New Book Convinces Daniel Ellsberg CIA behind Dallas JFK.

[unconsious767]

You mean people like gerald posner aren't telling me the truth?

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[Conservative Christian]

I'll take the deathbed testimony of E Howard Hunt (confessing he was the supervising CIA operative in Dallas on 11/22/63 coordinating the hit on JFK) over that of a darling of the necon/Frontpage pseudoright. The case for JFK trying to end the Vietnam War in 1963 is highly documented as others have posted, and also backed up by by researchers on both the left and right (Jim Marrs, et al). The prior Ruby-Oswald relationship speaks more to both of them being CIA assets, especially in light of government documents showing mobsters Ruby was connected with like Roselli, Trafficante et al were all CIA operatives as well.

Oh, the old leftist "death bed confession" ruse. Let me guess, Hunt's "confession" isn't recorded, and he's very conveniently DEAD, so we can only take the word of the "CIA dunnit" crowd as to the authenticity of the "confession".

And Jim Marrs is a LOONEY TUNE. I have about as much regard for Marrs as I do the National Enquirer, and that's very bloody little.

You need to come up with some RELIABLE sources.


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[Conservative Christian]

Bologna, this thread alone has more than disproven what you're saying. I've read and seen plenty to know that Kennedy was a rogue President.

This thread and yourself haven't proven crap. Refute this book point by point, and I MIGHT believe your BS, but don't expect me to hold my breath waiting for you to do so:

PROGRAMMED TO KILL
Lee Harvey Oswald, the Soviet KGB, and the Kennedy Assassination

Ion Mihai Pacepa

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Programmed-to-Kill/Ion-Mihai-Pacepa/e/9781566637619/?itm=2

"The assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald, the American Marine who had defected to the Soviet Union and four years later committed the crime of the century, was an extremely rare cold war episode in which both sides were vitally interested in hiding the truth.

Soviet premier Khrushchev feared that Oswald’s involvement in the assassination would ignite nuclear war. The new president Lyndon Johnson faced elections in less than a year, and any conclusion implicating Moscow would have forced him to take unwanted political or even military action.

Thus, forty years later America lives with the uncertain truth about this political drama. In Programmed to Kill, former Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence official ever to defect from the Soviet bloc, reveals facts covered up by the Kremlin and addresses the myriad questions left unanswered by the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and the numerous books written on this subject.

Pacepa is the only investigator of the assassination who had direct knowledge of the KGB’s ties to Oswald. He spent fifteen years of his previous life at the top of a frenzied Communist intelligence effort designed to cast the blame for Kennedy’s death on forces within the United States.

Programmed to Kill places Pacepa’s knowledge of the KGB’s secret involvement with Oswald in the context of factual reporting that has appeared on the case. The book juxtaposes the KGB modus operandi—mostly unknown to outsiders—against the irrefutable evidence assembled by the FBI and other U.S. investigators.

According to Wayne A. Barnes, retired Special Agent in the FBI who worked foreign counterintelligence for over 25 years as a cold warrior, and was a principal debriefing agent for General Pacepa for nearly two years after his defection in 1978:

"General Ion Mihai Pacepa has given us a new and very different point of view of the JFK assassination, clarifying what has been the conspiracy theorists’ haven in the 20th century. In the FBI we taught that ‘the truth is in the details,’ and the General exquisitely reveals the truth—with verifiable, consistent, meshing-together, and incontrovertible facts about the involvement of the Soviet leadership and the KGB in this tragedy from start to finish, and even afterward in covering up their malfeasance."

"The General’s credibility—from the time of his initial debriefings and to the present—continues to ring true. He speaks the ‘language of intelligence’ and admirably translates it for those who lived through that time but were unaware of how to interpret what the plethora of facts really meant. A younger generation can now also profit from the General’s insight to see this historic event clearly."

Programmed to Kill is mind-boggling in its detail. The book illuminates the inherent evil of the KGB, whose former officers are now running Russia and apparently continuing to dispose of dissidents at home and around the world.

