New Documentary “Blood Money”: Planned Parenthood’s Abortion Quotas

[tajitj]

New Documentary “Blood Money”: Planned Parenthood’s Abortion Quotas

I know, I know there are alot of documentaries coming out. But it does not hurt to watch another one. I plan on buying and watching the ones coming from our friends. Abortion is a big issue for some so I figured it might be of interest.


Found this via RightSoup.com, it is a good site, check it out.


YouTube - Bloodmoney Trailer

 

[KAYA]

Thanks! I was at a recent town hall discussing issues with an Obamatron and he asked me since I claim to be a libertarian why am I against abortion and I told him it is because I believe in our founding documents which state we have the natural God given right to LIFE, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness. Abortion steals the life of one in order to convenience the life of another.

 

[Reason]

I call bullshit on the idea that PP has quotas on killing babies kkthxbai.

 

[BlackTyrone]

Anyone seen this movie?

 

[hazek]

Can someone prove me wrong please:
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I'm against the use of violence unless it's for self defense.

Those who do not want to get pregnant, have a variety of measures they can use to control whether they want to allow that to happen or not with a very high efficiency.

If a person recognizes, that they are unable to provide for a child for what ever reason and employs these measures but for what ever reason gets pregnant anyway, they are not entering this state willingly.

If it's against their will and it puts their body and life in danger, killing a fetus in it's early stage is no different then killing a criminal in self defense who attacks you in an alley since the fetus threatens their private property (their way of life, their body).
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Please show me where I went wrong with my reasoning?

 

[Baptist]

Anyone seen this movie?

Yes. The pro life club at my school showed it in November. I emailed two dozen churches in a thirty minute radius, every college Republican and spiritual club at colleges within an hour radius, and every tea party within an hour radius. Plus we took out ads in the paper. Rented a 300 person auditorium and about twenty people showed up. Welcome to America. 60,000 people cram our stadium to watch people in tight pants throw around a dead pig but we could not get more than twenty to watch this movie.

The flick is good, definitely worth watching. A few of the women came off as exaggerating but other than that it just presents facts that all of us in the fight know to be true. There are no graphic pictures or video, and no naked bodies or boobs.. There are three or four semi-graphic descriptions of abortions gone wrong, though. These are given by a lady who used to own a Planned Parenthood in Texas.

 

[2young2vote]

Can someone prove me wrong please:
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I'm against the use of violence unless it's for self defense.

Those who do not want to get pregnant, have a variety of measures they can use to control whether they want to allow that to happen or not with a very high efficiency.

If a person recognizes, that they are unable to provide for a child for what ever reason and employs these measures but for what ever reason gets pregnant anyway, they are not entering this state willingly.

If it's against their will and it puts their body and life in danger, killing a fetus in it's early stage is no different then killing a criminal in self defense who attacks you in an alley since the fetus threatens their private property (their way of life, their body).
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Please show me where I went wrong with my reasoning?

I very much disagree with this bold statement. You need to ask yourself what the natural point of having sex is. The point, reason, or objective of having sex is to produce more humans. It is not to love a person more or to have a good feeling, it is to have children. No matter what reasoning you have behind doing it, it always has the same natural purpose. By consenting and having sex you are engaging in an act that you KNOW can or will produce another human. Because you are engaging in the act you are consenting to have children. You can have as many condoms or pills as you want, but if you are willingly engaging in an act that you know can or will get someone pregnant, then you are consenting. This isn't like driving to the store and there was an accident on the way. This is like being in a demolition derby and saying you weren't willing to having your car banged up. It makes no sense at all.

 

[hazek]

When used correctly, a male condom is about 98 per cent effective.

from http://www.condomeffectiveness.com/

The birth control pill, ring, and patch can be up to 99.9% effective

from http://www.pregnancy-info.net/pregnancy_pill.html



So no, if I use protection, I have sex for the fun of it and certainly do not want to get pregnant which also isn't going to happen 99.9% of the time.


It's almost like saying you loaded a gun with blanks and aimed and shot at a person therefor you meant to kill that person.

And it's actually exactly like giving someone a bulletproof vest, then stepping away aiming and firing at the vest and therefor having the intention of killing that person.

 

[dannno]

You need to ask yourself what the natural point of having sex is. The point, reason, or objective of having sex is to produce more humans. It is not to love a person more or to have a good feeling, it is to have children. No matter what reasoning you have behind doing it, it always has the same natural purpose.

Uhhhhh..... I know HUNDREDS of people who have had sex hundreds of times a year for years and years and years and years and NEVER have kids. So do you, most likely, unless you live in a REALLY small REALLY conservative town. It's just a part of the natural relationship that males and females have (and in some cases male/male or female/female). I have a friend who is with a girl and they NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER plan on having kids, they've been together for years and don't intend on leaving each other, they have sex all the time.

