Never go to the hospital with a dog bite and tell the truth... Almost got arrested today..

[Anti Federalist]

Never seen or heard of private hospitals? No, hospitals are not mandated, or else you'd have one if every little city, like your water dept. If hospitals were mandated to exist, you'd have more empty ones, not overcrowded ones. When you say "government mandated emergency" I think you mean they are mandated to never turn away emergency patients, this is different than saying they are the only people allowed to take emergency patients (anybody licenses to practice medicine can take an emergency patient if he feels competent).

No, you need to start digging deeper into the laws of your state.

I am not talking about being mandated to treat everybody, although that does have relevance.

In just about every state, there are laws on the books prohibiting the start up of walk in clinics that provide emergency medical services.

These laws were passed at the behest of the hospitals, their logic being that, "we have to, by law, service every person that comes in, you can't allow any competition, otherwise, we'll go broke, following your laws".

 

[Nickels]

Well, I'd never be in favor of a banning just because they hold contrary views.

That might happen though, when a mod realizes that Nickels is our old pal Josh_LA/Walt/Optatron/Liberdom/and God knows who else, trolling us.

How's that injury by the way? Hope you recoved well.

I'm not your old pal, but I hope he recovers soon.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Seems to be okay, never got any antibiotics, I have some good silver based topical antibiotic that seems to have been sufficient, I haven't received any calls from animal control. All is well, for now.

Good, glad to hear it.

If you noticed, I was concerned.

Animal bites can be pretty serious when they start showing symptoms like you described.

 

[Nickels]

No, you need to start digging deeper into the laws of your state.

I am not talking about being mandated to treat everybody, although that does have relevance.

In just about every state, there are laws on the books prohibiting the start up of walk in clinics that provide emergency medical services.

These laws were passed at the behest of the hospitals, their logic being that, "we have to, by law, service every person that comes in, you can't allow any competition, otherwise, we'll go broke, following your laws".

Either there isn't a law in my state, or my area is not affected by it. There certainly isn't any prohibition of competition, the only thing stopping clinics and urgent care facilities from popping up is demand, cost and regulations. At least where I live, most hospital ERs are overcrowded, so the clinics were opened to divert some of it. ERs don't make money, so the idea of stopping competition to prevent going broke is ridiculous. This is coming from somebody who has nurses in the family, they work in different hospitals over the past decade. ERs don't make money PRECISELY because they are not allowed to turn people away, they are allowed to triage for priority, but not turn people away by law. That is high risk, high burden, and that alone makes it hard for people to want to service emergencies, to prohibit it to protect profits goes straight against it. So no, I don't need to dig anything, I know places I can go to (like this guy said, sometimes there's a short line), they might not always be the best quality or affordable cost, but they exist, and they are private.

 

[Nickels]

Good, glad to hear it.

If you noticed, I was concerned.

Animal bites can be pretty serious when they start showing symptoms like you described.

They can, and I would've let them take my dog over losing my finger.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not your old pal.

 

[Nickels]

cute, haha. I'm flattered I remind you of somebody, but if you don't want me banned, whatever

 

[Anti Federalist]

It is in my area.

But, let's assume it is not.

What happened to customer service and "the customer is always right" then?

Who are these tin pot dictators bossing us around?

Either there isn't a law in my state, or my area is not affected by it. There certainly isn't any prohibition of competition, the only thing stopping clinics and urgent care facilities from popping up is demand, cost and regulations. At least where I live, most hospital ERs are overcrowded, so the clinics were opened to divert some of it. ERs don't make money, so the idea of stopping competition to prevent going broke is ridiculous. This is coming from somebody who has nurses in the family, they work in different hospitals over the past decade. ERs don't make money PRECISELY because they are not allowed to turn people away, they are allowed to triage for priority, but not turn people away by law. That is high risk, high burden, and that alone makes it hard for people to want to service emergencies, to prohibit it to protect profits goes straight against it. So no, I don't need to dig anything, I know places I can go to (like this guy said, sometimes there's a short line), they might not always be the best quality or affordable cost, but they exist, and they are private.

 

[Anti Federalist]

cute, haha. I'm flattered I remind you of somebody, but if you don't want me banned, whatever

Nope, I'd be a terrible mod, and an awful cop as well.

No reports or flagging on my part.

Carry on.

 

[Nickels]

It is in my area.

But, let's assume it is not.

What happened to customer service and "the customer is always right" then.

Who are these tin pot dictators bossing us around?

Ok, that's progress. Even when "customer is always right", there are some bottom line policies certain places have. "Customer is always right" doesn't allow you to walk away after eating and not pay just because you don't want to or can't. They are not dictating you around, they have no problem showing you the door if you don't want to play their rules. You are not entitled to their care and treatment. If you are so angry at the laws in your area, and so good at researching them, you might consider moving to a state or county that fits you better.

 

[jonhowe]

I'm not sure what's good in the short run about giving a dog a bath.

Have you ever had an indoor dog? When they roll in poop/mud/etc or get sprayed by a skunk, a bath is a must.

Or should we just not own dogs?

 

[MelissaWV]

Have you ever had an indoor dog? When they roll in poop/mud/etc or get sprayed by a skunk, a bath is a must.

Or should we just not own dogs?