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ION MIHAI PACEPA was national security adviser to Romania’s president and acting chief of his foreign intelligence service. In 1978, he was granted political asylum by President Carter. Mr. Pacepa has also written Red Horizons, which has been published in twenty-seven countries. He is an American citizen and lives with his wife in the United States."


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[Peace&Freedom]

Oh, the old leftist "death bed confession" ruse. Let me guess, Hunt's "confession" isn't recorded, and he's very conveniently DEAD, so we can only take the word of the "CIA dunnit" crowd as to the authenticity of the "confession".

And Jim Marrs is a LOONEY TUNE. I have about as much regard for Marrs as I do the National Enquirer, and that's very bloody little.

You need to come up with some RELIABLE sources.

Are you a plant, or just a blind believer in the two-party paradigm---in the latter case, how are you a Paul supporter? Marrs is reliable, and Hunt's admission is on videotape. William Harvey was in charge of a CIA program to send false defectors to the Soviet Union, and Oswald appears to have been one of them. The most recent biography of Robert Kennedy revealed that the then Attorney General believed his brother was killed by a government conspiracy from the day of his death. He kept it from the public, believing he needed to be elected President first in order to effectively investigate it.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I still chuckle at a Hillary Clinton Rally taking questions... 2 guys ask Hillary "if she is elected President, will you disclose the files on the JFK assassination?"

Hilary's reply, "Sure I would, as long as they're not still Classified"

I chuckled at that response~!

 

[fatjohn]

I've read somewhere that 2039 is the year when they cannot be longer classified.
Btw: Nobody mentions Kennedy's End the Fed position, you know the silver certificates? Or is that debunked?

 

[Conservative Christian]

Are you a plant, or just a blind believer in the two-party paradigm---in the latter case, how are you a Paul supporter? Marrs is reliable, and Hunt's admission is on videotape. William Harvey was in charge of a CIA program to send false defectors to the Soviet Union, and Oswald appears to have been one of them. The most recent biography of Robert Kennedy revealed that the then Attorney General believed his brother was killed by a government conspiracy from the day of his death. He kept it from the public, believing he needed to be elected President first in order to effectively investigate it.

Still more solid proof you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and are the type who easily jumps to incorrect conclusions.

I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and Michael Peroutka in 2004, and I'm a bigger Ron Paul supporter than you'll ever be.

I could care less about Robert Kennedy's tripe. He's the one who ordered J. Edgar Hoover to spy on Martin Luther King, on orders given to him by brother Jack. Not to mention Bobby's phony "war" on the Mafia, which was laughable considering much of Daddy Joe Kennedy's fortune was made from organized crime activities.

The CIA had NO problem with Jack Kennedy. Kennedy voted AGAINST the 1957 Civil Rights Act; was a personal friend of Senator Joe McCarthy; sent a large number of military and CIA advisors to Viet Nam and Cambodia; demanded the Soviets remove nuclear missiles from Cuba; gave his approval to the Bay of Pigs Invasion etc.

The "3 K's"---the Kremlin, KGB and Khrushchev---had had quite enough of Jack Kennedy after all of the above and more, so they made the decision to terminate him, with help from Castro and the Cuban DGI.

Of course, they put their worldwide propaganda apparatus to work at trying to frame the CIA. They knew that "useful idiots" around the globe would jump on the propaganda bandwagon to blame the CIA.


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[emazur]

I've read somewhere that 2039 is the year when they cannot be longer classified.
Btw: Nobody mentions Kennedy's End the Fed position, you know the silver certificates? Or is that debunked?

Here's what G. Edward Griffin said about it in his book "the Creature From Jekyll Island":

"In 1981, a rumor was circulated that President Kennedy had been assassinated by agents of the hidden money power because he had singed execute order #11110 instructing the Treasury to print more than $4 billion in United States Notes... The Executive Order did not instruct the Treasury to issue Silver Certificates. It merely authorized it to do so if the occasion should arise. The occasion never arose. The last issuance of Silver Certificates was in 1957, and that was six years before the Kennedy executive order. In 1987, the order was rescinded by executive order 12608 by President Reagan.

