New CNN SC Poll

[jersdream]

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com

If you don't like the massaged poll results then do something about it.


(and if you're still paying any attention to this "jersdream" person's posts, stop)

For posting facts. I can actually analyze. You can't handle facts apparently.

People say they didn't poll people under 50, when that isn't possible. He is at 9% with the over 50 group, yet 13% overall. People can't read a poll, including yourself.

Also your unprovoked attack has been reported to the moderators.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

I could have SWORN I saw a poll like a week ago that had us in second place with 20%.

 

[jersdream]

I could have SWORN I saw a poll like a week ago that had us in second place with 20%.

There was one with us in 3rd place with 20% from American Research Group, which we all say is inaccurate. But, ARG isn't as bad as most believe.

But when you think about it 13% to 20% isn't that big of a difference, considering margin of error and the like.

 

[hazek]

9% with the 50 and older crowd which will never change until the corporate media propaganda machine has them under it's spell and therefor Ron has ZERO chance.

I warned you but noooo, you knew better.

 

[PastaRocket848]

there's definitely more than enough undue optimism around here. we spend as much time spinning facts as the faux news folks do...

 

[Lord Xar]

Great point. I don't think the polls can factor in all these key popular conservative state senator endorsements of late...

These endoresments were barely mentioned in the news. How will the voter know or hear of them?
Do they email/call their constituents!

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I think Paul will struggle until at least February 7th. I'm hopeful he can win all three states that day. He's going to struggle in the south, because they have a "mess with us and get a boot up your ass." kind of mentality. They are just gushing with pride in the southern states, and people like that are the hardest to reach.

Starting Feb 7th, we should all know if Paul stands a chance, but Super Tuesday in March is the big one, with the exception of Georgia and Mass., I'd say he can potentially win all of those states. But thats only if the message gets out.

Ron Paul pleases Christians, Muslims, athiest, young people, blacks, whites, hispanics, and pretty much anyone and everyone except elite Jews and false christians. Problem is...some of those groups don't know it yet. So keep spreading the message.

 

[rb3b3]

here is an example of the avg above 50 year old voter.. this happened to me today... i have been boasting to my coffee guy about ron paul for the last week.. today he comes in and says to me... yeah your boy paul preaches no spending, but uses our tax money to take first class flights all over the country spending a whopping 50 grand of our money for his luxury!! some honest guy you got there......... now keep in mind i watched the msnbc video of them killing the ap article... so i asked my coffee guy oh yeah? where did you hear that bs from? and he replies its all over the news!! urghhhhhhhhhh

 

[WD-NY]

This Grinch surge f'in sucks. Hopefully Romney's PAC goes nuclear in the next few days ... how people can get behind this chicken hawk after Ron knocked him out in Iowa (w/ serial hypocrisy) and NH ("I served" during the debate) is beyond me.

That said, I agree with others that Ron being virtually MIA in SC = WTF?? One of the big reasons to hit different local media markets is that all of the local news stations are going to cover your visit to their city/town/etc... right now, Ron = non-existant on the trail... which means non-existant in local media coverage.

At the very least, someone in the campaign should respond to our questions about why Ron isn't campaigning very hard in SC.

 

[ohgodno]

These endoresments were barely mentioned in the news. How will the voter know or hear of them?
Do they email/call their constituents!

The endorsements got no play nationally - Huntsman "conveniently" dropped out around the announcement of the Davis endorsement - and Palin "endorsed" Newt, also "conveniently" around the time of the other Tea Party Senators endorsements. These happenings have the fingerprints of the national GOP all over them IMO.

 

[Imaginos]

+5 Bump for that chicken-hawk piece of shit Gingrich?
What is wrong with these people?

 

[newRonPaulfan]

This Grinch surge f'in sucks. Hopefully Romney's PAC goes nuclear in the next few days ... how people can get behind this chicken hawk after Ron knocked him out in Iowa (w/ serial hypocrisy) and NH ("I served" during the debate) is beyond me.

That said, I agree with others that Ron being virtually MIA in SC = WTF?? One of the big reasons to hit different local media markets is that all of the local news stations are going to cover your visit to their city/town/etc... right now, Ron = non-existant on the trail... which means non-existant in local media coverage.

At the very least, someone in the campaign should respond to our questions about why Ron isn't campaigning very hard in SC.

