New C4L Site is Awful

[rose141]

First of all, especially in this "economic crisis," asking that you pay $35 to be a precinct leader or even to ask a fracking question or give a fracking answer...

I joined a Ron Paul meetup in my area, and I have helped a few members on their campaigns, because I was too young to run at the time. Guess what. It was free. Now, I look at my state and my precinct leader is someone I've *never* heard of. He never helped in the precinct before, and I had no say in who it was going to be, because I'm not able to shell out a mere $35 to vote. This is just going to be an organization full of class-war, and I'm 2 inches from dropping out of the C4L for good. What waste of time it has been.

And they didn't even cycle over all the members from the last site. We made it to over 100,000, but not everybody signed back up. We waited many months for the site to be put together, and in that time people have lost interest. Including me. They have announced "major" things, that always turn out to be very disappointing, and not major at all. People have cried wolf, and now other People have lost hope in it.

I'm going to go about this movement in my own way. I'll go to school for the movement and dedicate my career to the movement, but I don't have time or $$$ to waste on the C4L.

I've held on for as long as I can. I can't take this waiting game, and I sure can't take giving up a tank of gas to simply ask a question....

 

[dr. hfn]

whoa, slow down their missy. The fee is optional first of all. Do you expect the C4L to run on nothing? The C4L needs money to do stuff, anything. Look at what it has done already...stopped the Bailout in the House and is starting a nationwide education and hard hitting ad effort against those who voted for the bailout. they are making radio and print ads and flyers. This site is the best site for political organizing I've ever seen and it's only gonna get better! They are improving it everyday. And don't worry about all the people who signed up before, they are going to send an email to all of those people, I asked the web staff about it.

The C4L if it has good funding and is succesful in creating the state wide precinct leader programs will be a huge force to be reckoned with in 2012! This is about building up the infastructure and strength of the grassroots Liberty/Freedom Movement.

 

[Verad]

I think that it does make sense to charge a fee. It means that involvement is something people have to put an investment into up front, and should serve to reduce the number of members that will join because they are mildly interested only to slack off and not take it seriously enough. The initial investment also means that people have a certain amount invested in this particular organization from the start, which means they will be more likely to keep investing their time, money, and energy into it despite the fact that the $35 is a sunk cost. Basically, it is a sneaky way to have people to self select for those who place a certain value on membership, while at the same time raising money to enable the C4L to do the things it has set off to do.

 

[constituent]

Look at what it has done already...stopped the Bailout in the House

lol, c'mon now.

 

[constituent]

Basically, it is a sneaky way to have people to self select for those who place a certain value on membership, while at the same time raising money to enable the C4L to do the things it has set off to do.

pass.


too easy.

 

[constituent]

no one wants to address the thirty-five bucks to ask a question issue raised by the OP?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

No they are going to ignore it and bury the thread. People are concerned as to where the money is going and what is really helping GRASSROOTS. How is this assisting LOCAL effoRts to get LIBerTY candidates elected on the local level. Now, i AM interested in the homeschool program..but where is it? I'm already on notice...sigh. I am not going to blindly follow ANYONE at my age. I want a mission statement and objectives. Is that too much to ask? I want it laid out step by step. The mission seems too broad..at least it seems to be in the "about us' section. It needs to be narrowed down and spelled out so we can get started. Tones

 

[ARealConservative]

First of all, especially in this "economic crisis," asking that you pay $35 to be a precinct leader or even to ask a fracking question or give a fracking answer...

I joined a Ron Paul meetup in my area, and I have helped a few members on their campaigns, because I was too young to run at the time. Guess what. It was free. Now, I look at my state and my precinct leader is someone I've *never* heard of. He never helped in the precinct before, and I had no say in who it was going to be, because I'm not able to shell out a mere $35 to vote. This is just going to be an organization full of class-war, and I'm 2 inches from dropping out of the C4L for good. What waste of time it has been.

And they didn't even cycle over all the members from the last site. We made it to over 100,000, but not everybody signed back up. We waited many months for the site to be put together, and in that time people have lost interest. Including me. They have announced "major" things, that always turn out to be very disappointing, and not major at all. People have cried wolf, and now other People have lost hope in it.

I'm going to go about this movement in my own way. I'll go to school for the movement and dedicate my career to the movement, but I don't have time or $$$ to waste on the C4L.

I've held on for as long as I can. I can't take this waiting game, and I sure can't take giving up a tank of gas to simply ask a question....

you joined a meetup group where the organizer was paying a heck of a lot more then $35 a year.

Basically what you are saying is you are a cheap ass and are not willing to donate $35 a year to this cause.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Why should people have to pay a fee to work their arse off for Liberty? What kind of sense does that make. Hell, I'd consider it a huge accomplishment that 110,000 people cared enough to volunteer to be footsoldiers for liberty. Tones

 

[ARealConservative]

Why should people have to pay a fee to work their arse off for Liberty? What kind of sense does that make. Hell, I'd consider it a huge accomplishment that 110,000 people cared enough to volunteer to be footsoldiers for liberty. Tones

First, you don't have to pay the fee. Sign up with your email and you can participate in events coordinated by those that pay the fee. This is actually no different then how meetup works. Do you people realize how much money meetup leaders were paying?

Secondly, do you not see how powerful an organization 110,000 strong that pays an annual $35 fee would become?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

. Yes..I realize that yahoo groups functions just like the meetup ...for free. tones

 

[constituent]

Secondly, do you not see how powerful an organization 110,000 strong that pays an annual $35 fee would become?

that's a rather unsafe assumption.

or to rephrase.... 35(+) million dollars! Whaleaaaaaaahhhhlllll-be, i betcha we could win a presidential primary with that kinda money!


oh wait, n/m.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes, if the money was being filtered down to the precincts to help fund liberty candidates on the local level it would be very powerful. Tones

 

[constituent]

Yes, if the money was being filtered down to the precincts to help fund liberty candidates on the local level it would be very powerful. Tones

then what would be the point of the filter?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

lOl constituent, i'm trying to be positive here. tones

 

[Razmear]

Didn't C4L start out with about 3million that was left over from Ron's campaign? Or was that the Ron Paul Liberty PAC? Either way, where did that money go and how come I haven't heard of any of it going towards our chosen candidates Lawson and Conley?

eb

 

[constituent]

lOl constituent, i'm trying to be positive here. tones

yea, i feel ya. unfortunately, this crew has taught us over the past year or so that being positive only encourages their continued (expensive) screw-ups.

only when they're beaten and berated over them does anything worthwhile ever get done.

like i told LE, i'm just sharpening their spears, though they don't have the sense between 'em to figure that out.

if their intentions were true it would be clear to them by now...

 

[LibertyEagle]

Didn't C4L start out with about 3million that was left over from Ron's campaign? Or was that the Ron Paul Liberty PAC? Either way, where did that money go and how come I haven't heard of any of it going towards our chosen candidates Lawson and Conley?

eb

A lot was spent on the Rally.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yep

yep...that money went to pay for that ralley..and to pay salaries of the organizers. I don't see how that helps us get local candidates elected ...but it must have been a lot of fun.

 

[Mahkato]

Many of C4L's problems are the result of legal restrictions. You have McCain-Feingold and similar bills to thank for that.