New C4L Site is Awful

[ARealConservative]

look at the wallflowers bitch and moan.

That is the best thing about the $35 fee, it weeds the trolls out.

 

[constituent]

Many of C4L's problems are the result of legal restrictions. You have McCain-Feingold and similar bills to thank for that.

lol, as we play the blame game.

does the buck never stop?

 

[ARealConservative]

that's a rather unsafe assumption.

or to rephrase.... 35(+) million dollars! Whaleaaaaaaahhhhlllll-be, i betcha we could win a presidential primary with that kinda money!


oh wait, n/m.

the only assumption I see is you assuming I meant it would win presidential primaries.

 

[constituent]

look at the wallflowers bitch and moan.

That is the best thing about the $35 fee, it weeds the trolls out.

yea, i've actually attended our CFL meeting here, you?

[wallflower, lol]

35 bucks weeds out the trolls.... lol, straight out the greenspan's mouth.

what ridiculous paranoia (as you troll the thread... go figure.)

 

[constituent]

the only assumption I see is you assuming I meant it would win presidential primaries.

reading comprehension bro, work on it.

i was drawing you an analogy and showing you why your statement was utter fail.

 

[ARealConservative]

yea, i've actually attended our CFL meeting here, you?

35 bucks weeds out the trolls.... lol.

no, I didn't attend your cfl meeting there.

what ridiculous paranoia.

the trolls aren't out to get me.

 

[ARealConservative]

reading comprehension bro, work on it.

i was drawing you an analogy and showing you why your statement was utter fail.

an analogy based on a poor assumption.

fail back at you troll boy

 

[LibertyEagle]

yep...that money went to pay for that ralley..and to pay salaries of the organizers. I don't see how that helps us get local candidates elected ...but it must have been a lot of fun.

The C4L can't do everything for you, Tones. If you see a good local candidate, donate to them and volunteer to help them.

 

[constituent]

no, I didn't attend your cfl meeting there.



the trolls aren't out to get me.

an analogy based on a poor assumption.

fail back at you troll boy

lol, i'm not the one trolling for a flamewar this a.m.

i've said my peace. rather than refute my points or answer the questions posed in this thread, you're here to shoot the messenger.

(and the analogy wasn't based on an assumption, it was based on past experience you dolt)

fine, whatever. i don't have the time for it.

peace, jr.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

So.."dissenters"..or folks who are independent thinkers and not falling for collectivism are trolls and wallflowers? Those who raise valid questions are trolls? Why? i love Liberty as much as anyone on here...i just don't think I should have to pay 35 bucks to be validated. tones

 

[LibertyEagle]

So.."dissenters"..or folks who are independent thinkers and not falling for collectivism are trolls and wallflowers? Those who raise valid questions are trolls? Why? i love Liberty as much as anyone on here...i just don't think I should have to pay 35 bucks to be validated. tones

Who is forcing you to?

 

[ARealConservative]

So.."dissenters"..or folks who are independent thinkers and not falling for collectivism are trolls and wallflowers? Those who raise valid questions are trolls? Why? i love Liberty as much as anyone on here...i just don't think I should have to pay 35 bucks to be validated. tones

those that ignore the explanations as if they weren't provided are trolls.

the c4l website can function just like yahoo groups. you don't have to pay to be kept informed via email.

In addition, it replaces the function of meetup - which cost the organizer 140+ dollars a year and the drastically reduced fee goes to an organization dedicated to liberty. Too bad you aren't.

 

[constituent]

fee goes to an organization dedicated to liberty...

you mean the organization that told me to vote against tax breaks for the domain?

 

[Elle]

The $35 that is paid to become a precinct leader isn't so you can ask or answer a questions. That $35 helps cover the cost of obtaining rosters of voters within a precinct.

 

[constituent]

The $35 that is paid to become a precinct leader isn't so you can ask or answer a questions. That $35 helps cover the cost of obtaining rosters of voters within a precinct.

hmmm... my understanding per CFL'rs on the board in other threads was that an added benefit of the 35 bucks is that you are guaranteed a response to questions w/in 24 hrs.

apparently, they've failed to meet that obligation, and have a backlog of dues payers' questions that have gone unanswered.... naturally they get first priority (eventually)...

so effectively, yes, you must pay to have your questions answered, and even then....


probably not.

 

[ARealConservative]

you mean the organization that told me to vote against tax breaks for the domain?

didn't you say you were done trolling?

 

[Conza88]

So.."dissenters"..or folks who are independent thinkers and not falling for collectivism are trolls and wallflowers? Those who raise valid questions are trolls? Why? i love Liberty as much as anyone on here...i just don't think I should have to pay 35 bucks to be validated. tones

 

[Elle]

That is an added benefit, yes. Is it the reason for charging $35? No.

 

[Verad]

Before BJ Lawson was a candidate for congress, he was our local Ron Paul Meetup group organizer, and I know for a fact that he himself put more than a couple thousand dollars into the effort.

I don't understand what is wrong with requiring people to pay dues to be a part of an organization. Dues are what keep the gears turning and the doors open and a basic group of staff working to bring things together. Donations above and beyond that are what make the bigger things happen. If you don't think that the C4L is worth $35 a year, no one is forcing you to pay. As a matter of fact, if you can find a more efficient use of those same $35 to fight for liberty, then don't hesitate to spend it in that manner. That is one of the beautiful things about free markets; you always have a choice to spend your time and resources in the way you think is most beneficial to both yourself and your family, and when you choose to do so, for charity and philanthropic organizations.

I feel that the dues for the C4L are a good thing because they provide a certain amount of cash to keep the basics running, and because it serves as a good screening process the prevents people who do not have the time and resources available to sacrifice to make the organization successful, while still allowing people to help in other ways. But like I said, if you can find a more beneficial use of the same time and resources, do so, and for goodness sake, if you find some other method or idea that is very successful, please don't keep it to yourself.

For instance, I worked the polls for early voting for BJ's campaign the other day, and we were being killed by the partisanship inherent in perhaps one of the most liberal parts of the most liberal district in North Carolina at the point where our only resources were some slim jims, nicknamed "Price killers," but no way of breaking the ice with the common passerby that was probably going to vote straight ticket. Halfway through the day, one of the staff members dropped off pocket constitutions, with which we combined the resources we already had, and, as if by magic, people went from ignoring us 15 out of 16 people, to taking a moment to take one of our "liberty packs," and we started converting people left and right.

Right now the C4L may well be like the slim jims that myself and my coworkers at the polls started off with, but if you find some way to augment the R3volution by trying something else, do it! Be the pocket constitutions to our good but incomplete liberty packs.

 

[speciallyblend]

those that ignore the explanations as if they weren't provided are trolls.

the c4l website can function just like yahoo groups. you don't have to pay to be kept informed via email.

In addition, it replaces the function of meetup - which cost the organizer 140+ dollars a year and the drastically reduced fee goes to an organization dedicated to liberty. Too bad you aren't.

cheaper to pay dues with the CFL then meetup.com killing my meetup asap then i wil join the CFL. economics= cheaper to cmmunicate with the CFL, then meetup.com ,simple math!!!!