The government did print some U.S. Notes in 1963, but these were in response to an 1868 act of Congress which directed the Treasury to maintain the amount of U.S. Notes outstanding at a fixed level. That required worn or damaged specimens of older Notes to be replaced by new ones. Some of these new Notes did get into circulation but were quickly snapped up by private collectors. They never became a significant part of the money supply and were not intended to. This printing was not ordered by JFK and, in fact, there was no reason for him even to had had knowledge of it."

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Still more solid proof you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and are the type who easily jumps to incorrect conclusions.

I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and Michael Peroutka in 2004, and I'm a bigger Ron Paul supporter than you'll ever be.

I could care less about Robert Kennedy's tripe. He's the one who ordered J. Edgar Hoover to spy on Martin Luther King, on orders given to him by brother Jack. Not to mention Bobby's phony "war" on the Mafia, which was laughable considering much of Daddy Joe Kennedy's fortune was made from organized crime activities.

The CIA had NO problem with Jack Kennedy. Kennedy voted AGAINST the 1957 Civil Rights Act; was a personal friend of Senator Joe McCarthy; sent a large number of military and CIA advisors to Viet Nam and Cambodia; demanded the Soviets remove nuclear missiles from Cuba; gave his approval to the Bay of Pigs Invasion etc.

The "3 K's"---the Kremlin, KGB and Khrushchev---had had quite enough of Jack Kennedy after all of the above and more, so they made the decision to terminate him, with help from Castro and the Cuban DGI.

Of course, they put their worldwide propaganda apparatus to work at trying to frame the CIA. They knew that "useful idiots" around the globe would jump on the propaganda bandwagon to blame the CIA.

Yup, a plant, with a penchant for non-sequitors. For the record, I supported Paul in both 1988 and 2008, started one of the first five meetup groups for Paul, and a separate grassroots organization for Paul. The CIA were furious at JFK over his firing of Dulles, his reversals on the Bay of Pigs and on keeping 'advisors' in Vietnam, etc. Hunt's confession stands as solid proof (as you have not apologized once I pointed out it's on tape). Other parties may have had motive, but no other entity had the abundant means, opportunity, and access as the CIA to accomplish the hit.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Yup, a plant, with a penchant for non-sequitors. For the record, I supported Paul in both 1988 and 2008, started one of the first five meetup groups for Paul, and a separate grassroots organization for Paul. The CIA were furious at JFK over his firing of Dulles, his reversals on the Bay of Pigs and on keeping 'advisors' in Vietnam, etc. Hunt's confession stands as solid proof (as you have not apologized once I pointed out it's on tape). Other parties may have had motive, but no other entity had the abundant means, opportunity, and access as the CIA to accomplish the hit.

Whoopie doo! So you're a leftwing plant inside the Ron Paul movement. Leftwing plants come a dime a dozen in every political organization.

You say the confession is on tape--so let's HEAR it! Where's it posted on the internet?

The KGB can kill ANYBODY, ANYWHERE in the world if they decide they want to. They had PLENTY of motive, and if you read Pacepa's book, he lays it all out in black and white, so anybody but a leftwing simpleton can understand it.

Pacepa is the highest ranking intelligence officer to EVER defect from the Soviet Bloc nations. I'll take his insider knowledge and documented facts over your BS speculation any day of the year.

It doesn't take "abundant means, opportunity, and access" to shoot somebody from a building window. ANYBODY who's a decent shot with a rifle could've pulled it off. So your assertion that only the CIA could've "pulled it off" is utterly laughable.


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[Conservative Christian]

The KGB has been trying to frame Hunt for the Kennedy assassination for YEARS:

"Many conspiracists have believed that two of the three tramps marched through Dealey Plaza in the wake of the assassination to be Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, although several other men, Charles Harrelson for example, were also identified as tramps. The mystery was apparently solved in the early 1990s when researcher Mary LaFontaine discovered documents identifying the men as Harold Doyle, John Forester Gedney, and Gus W. Abrams. Both the F.B.I. and independent researchers confirmed the identifications.

