New C4L Site is Awful

[Conza88]

Hey! All those bitchin' that they paid for a service and didn't get it... why not SUE C4L to get your $35 back!?!?

Seriously, go do it... otherwise, you can shut the fuck up.

Why not go create your own Liberty Organization and go into competition with C4L... See who can do it better...

Again, quit your fucken bitching... go do it yourself, let those in charge know what you, as a customer want, and be patient as they work together with you to make it better....

Otherwise... go cry me a river with all your sad negative bullshit whining...

Have a great and fabulous day. </rant @ lametards>

 

[ARealConservative]

Before BJ Lawson was a candidate for congress, he was our local Ron Paul Meetup group organizer, and I know for a fact that he himself put more than a couple thousand dollars into the effort.

I don't understand what is wrong with requiring people to pay dues to be a part of an organization. Dues are what keep the gears turning and the doors open and a basic group of staff working to bring things together. Donations above and beyond that are what make the bigger things happen. If you don't think that the C4L is worth $35 a year, no one is forcing you to pay. As a matter of fact, if you can find a more efficient use of those same $35 to fight for liberty, then don't hesitate to spend it in that manner. That is one of the beautiful things about free markets; you always have a choice to spend your time and resources in the way you think is most beneficial to both yourself and your family, and when you choose to do so, for charity and philanthropic organizations.

I feel that the dues for the C4L are a good thing because they provide a certain amount of cash to keep the basics running, and because it serves as a good screening process the prevents people who do not have the time and resources available to sacrifice to make the organization successful, while still allowing people to help in other ways. But like I said, if you can find a more beneficial use of the same time and resources, do so, and for goodness sake, if you find some other method or idea that is very successful, please don't keep it to yourself.

For instance, I worked the polls for early voting for BJ's campaign the other day, and we were being killed by the partisanship inherent in perhaps one of the most liberal parts of the most liberal district in North Carolina at the point where our only resources were some slim jims, nicknamed "Price killers," but no way of breaking the ice with the common passerby that was probably going to vote straight ticket. Halfway through the day, one of the staff members dropped off pocket constitutions, with which we combined the resources we already had, and, as if by magic, people went from ignoring us 15 out of 16 people, to taking a moment to take one of our "liberty packs," and we started converting people left and right.

Right now the C4L may well be like the slim jims that myself and my coworkers at the polls started off with, but if you find some way to augment the R3volution by trying something else, do it! Be the pocket constitutions to our good but incomplete liberty packs.

those complaining are full of shit. They are either sock puppet accounts of neocons, or they are mentally anguished people that only find happiness by trying to find things to be upset about.

They are easy to identify because all they ever do is bitch and moan. We have all had things we were not happy about, but when that is 100% your mo, it becomes obvious.

 

[MRoCkEd]

My complaint about C4L was that the design wasn't as impressive as I'd hoped... but I'm used to it now, and they are also getting a graphic designer and flash expert to make it better.

I think the precinct leader fee is acceptable - people who aren't willing to pay under $0.10 a day to have access to all of those tools might not be very dedicated precinct leaders anyway. If you want to be a precinct leader and truly can't afford it, try asking around here; I remember there were several posts from people who were willing to cover the cost for others.

C4L has a very ambitious agenda, and I am very excited about it:

They are:

* currently looking to expand the staff from 10 to 13. We are especially keen to hire a graphic design and flash programmer. If that's you, please submit cover letter, resume, professional and personal references, and work samples to [email protected].
* researching and scouting office space to accommodate a larger staff and a more ambitious agenda.
* also scouting locations on Capital Hill for Campaign for Liberty Media Studios where we will be able to produce news features, interviews, educational materials and, eventually, our own news broadcast.
* planning regional summits (sort of mini Rally for the Republics) that will likely begin late spring.
* developing a speaker's bureau that will organize lectures and conferences at universities around the country to give America's future leaders the chance to learn about sound money, natural rights, Austrian economics and a variety of other disciplines.
* preparing the Rally for the Republic DVDs for release on November 18th.
* developing homeschool curriculum for homeschool families.
* continuing to make improvements and upgrades to campaignforliberty.com.
* getting involved in events in 2009 including CPAC and the Conservative Leadership Conference.
* preparing a number of policy initiatives.
* developing a monthly donation program and a full-time fund-raising apparatus to ensure the long-term health and effectiveness of the organization.
* and more

 

[Verad]

those complaining are full of shit. They are either sock puppet accounts of neocons, or they are mentally anguished people that only find happiness by trying to find things to be upset about.

They are easy to identify because all they ever do is bitch and moan. We have all had things we were not happy about, but when that is 100% your mo, it becomes obvious.

Whether they are concerned for the future of liberty or are trolls, the purpose of my post was to rebut the idea that the C4L is not worth the money and then redirect the argument to a positive idea that does put the proverbial ball in their court. As long as those of us who desire liberty continue to bicker, rather than do anything productive, the enemies of liberty are gaining ground against us. I would rather encourage people to work in the way they best see fit for liberty, even if it doesn't jive with my particular idea of what works, so that we can see less energy directed into negative attacks, and more directed into winning over hearts and minds. Let's not fall prey to the same sectionalism that has condemned the Libertarian party to irrelevance almost immediately since its conception.

