New Dietary Guidelines: Cut Sugar, Eat More Veggies

[dannno]

Looked at a chemical analysis for ConcenTrace. http://www.traceminerals.com/pdfs/TMR_cert-of-analysis_TMD.pdf

Amounts are nearly zero except for Calcium, Chloride and Magnesium. Basically a calcium chloride salt (which is used for salting roads). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_chloride

Aluminum (7.7) and Fluoluride (4) and phosphorus (7.7) are the only other ones present at more than one part per million. Adding it to water dilutes the amounts even further.

It says half tsp to a gallon of water- one gallon has 1,536 half teaspoons so the parts per million need to be divided by 1,536 to get the final amounts of "trace elements" which drops them down to less than one part per billion- nutritionally insignificant amounts.

Good, whatever it is it is probably close to the correct amount that we are supposed to have no matter how small.

One thing I learned from growing plants hydroponically is that sometimes less is more.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

That's such horse shit, diabetes is caused by carbs eating away at your insulin response.. I went paleo about 3.5 years ago and at the same time one of my friends decided to go on a low fat, high carb diet for lifting. I told him he was going to get diabetes. He got really big because he was able to give a constant energy source to his muscles and work them really hard, and ate just enough protein to help them grow. He gained about 60 lbs of muscle mass and has become huge.

My resting blood glucose has gone down to about 80, and his went up over 100 and he is now pre-diabetic according to his doctor. He is starting to take my dietary advice.

im willing to bet your friend ate alot of "complex" carbs so-called like pasta and whole wheat bread...

 

[dannno]

For once, it seems that a government report manages to get something right. I am quite surprised. It should be rather obvious that having less red meat, which can cause cancer, and having more vegetables, which can fight cancer, are healthy choices to make.

The average American who eats a lot of red meat is getting their red meat from McDonalds and fast food places, they are eating mostly burgers with buns and lots of french fries and soda. That sounds like a high carb diet to me.

These red meat studies are totally bogus, they never test people who are paleo and who are eating grass fed and pastured meats.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/#axzz3xrNPoaH7

 

[dannno]

im willing to bet your friend ate alot of "complex" carbs so-called like pasta and whole wheat bread...

Isn't that what the study in the OP indicates is healthy?

Anyway, he ate a lot of both... white rice before workouts which are relatively fast release, complex carbs, massive amounts of carbo loading muscle gainer during and right after his workouts (mostly simple carbs) and brown rice after for more sustained release complex carbs.

Both will cause insulin spikes, both will degrade your insulin sensitivity and both will eventually cause diabetes if eaten in large amounts for a sustained period.

 

[farreri]

Uh, no the oldest people usually come out and talk about how much bacon they eat every day.

You misunderstand. I'm not talking about the anecdotal oldest persons here and there in which some of those people even smoked cigarettes which I'm sure you agree that's not part of a healthy lifestyle.

I'm talking about the oldest groups of people from certain geographical locations who all followed a similar diet. Want to guess who? Hint: it not the Eskimos that the low carb gurus love to tout!

No, as I said it is because the meat we eat comes from unhealthy animals that eat grains. Carbs cause all sorts of disease, mostly related to inflammation because carbs are inflammatory.

Carbs aren't inflammatory by themselves. When you eat too much fat in a carb-based diet, then problems start happening, but it's not the carbs' fault. It's the excess fat along with it.

Grains and sugar by itself have little to no nutrient content.

Well sugar doesn't because its processed--like with vegetable oil--and processed white rice and flour have been stripped of a lot of their nutrient content, but whole grains have plenty of nutrients and that's why all successful civilizations based their diets around whole grains and why all esteemed scientific groups recommend to base your diet around whole grains.

Actually humans created pretty much all of the fruit and vegetables we have today. 10k years ago, most of that fruit was NOT very sweet at all and had a lot of seeds until we came along and decided to breed fruit for its sweetness and fiber content.

That's just propaganda from diet gurus who promote some kind of high fat diet, like Paleo or even gourmet raw gurus who try to demonize fruit. What you should also know is those gurus also heavily sell supplements. They don't want you to eat a lot of healthy fruit, because they want to keep you from optimal health so they can sell you their supplements.