The Mitrokhin Archive by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, on the evidence supplied by Mitrokhin's transcribed versions of Top Secret KGB files, alleges that the Soviet Union was principal in falsely connecting E. Howard Hunt to the Kennedy Assassination. It alleges, for example, that the KGB recruited and provided secret financial support for Mark Lane and other conspiracy theorist authors, including Carl Aldo Marzani and Joachim Joesten.

Hunt was also the addressee of a letter, purportedly from Oswald, dated two weeks before the assassination. Andrew and Mitrokhin state that the letter was a forgery, carefully created by the KGB to implicate Hunt and the CIA, based upon a belief that Hunt had been in Dallas on the day of the assassination."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt

 

[acptulsa]

Mary LaFontaine's book, Oswald Talked, I heartily recommend--if you can find it.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Whoopie doo! So you're a leftwing plant inside the Ron Paul movement. Leftwing plants come a dime a dozen in every political organization.

You say the confession is on tape--so let's HEAR it! Where's it posted on the internet?

First take back your claims about their being no evidence on Hunt, since the evidence was mentioned and you've danced on to different subjects, or do a simple Google search. Since you are neocon, it is you who is really the left wing plant. I'm a cultural conservative Libertarian who voted for Reagan in '84, BTW.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Peace&Freedom LIED!

First take back your claims about their being no evidence on Hunt, since the evidence was mentioned and you've danced on to different subjects, or do a simple Google search. Since you are neocon, it is you who is really the left wing plant. I'm a cultural conservative Libertarian who voted for Reagan in '84, BTW.

I'm not taking back SQUAT. I did some research on E. Howard Hunt.

Your claim that Hunt confessed to being the "supervising CIA operative" who coordinated "the hit" on JFK---is a BALD-FACED LIE.

In reality, Hunt implicated LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt

"In the tape, Hunt named Cord Meyer, Frank Sturgis, David Sánchez Morales, and David Atlee Phillips as participants in the assassination with Vice-President Lyndon Johnson apparently approving the assassination for political gain.

A clip of this tape can be heard here.

The following is a transcript of Hunt's testament on the audio tape clip:"

"I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated Cord Meyer, Jr. to undertake a larger organization while keeping it totally secret....I think that LBJ settled on Meyer as an opportunist like himself and a man who had very little left to him in life ever since JFK had taken Cord's wife as one of his mistresses....What is important in the story is that we've backtracked the chain of command up through Cord Meyer and laying [sic] the doings at the doorstep of LBJ. He, in my opinion, had an almost maniacal urge to become President. He regarded JFK, as he was in fact, an obstacle to achieving that. He could have waited for JFK to finish out his term and then undoubtedly a second term. So that would have put LBJ at the head of a long list of people who were waiting for some change in the executive branch."

---E. Howard Hunt

 

[Conservative Christian]

First take back your claims about their being no evidence on Hunt, since the evidence was mentioned and you've danced on to different subjects, or do a simple Google search. Since you are neocon, it is you who is really the left wing plant. I'm a cultural conservative Libertarian who voted for Reagan in '84, BTW.

Your leftwing propaganda claims about Hunt have been FALSIFIED, per my previous post.

I've been a member of The John Birch Society (JBS) since BEFORE Ronald Reagan became President, so your false accusation of me being a "neocon" is laughable at best.

Ron Paul spoke in person at the 50th anniversary celebration of the JBS a few months ago, thanking the organization for its efforts in behalf of liberty over the previous half century.


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[humanic]

Great post EPIC, thanks.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Great post EPIC, thanks.

Too bad it's false.


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[humanic]

Too bad it's false. .

I was just expressing my appreciation for him taking the time to give his educated opinion of the book. I didn't read through the thread yet to see your rebuttals, but I will when I get a chance. You both know more about this topic than I do.