Sex is required for good mental, physical and spiritual health.

So I completely disagree that sex is only for having kids.

 

[hazek]

dannno what do you think about my argument about abortions being self defense if pregnancy wasn't entered into willingly? Is it flawed somewhere?

 

[dannno]

dannno what do you think about my argument about abortions being self defense if pregnancy wasn't entered into willingly? Is it flawed somewhere?

People kill animals for food, and I completely convinced that killing animals is far more painful for the victim than very early term abortions, in fact I don't think that early term abortions affect the fetus at all, I don't think the fetus is 'aware' at that stage. It is simply potential for life, which I will get to in a minute. People kill, people destroy parts of the earth, people sin. It's part of life, and not all that horrible. Although people should attempt to reduce their impact in these areas (except the bullshit sins, like having sex). That means you can eat meat all the time, if that's your choice, or you can choose to kill less animals and eat less meat, or eat no meat, if you choose.. The key is to live life to it's fullest without creating too much unnecessary negative impact. Hopefully people will choose animals that are treated and killed in a more humane manner. Hopefully people having sex will do their best not to get pregnant unless they want to. Not having sex to prevent pregnancy, in my opinion, is like someone who loves meat and craves it all the time forcing themselves to be a vegetarian. You only live once, live your life, sex is a beautiful thing, it's our greatest gift.

So some people make the argument that a fetus is potential life, and we must protect it at all costs even if it doesn't feel pain.. Well, I don't buy that, because with that logic having sex with a condom is killing potential life as well, and nobody can convince me that it isn't. When a girl decides she is attracted to a guy and she consciously or unconsciously decides that he is 'mate worthy', then the girl at some point changes her mind for whatever reason and decides to push the guy away, that is killing potential life, just as much as abortion imo. People could be having kids all over the place if they lowered their standards and weren't thinking about the future, but we aren't, we are denying the creation of life constantly throughout our lives in favor of creating what we believe is a better life in the future, whether it is ours or our childrens'.

I don't think abortion is ever a good thing, obviously the goal is to have sex and prevent the pregnancy in some way before it happens, and if it doesn't, and the person really doesn't want the child, it should be taken care of asap. I think most people are pretty rational about this, and most people would agree it should be done as early as possible if done at all. I think medical abortions are a violent way of doing it, and I prefer natural abortive remedies which cause miscarriage. It is much cheaper, and I actually coined the phrase "Abortion Industrial Complex" in the last thread because I think there is an abortion industry in this country that is suppressing natural methods for birth control in favor of expensive and violent medical procedures.

 

[Brett85]

Sex is required for good mental, physical and spiritual health.

I'm not so sure about the spiritual part.

 

[hazek]

Interesting take dannno, thanks

 

[dannno]

I'm not so sure about the spiritual part.

According to LDS doctrine you cannot enter the highest spiritual kingdom in heaven unless you get married and have kids.

And look at Catholic Priests.. I mean, ya, some men don't have much in the way of a sex drive, they would make good Catholic Priests and there are plenty of good Catholic Priests.. but look at the ones who actually have a healthy sex drive, they end up molesting a bunch of kids.. That's because healthy men with healthy sex drives and healthy urges towards women around their own age won't become Priests in the first place. They just won't. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever in a million years would subject myself to that, because I'm rated a solid 9 in sex drive -> Sex drives are one of those things you have on a scale of 0-10. Most men in their teens and twenties hover around 7 or 8, most women hover around 3 or 4.. but there are plenty of men that are down in the 0-1, and plenty of women in the 9-10 range. A person with a healthy sex drive not having sex is not going to be spiritually healthy. A person with a low sex drive not having sex can be spiritually healthy.

 

[jmdrake]

Uhhhhh..... I know HUNDREDS of people who have had sex hundreds of times a year for years and years and years and years and NEVER have kids.

And Sarah Palin shot at a caribou 8 times before hitting. So?

So do you, most likely, unless you live in a REALLY small REALLY conservative town.

So now you're going to persume what someone you have never met is really doing in their private bedroom? (And note the ID is "2 young 2 vote").

It's just a part of the natural relationship that males and females have (and in some cases male/male or female/female). I have a friend who is with a girl and they NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER plan on having kids, they've been together for years and don't intend on leaving each other, they have sex all the time.

Sex is required for good mental, physical and spiritual health.

Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa.... Ummm... No.

So I completely disagree that sex is only for having kids.