Humans largely had a difficult time finding very many carbs before 10k years ago.

Chimpanzees and orangutangs never had a problem finding enough carbs! When humans started migrating above and below the equator zone, then they had to start relying on more meat because of the seasons and their higher meat intake was causing problems to them even way back when as scientists have found atherosclerosis in mummies.

Sorry, you are the one buying the government paradigm on diet nonsense.

I never said I want the govt promoting a certain diet. Remember the 4 Food Groups plan that was created by the dairy industry?! The food pyramid was on the right track, but they should of restricted animal products to 2-3 servings a week, not per day.

That's such horse shit, diabetes is caused by carbs eating away at your insulin response..

Do fruit-eating apes get diabetes? Never. Saturated fat and cholesterol eats away at beta cells and saturated fats and oils blocks your cell's insulin receptors.

I went paleo about 3.5 years ago and at the same time one of my friends decided to go on a low fat, high carb diet for lifting. I told him he was going to get diabetes. He got really big because he was able to give a constant energy source to his muscles and work them really hard, and ate just enough protein to help them grow. He gained about 60 lbs of muscle mass and has become huge.

Trust me, your friend wasn't eating as low fat as you think and he probably was taking a lot of stuff to help him grow mass he wasn't telling anyone, if you know what I mean.

My resting blood glucose has gone down to about 80

That's because you're essentially taking carbs out of the equation on a low carb diet.

As a concerned person about people's health, I highly recommend against any type of low carb diet, including Paleo.

 

[farreri]

The average American who eats a lot of red meat is getting their red meat from McDonalds and fast food places, they are eating mostly burgers with buns and lots of french fries and soda. That sounds like a high carb diet to me.

Um, soda is about the only "high carb" item fast food places carry.

These red meat studies are totally bogus, they never test people who are paleo and who are eating grass fed and pastured meats.

Mummies have been found with hardened arteries. Pretty sure they weren't eating factory raised meats back then.

www.marksdailyapple.com

Mark Scisson. Why would you get your dietary advice from a guy who deceivingly makes people think his muscular ripped body is partly due to his Paleo diet version when the real reason he's so muscular is because he does steroids? Isn't that extremely dishonest of him?

will-eating-red-meat-kill-you

Will it? Maybe not. Can it? Yes, just like smoking too many cigarettes can.

 

[specsaregood]

Mark Scisson. Why would you get your dietary advice from a guy who deceivingly makes people think his muscular ripped body is partly due to his Paleo diet version when the real reason he's so muscular is because he does steroids? Isn't that extremely dishonest of him?

Why? Because so many of us have experienced amazing, real benefits from following his advice, that is why. I don't really look at his muscles and don't really give a crap if he does steroids (not that I have any reason to believe you either). What I do know is that I dropped 65lbs easily and kept it off following his advice. I know that all my blood work has done nothing but improve following his advice. I do know that I feel healthier and have more energy and fun than I ever felt/had before I started following his advise. And I am not alone, there are others on this site with similar and even better results. That is why.

edit: also, I get to enjoy what I'm eating! hell, get slim and fit and eat good food? hell yeah I'll keep following his advice.

 

[farreri]

Why? Because so many of us have experienced amazing, real benefits from following his advice, that is why.

Maybe because you come from an even worse diet?

and don't really give a crap if he does steroids

Not even if he does them to deceive people into believing you can look like him with his diet plan and working out alone? Aren't you against fraud and for personal responsibility?

(not that I have any reason to believe you either).

This site shows a before & after pic of him in only two years he went from scrawny to buffed and has a video of his own writing promoting testosterone use. It's pretty obvious he juices.
http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/...nly-promotes-steroid-usage?xg_source=activity

also, I get to enjoy what I'm eating!

You don't enjoy rice, bread, potatoes, corn, or fruit?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

dannno wins the thread. Well done, comrade.

 

[specsaregood]

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[Chester Copperpot]

Nope, ate primarily vegetarian and all the crap they said was good for me. All I did was get fatter and hungrier.


You eat what you want and whatever works for you, the primal diet works excellently for me.