 

[ARealConservative]

Whether they are concerned for the future of liberty or are trolls, the purpose of my post was to rebut the idea that the C4L is not worth the money and then redirect the argument to a positive idea that does put the proverbial ball in their court. As long as those of us who desire liberty continue to bicker, rather than do anything productive, the enemies of liberty are gaining ground against us. I would rather encourage people to work in the way they best see fit for liberty, even if it doesn't jive with my particular idea of what works, so that we can see less energy directed into negative attacks, and more directed into winning over hearts and minds. Let's not fall prey to the same sectionalism that has condemned the Libertarian party to irrelevance almost immediately since its conception.

I like your spirit Verad.

I'm not sure that ignoring the trolls that actively try to undermine our efforts is the right road map, but I'm certainly not going to bicker with someone that wishes to be the solution and not the problem.

 

[constituent]

I like your spirit Verad.

I'm not sure that ignoring the trolls that actively try to undermine our efforts is the right road map, but I'm certainly not going to bicker with someone that wishes to be the solution and not the problem.

lol.

 

[rose141]

Like I said, $35 is a lot to me. I don't want to throw it at this so-far ineffective C4L. I don't understand why they can't run strictly on donations. I'd love to be a precinct leader, but I don't have the money. The guy who is in charge of my area is someone I've never heard of! For all I know, he's a "troll". He was never involved in the meet-up or any Ron Paul activities that *I* know of.

I mean, really. You think if the GOP or anybody wanted to infiltrate the $35 fee would stop them? If the C4L is a force to reckon with, you'd better bet the Fed would print money to send it!

It's a silly tactic to "weed out" people we don't want. Using money during admitted hard times as a sort of poll test of loving liberty is well...

Not effective.

 

[ARealConservative]

Like I said, $35 is a lot to me. I don't want to throw it at this so-far ineffective C4L. I don't understand why they can't run strictly on donations. I'd love to be a precinct leader, but I don't have the money. The guy who is in charge of my area is someone I've never heard of! For all I know, he's a "troll". He was never involved in the meet-up or any Ron Paul activities that *I* know of.

I mean, really. You think if the GOP or anybody wanted to infiltrate the $35 fee would stop them? If the C4L is a force to reckon with, you'd better bet the Fed would print money to send it!

It's a silly tactic to "weed out" people we don't want. Using money during admitted hard times as a sort of poll test of loving liberty is well...

Not effective.

so sign up as a non paid member.....or don't.

wgas

 

[Mahkato]

I'd love to be a precinct leader, but I don't have the money.

Have you considered asking people in your area for a sponsored membership?

 

[ARealConservative]

Have you considered asking people in your area for a sponsored membership?

If someone can’t afford $35 a year, I don’t see how they can effectively handle the responsibilities.

IMHO An effective precinct leader will spend more then $35 on info to hand out, gas mileage/long distance charges to attend meetings or participate on conference calls, create signs and banners, etc, etc.

 

[Gin]

Like I said, $35 is a lot to me. I don't want to throw it at this so-far ineffective C4L. I don't understand why they can't run strictly on donations. I'd love to be a precinct leader, but I don't have the money. The guy who is in charge of my area is someone I've never heard of! For all I know, he's a "troll". He was never involved in the meet-up or any Ron Paul activities that *I* know of.

I mean, really. You think if the GOP or anybody wanted to infiltrate the $35 fee would stop them? If the C4L is a force to reckon with, you'd better bet the Fed would print money to send it!

It's a silly tactic to "weed out" people we don't want. Using money during admitted hard times as a sort of poll test of loving liberty is well...

Not effective.

As a single mom that just got laid off, I can totally understand being picky about what you spend your money on...

I personally feel it is a good investment... All the learning materials they have already and plan to have on the site are worth much more than $35 a yr. Knowledge is power and in order to get that knowledge you have to be willing to make sacrifices... in this instance a $35 a yr membership fee.

As far as having a choice who your Precinct Leader is... there is not a vote... if you chose to be one... the sign up... if you don't, then don't complain.

You have to remember that this site is what...a whopping 26 days old.... how much do you think 10 ppl can do in less than a month... Geez give 'em a break..

CFL is growing in leaps and bounds.. If you can't see past what already has happened and look toward what could happen, then that's your fault.

If you chose not to pay the fee, so be it.... I personally see it as a wonderful asset for those of us who didn't care about politics and now see that we need a quick lesson in the right ways of Government so that in the next election cycle we can actually make a big impact on regaining our Freedoms...

 

[steph3n]

Just FYI meetup WAS NOT free. you joined free because someone paid for it for you(most likely the founder of the group)

 

[ARealConservative]

Just FYI meetup WAS NOT free. you joined free because someone paid for it for you(most likely the founder of the group)

exactly. The meetup leader was paying a minimum of $144 a year, and that money was going to meetup, not to a liberty oriented group to put to good use.

 

[MRoCkEd]

exactly. The meetup leader was paying a minimum of $144 a year, and that money was going to meetup, not to a liberty oriented group to put to good use.

bingo

 

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$35, are you kidding? I spend more than that every time I go out drinking. If you can't afford that on an annual basis for a worthy cause like this then you should be spending your time looking for a better job.