The primary biological reason for sex is reproduction. Yeah there are other benefits. And you don't have to be a "believer" to understand this. Even from an "evolutionary" point of view, sex can best be explained as a means to propagate the species. The fact is that individuals in the species used to die out a lot younger than they do now. And there were high infant mortality rates. So for the species to survive the members needed to propagate early and often. Now there is the same sex drive, but different needs. (Some may argue that the drive is even higher due to more cultural stimulation, but that's another topic).

Further, the person you were responding to said this: No matter what reasoning you have behind doing it, it always has the same natural purpose. Of course there are other reasons for sex, but the natural purpose (evolutionary or creationary) is reproduction. That doesn't mean sex without reproduction is wrong. It does mean though that whenever fertile man and woman have sex there is the possibility of reproduction. If someone really doesn't want kids they can reduce that risk to practically zero.

 

[jmdrake]

Oh, and here's something else.

If it's against their will and it puts their body and life in danger, killing a fetus in it's early stage is no different then killing a criminal in self defense who attacks you in an alley since the fetus threatens their private property (their way of life, their body).

I don't know about "libertarian theory", but legally you don't have the right to kill someone just because he threatens your "private property" or your "way of life". Self defense only applies to protecting your own life or the life of someone else. You must feel yourself to be physically in imminent danger to successfully raise the defense of self defense.

 

[dannno]

So now you're going to persume what someone you have never met is really doing in their private bedroom? (And note the ID is "2 young 2 vote").

I did say "most likely" and "unless (conservative town)", but I specifically made that statement to him because I'm pretty sure his peer group is having more sex than the parents of said peer group.. unless it's a really conservative peer group he's in.. in which case that last part could STILL be true..

Even from an "evolutionary" point of view, sex can best be explained as a means to propagate the species. The fact is that individuals in the species used to die out a lot younger than they do now. And there were high infant mortality rates. So for the species to survive the members needed to propagate early and often.

Thank you, this proves my point.. Our bodies are designed to pump out a bunch of kids at a young age and use our physical strength to feed and protect them. The more kids we have the more likely for more people surviving. Now we have as situation where supporting kids is all about being responsible and hardworking, often in non-physical ways, so older men are better able to support children. Younger men are better off educating themselves rather than having children, even though biologically that is what they are supposed to be doing! It's totally fucked up.

Now there is the same sex drive, but different needs.

Ya, precisely.. we also have more technology to help prevent births, and since young people aren't ready to support kids in this society yet they are biologically inclined to do so, birth control becomes very good to have.

 

[pcosmar]

so, birth control becomes very good to have.

Self control is a much better thing to have.

 

[jmdrake]

I did say "most likely" and "unless (conservative town)", but I specifically made that statement to him because I'm pretty sure his peer group is having more sex than the parents of said peer group.. unless it's a really conservative peer group he's in.. in which case that last part could STILL be true..

All cause for speculation, but continue.

Thank you, this proves my point.. Our bodies are designed to pump out a bunch of kids at a young age and use our physical strength to feed and protect them. The more kids we have the more likely for more people surviving. Now we have as situation where supporting kids is all about being responsible and hardworking, often in non-physical ways, so older men are better able to support children. Younger men are better off educating themselves rather than having children, even though biologically that is what they are supposed to be doing! It's totally fucked up.

That doesn't mean that sex is "required for good health". In fact many eastern religions feel quite the opposite. (Sex uses up "chi" etc). But yes, I agree that the change is social expectations that puts off marriage until after college (or in some cases graduate school) adds to the sexual tension in society.

Ya, precisely.. we also have more technology to help prevent births, and since young people aren't ready to support kids in this society yet they are biologically inclined to do so, birth control becomes very good to have.

I didn't know anybody was arguing against birth control.

 

[oyarde]

And Sarah Palin shot at a caribou 8 times before hitting. So?



So now you're going to persume what someone you have never met is really doing in their private bedroom? (And note the ID is "2 young 2 vote").



Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa.... Ummm... No.



The primary biological reason for sex is reproduction. Yeah there are other benefits. And you don't have to be a "believer" to understand this. Even from an "evolutionary" point of view, sex can best be explained as a means to propagate the species. The fact is that individuals in the species used to die out a lot younger than they do now. And there were high infant mortality rates. So for the species to survive the members needed to propagate early and often. Now there is the same sex drive, but different needs. (Some may argue that the drive is even higher due to more cultural stimulation, but that's another topic).

Further, the person you were responding to said this: No matter what reasoning you have behind doing it, it always has the same natural purpose. Of course there are other reasons for sex, but the natural purpose (evolutionary or creationary) is reproduction. That doesn't mean sex without reproduction is wrong. It does mean though that whenever fertile man and woman have sex there is the possibility of reproduction. If someone really doesn't want kids they can reduce that risk to practically zero.

Now I am wanting some grilled caribou .