Don't hold your breath - which is a shame, considering how many of us have contributed, that there isn't SOME accountability for their MAJOR fuckup!

 

[socal]

Because you don't understand the cross tabs.

He has 9% with the over 50 population, it says N/A because they believed there wasn't a significant amount under 50 polled to do a cross tab on them, but just do the math OKAY.

If Ron is at 13% overall....but at 9% with over 50 people....how can the only people be polled be over 50. If that were the case, he would only have 9%....There had to be at least a certain amount under 50 polled, but we have two variables, so we can't figure that out.

Ron's numbers: 13% overall= (% of people polled over 50)*(9%-People over 50 picking Paul) + (% of people polled under 50)*(% of People under 50 picking Paul).

There is no way that everyone could be over 50 because he is at 13% overall, not 9% overall.

OK, I get it now.

 

[ohgodno]

IMO the campaign was banking on Romney winning SC with a 2nd or 3rd by Dr. Paul and most of the rest dropping out - to leave the race between Dr. Paul and Romney. This explains the lack of effort they're showing in SC.

This was a calculated risk based on what the polls were saying, but as we're seeing now—a misguided one. Newt is gaining more fake momentum and with the Palin "endorsement" all the faux Tea Party people will throw their weight behind Newt. This, coupled with all the negative press the campaign does a terrible job in addressing, means we've squandered all the positive mojo we had after NH.

The risk with not being competitive in SC (which is perceived to be conservative) is that Dr. Paul could be swallowed up by even less than the meager news coverage he gets anyway—evidence of this is the non-mention of the endorsements he's gotten from prominent members of the Tea Party in SC.

 

[Kords21]

It's already a tough mountain to climb and I was hoping that Dr. Paul was going to come out in Monday's debate on fire after being "off" for 4 days, but he didn't. It could be that the crowd even before it started had made quite a vibe in the hall and it threw him off, who knows. Toss in the mini-blackout of Ron Paul's endorsements, poor debate and the apparent half-hearted campaign in SC, it's head scratching to say the least. I'm not giving up hope or anything, but I just don't understand the campaign strategy in this state at all. Florida is a lost cause, so it's going to be a while before we can really do well in another state and hopefully pick up momentum again. We had gingrich and the others pretty much down for the count, now they'll get even more media coverage/boost and we'll have to fight doubly hard. As I said, very confusing to say the least.

 

[ohgodno]

It's already a tough mountain to climb and I was hoping that Dr. Paul was going to come out in Monday's debate on fire after being "off" for 4 days, but he didn't. It could be that the crowd even before it started had made quite a vibe in the hall and it threw him off, who knows. Toss in the mini-blackout of Ron Paul's endorsements, poor debate and the apparent half-hearted campaign in SC, it's head scratching to say the least. I'm not giving up hope or anything, but I just don't understand the campaign strategy in this state at all. Florida is a lost cause, so it's going to be a while before we can really do well in another state and hopefully pick up momentum again. We had gingrich and the others pretty much down for the count, now they'll get even more media coverage/boost and we'll have to fight doubly hard. As I said, very confusing to say the least.

I agree 100%.

 

[cajuncocoa]

GOP and the media who carries their water have been pushing Newt very hard since NH.

I guess it's working.

 

[devil21]

For posting facts. I can actually analyze. You can't handle facts apparently.

People say they didn't poll people under 50, when that isn't possible. He is at 9% with the over 50 group, yet 13% overall. People can't read a poll, including yourself.

Also your unprovoked attack has been reported to the moderators.

You're a negative drag on this forum and prove it day after day, regardless of what you post. Report that crybaby.

Your facts only support that the poll is accurate, even when they didnt even bother to report how many they polled under 50 years old. Your logic for whether is poll itself, given the parameters they used, is accurate is fine. I don't question that. Whether the poll is actually an accurate representation of SC voter sentiment is the issue and you're not looking at that at all. You seem to be carrying the water for the media and it's plain to see.

 

[Mister Grieves]

F***!! What the hell are those people drinking over there???

Judging by the crowd at the last debate, I'd say their own urine.

 

[Justinfrom1776]

I just realized something: We're not doing well among idiots.. How can we cut into Romney, Newt, Perry and Santorum's strangle hold on the moron vote? So many of Dr. Paul's positions require the voter to think and be educated about the Constitution and American History.. How can we possibly delve into that demographic?