Depending on the area and time of year, a bath may be in order to control outbreaks of various disease-carrying pests as well. If you live in an area where chemicals are often sprayed, such as the mosquito spraying in Florida and Texas, you will want to bathe your dog to rid them of those as well.

 

[moostraks]

Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes for Nickels to get banned?

I am surprised they have lasted this long....Like AF there is a reason I wouldn't be a mod.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If you are so angry at the laws in your area, and so good at researching them, you might consider moving to a state or county that fits you better.

LOL - Already done, and doing everything I can to make them conform more to my standards every day.

And of course, all this was not about showing you the door, if it all took was simply walking out, that would be one thing.

No, hospitals will call the cops on you and have you arrested if you do not follow their "policies".

Once having done that, they lose any "private property" considerations that they may have had, and they become nothing more than de facto agents of the state.


Man Says He Was Beaten, Detained at Hospital Just for Trying to Walk Out

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...beaten-hospital-guards-sues/story?id=11487637

After he allegedly escaped unnecessary chest surgery, a Maryland man says he was detained, beaten, and repeatedly called a "bitch" by security at Prince George's Hospital in Cheverly, Md., as he attempted to seek medical care elsewhere.

Now the patient, Joseph Wheeler, 46, and his wife Felicia Ann, 44, of Inigoes, Md., are suing the hospital, for more than $12 million for, among other charges, false imprisonment.

Though assault and battery and infliction of emotional distress (the other charges filed by Wheeler) are not usually a concern during a hospital stay, Wheeler's allegations raises an important question for patients: when can a hospital detain a patient against his or her will?

Held Captive by a Hospital?

Wheeler was brought to Prince George's Hospital Center via ambulance June 23 following a car accident and treated for blunt torso trauma but no acute injuries, according to the complaint he filed with the Prince George County Court. When he awoke the next morning, he was allegedly informed by a nurse that he would be receiving surgery "to have a potentially cancerous mass removed from his chest."

Wheeler says he soon realized that his identification bracelet provided by the hospital contained a name that was not his and appeared to be that of a woman 13 years younger. Wheeler said he "began to fear for his safety... as he was being prepped for a surgery he knew nothing about," according to court document.

He and his wife gathered his belongings and were attempting to leave the hospital when two security guards allegedly detained Wheeler. Wheeler claims the men shouted profanities at him, put on black padded gloves and proceeded to shove him against the wall, then taking him into an elevator where they beat him while he lay on the floor in a fetal position.

Hospital staff and the security guards allegedly attempt to forcefully take the incorrect ID bracelet from Wheeler several times and he was interrogated by a "lieutenant." After speaking with a hospital administrator and signing a release form acknowledging that he was leaving the hospital against medical advice, Wheeler was able to seek treatment at nearby St. Mary's Hospital.

There he was diagnosed with four broken ribs, a sprained shoulder, a ruptured spleen, and a concussion, according to court documents.

The Wheelers are suing for $3.2 million in compensatory damages and $9.5 million in punitive damages.

Calls requesting comment from hospital staff or from Dimensions Health Corporation, which owns the hospital, were not immediately returned.

 

[osan]

I hope this got your head out of your ass. You approached this in about as wrong a fashion as possible.

Firstly, how can you NOT tell whether a bone is broken? If it is not broken through, there is NOTHING the hospital personnel can do but put a splint on it. You can do that yourself.

Moreover, you told them the actual cause. The proper story should have been you injured yourself in a fall, on machinery, whatever you choose and the fuckers at the hospital do not have to believe you but they have nothing to say about it. If police show up you simply refuse to speak with them and present them with the choice of either arresting you or fucking off. There is nothing in between.

Suspecting you fucked up, you were insufficiently guarded about the paperwork and some bitch nurse punked your ass. For SHAME. Situational awareness 001. I should teach classes on this.

You asked whether it was required? Are you mad? It is irrelevant. One doesn't ask. One does his business, holds off "the form" to the end, and calmly leaves. There is nothing they can do.

Finally, you lost your cool. Great way to have pigs show up and tune you or shoot your ass dead if they decide to take a dislike to you.

All in all, you handled yourself just this side of atrociously poorly.

Sure hope you learned your lesson, which is this: STFU. Volunteer nothing. Keep it simple stupid. Ask no permission. You are there to be treated. Get treatment and get the fuck out. If they refuse to treat, make note, go elsewhere, see lawyer.

Did I mention STFU? Shut The Fuck Up

Jesus.

 

[MelissaWV]

Osan, just one thing...

There are many fractures where you cannot tell if it's broken. As you said, a lot of those will result in a splint, which means you've wasted your time and money. Some, though, result in complications... especially if there is a bone chip fluttering around in a knuckle, etc.. Infection is another concern with animal bites. It was not a bad idea to go to an urgent care center, for instance, but you are correct that as little information should be volunteered as possible.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Good thread everybody.... I appreciate learning from the OP's mistake and AF's little article on that maryland hospital being a frankenstein wannabe was good to know too.

 

[osan]

Osan, just one thing...

There are many fractures where you cannot tell if it's broken. As you said, a lot of those will result in a splint, which means you've wasted your time and money. Some, though, result in complications... especially if there is a bone chip fluttering around in a knuckle, etc.. Infection is another concern with animal bites. It was not a bad idea to go to an urgent care center, for instance, but you are correct that as little information should be volunteered as possible.

You point is well taken, but this was a Chihuahua. HELLO.