This is exactly the right advice.. everybody is different and everybody will need different nutients and because of this different foods will taste better or worse to us.

 

[Yieu]

Sometimes people who are for low-carb or paleo diets think it is impossible to be healthy while eating grains and not eating meat. But, it is healthy to eat grains and not eat meat. There are many people who are vegetarian and healthy. I feel that point needs to be made sometimes, as a reminder, when people get very much into the paleo/primal arguments, because sometimes it seems like the goal of some who follow such ideologies is to fight against the idea that it is healthy to be vegetarian.

Edit: Additionally, I believe that the vegetarian diet is healthy for every human, but solely for reasons of taste preference, people may prefer to have meat. But I am not demanding that people be vegetarian or judging those who are not -- I only maintain that it is healthy to be vegetarian, and there is no health-based need to have meat.

 

[farreri]

Nope, ate primarily vegetarian and all the crap they said was good for me. All I did was get fatter and hungrier.

I'd really like to hear what you used to eat in a day because it's not too often I hear someone say they got hungrier yet fatter on a plant based diet! Did you eat a lot of those vegan alternative meats? Did you eat a lot of stir fry?

Not at all. I've never liked most sweet fruits.

But I bet you like blueberries, right?!

And all that other stuff is bland and boring, its the stuff you put on them or mix with them that is good. It aint the spaghetti in the spaghetti and meatballs that is good, its the meatballs and marinara.

You know, when I when eating low carb, it was rare that I ate any animal products without some time of spice or condiment to help it taste less bland, so you'll have to excuse me that I think that's kind of a weak argument.

You eat what you want and whatever works for you, the primal diet works excellently for me.

Well, it might seem to work in the short term, especially if you came from an unhealthy or unsustaining diet, but these low carb fad diets haven't been around really that long to see longterm results and those Eskimos that the Paleo gurus love to promote weren't exactly as healthy as they claim they were, so don't be too surprised if you develop heart disease are get a stroke in a couple of decades. It's why I speak out about these high fat and protein fad diets.

 

[farreri]

Sometimes people who are for low-carb or paleo diets think it is impossible to be healthy while eating grains and not eating meat. But, it is healthy to eat grains and not eat meat. There are many people who are vegetarian and healthy. I feel that point needs to be made sometimes, as a reminder, when people get very much into the paleo/primal arguments, because sometimes it seems like the goal some who follow such ideologies is to fight against the idea that it is healthy to be vegetarian.

Edit: Additionally, I believe that the vegetarian diet is healthy for every human, but solely for reasons of taste preference, people may prefer to have meat. But I am not demanding that people be vegetarian or judging those who are not -- I only maintain that it is healthy to be vegetarian, and there is no health-based need to have meat.

You pretty much summed it up. People have gotten spoiled eating these high fat foods that were once only afforded to be eaten on a daily basis by the super wealthy, like kings and queens, but now thanks to technology (and govt subsidies), these high fat foods have become relatively dirt cheap, so it's become harder for people to resist eating like kings and queens on a daily basis when the average person used to only be able to afford to eat these high fat foods on a weekly or monthly basis.

But lets admit some other big reasons why these low carb diets have become very popular, especially amongst Republicans and Libertarians. Eating meat has always been traditionally seen as a macho thing as it used to be the strong warrior types who went out to hunt and kill big game and got all the glory coming back to their communities with the impressive big kills and they probably got to eat bigger portions of the kills for all their hard and dangerous work and this allowed them to grow bigger than the other guys in the village because they were getting more calories than the rest and both of these reasons helped them get the hot chicks in their villages. Look how obsessed guys get with body building and how much meat and dairy they think they need to eat to get "big and strong" to impress the ladies when really the reason eating all those foods helps them get bigger is because they are higher in calories. Vegetarians and vegans have always been seen as wimpy and weak by the average guy.

And another big reason is small government people see vegetarians and vegans as big govt leftists trying to tell them what to eat and how to live their lives, so eating lots of meat is seen as defiance and a symbol of their freedom. Too bad eating all that meat and dairy is going to wreck their health and impede on other people's freedoms by wrecking the planet.

