stupid some people are about campaigns. For a man to lose his home state or district while running for president is like a man standing on a 30 foot ladder and having the ladder jerked out from under him. "Wow his own people don't even like him!"
That will really send the message that his ideas are totally against what the American people want! Talk about adding to the mindset of "he can't win"!

 

[johnrocks]

This worries me!

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/02/is_ron_paul_losing_for_congres.php

We can't allow Paul to lose his Congressional seat!!!

 

[devil21]

Good lord. How old are you, twelve? Any more complaints?

Well I have none. That's because as a long-time libertarian, I realize that Ron Paul has given us an unprecedented shot at victory. And I don't mean victory in November, either. A long term victory where we win the majority in both house and senate, and eventually the presidency. A beltway full of constitutionalists...that's my dream. That's the only way we're going to take this country back. Ron Paul put the train on the tracks for us, now we need to take it home. And the loss of his congressional seat would be devastating, morally and otherwise. So grow a pair, and realize just how good we have it.

DocMoose

Im not some long suffering libertarian so your idea of success is way different than my idea of success I guess. And for the record, I havent complained about much of anything up until now. Ive donated to all sorts of projects and will be working to get RP a good showing in NC. That may be where a good part of my frustration comes in now. A mindset of "why bother" is starting to kick in. If the presidential campaign doesnt care enough about the race anymore to spend time and money in remaining primary states, while also handling the congressional race, why should I care anymore? Its frustrating to me to see the campaign basically give up on primary states when the race isnt over yet and RP is supposedly still in it. I guess Im venting more than anything....

 

[Just Come Home]

Im not some long suffering libertarian so your idea of success is way different than my idea of success I guess. And for the record, I havent complained about much of anything up until now. Ive donated to all sorts of projects and will be working to get RP a good showing in NC. That may be where a good part of my frustration comes in now. A mindset of "why bother" is starting to kick in. If the presidential campaign doesnt care enough about the race anymore to spend time and money in remaining primary states, while also handling the congressional race, why should I care anymore? Its frustrating to me to see the campaign basically give up on primary states when the race isnt over yet and RP is supposedly still in it. I guess Im venting more than anything....

Well, I too am a long suffering libertarian, and I've seen wimps like you come and go. If you've got a mindset of "why bother" at this point in time, you aren't cut out for this. You should probably go watch Survivor. If you don't understand how important the congressional seat is in this battle, then nobody here can help you. This should be obvious.

It's not going to get any easier for us. It's only going to get tougher. Whiners don't add anything to the experience. We need people who are up for a battle.

This movement has been around for a lot longer than the Ron Paul presidential campaign, and we're further along than we've been in a decade. This is thanks to the Ron Paul presidential campaign, but that wasn't possible without the congressional seat. At the end of the year, if we come away empty handed, it will be a devestating set back. We cannot lose that seat.

 

[amistybleu]

Wow, I gave 100.00 last night when it was at 600,000 and now he is pushing a MILLION Go get those neo con bastards Ron.

 

[devil21]

Well, I too am a long suffering libertarian, and I've seen wimps like you come and go. If you've got a mindset of "why bother" at this point in time, you aren't cut out for this. You should probably go watch Survivor. If you don't understand how important the congressional seat is in this battle, then nobody here can help you. This should be obvious.

It's not going to get any easier for us. It's only going to get tougher. Whiners don't add anything to the experience. We need people who are up for a battle.

This movement has been around for a lot longer than the Ron Paul presidential campaign, and we're further along than we've been in a decade. This is thanks to the Ron Paul presidential campaign, but that wasn't possible without the congressional seat. At the end of the year, if we come away empty handed, it will be a devestating set back. We cannot lose that seat.

You obviously have somewhat different motivations in your support for Dr. Paul and thats fine, but dont insult me because Im not one of you long suffering libertarians. It appears that yall are more concerned with moving your libertarian agenda forward. I just want an *honest* politician in the White House that I agree with on some issues. You seem concerned with just maintaining a libertarian (big or little L) voice somewhere. Like I said, thats fine but not everyone has the same motivation that you Libertarians do. I got with this campaign to get him into the White House....not sniff the White House by being the most successful libertarian candidate, but still lose.