I sum up these low carb fad diets as hearing good things about their bad habits. These low carb diet maybe be healthier than the SAD diet--the worst diet out their--but in the end these low carb fad diets are unhealthy as even the Eskimos had the same rates of heart disease and stroke as people eating the western diet.

The fact is, the healthiest and longest living groups of people in the world are plant-based and base their diets around those "evil" grains.

 

[dannno]

lol... I used to be vegetarian for 10 years and was very concerned about what I ate. I ate a lot of supplements - spirulina, amino acids, various vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidant boosters. I was pretty healthy, but became a lot more healthy once I turned paleo. Now I have a giant box of supplements from over 3 years ago that I barely touch.. I don't know very many paleo/primal dieters that advocate a lot of supplementation for general health and diet. I take some Vitamin D occasionally because I have a 9-5 work schedule and don't get enough sun. Other than that, I mostly only take supplements related to immune function if I'm trying to fight off being sick.

Humans evolved over hundreds of millions of years, it's only the last 10,000 year we have had grain heavy diets. You seem to be really focused on what humans have eaten the last 10,000 years and have little knowledge or concern about what we ate before that. It is common knowledge that the fruits and vegetables we have today were bred by humans and the original form of those were very different and had much lower carb content. Some humans have evolved somewhat to eat grains, but many do not have genetic heritage from civilizations that ate heavy grain diets and those people have the most difficult time with it.

 

[farreri]

lol... I used to be vegetarian for 10 years and was very concerned about what I ate. I ate a lot of supplements - spirulina, amino acids, various vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidant boosters.

Why did you feel the need to take so many? You only need B12 and Vitamin D (realistically) if you do a plant based diet correctly. And I never said they're aren't some plant based promoters who promote supplements to earn an extra buck. There's lots of different ways to eat a plant based diet and most of them aren't exactly healthy and those are the one's who are usually promoting lots of supplements.

I was pretty healthy, but became a lot more healthy once I turned paleo.

I'm interested to hear in what ways you felt healthier.

I don't know very many paleo/primal dieters that advocate a lot of supplementation for general health and diet.

https://www.primalblueprint.com/supplements/
http://www.julianbakery.com/vitamins-and-supplements/

And I find it quite humorous that a lot of these Paleo sites sell of all things protein powders!

Humans evolved over hundreds of millions of years, it's only the last 10,000 year we have had grain heavy diets. You seem to be really focused on what humans have eaten the last 10,000 years and have little knowledge or concern about what we ate before that. It is common knowledge that the fruits and vegetables we have today were bred by humans and the original form of those were very different and had much lower carb content. Some humans have evolved somewhat to eat grains, but many do not have genetic heritage from civilizations that ate heavy grain diets and those people have the most difficult time with it.

That Paleo mantra has been debunked and it's been shown the longest and healthiest living groups of people followed a low fat grain-based diet with relatively little meat.

 

[Suzanimal]

I love muh veggies. Nothing wrong with eating lots of them. As a matter of fact, I just bought The Thug Kitchen cookbook (vegan) to learn different ways to prepare them and possibly go meatless for a few meals a week. I go mostly grain free, avoid processed food, watch my dairy consumption, try to eat lots of veg, some fruit, lean meat or fish, and cook with olive oil and coconut oil. My theory is 90/10. Ninety percent of the time I'm very mindful about what I put in my body but the other 10% of the time, I eat the crap. Sometimes a girl just needs a bowl of buttermilk and cornbread - it's good for the soul.

 

[farreri]

try to eat lots of veg, some fruit

I used to have fruit phobia too.

How did it get to the point where the "experts" say humans should eat a lot of vegetables, but only a little bit of fruit? We are closer related to chimpanzees, not gorillas.

 

[Suzanimal]

I used to have fruit phobia too.

How did it get to the point where the "experts" say humans should eat a lot of vegetables, but only a little bit of fruit? We are closer related to chimpanzees, not gorillas.

I don't have a phobia but if I don't watch it, I'll fill up on it. I usually have some berries (I keep blue & straw in the freezer) with breakfast and another piece of fresh fruit later in the day.

 

[farreri]

if I don't watch it, I'll fill up on it [fruit].

And what's wrong with that?!