Nevada Residents: Burning Man is coming, great chance to spread RP material

[VegasPatriot]

Can we just go ahead and ban this troll: Napoleon's Shadow already? He is constantly discouraging activism and pissing all over people's desire to get involved.

+rep Lets go to the source and ban Collins as well. Constantly telling others they are wasting time is not productive.

 

[Nickwanz]

I have been on here for only a little while, and I have seen people complain about him, and I have seen him be somewhat provocative. I disagreed with a statement he made and just wanted to continue a reasonable discourse without it turning into a mess. While this is the interwebz, I was hoping to quell any pissing match before it happened, as we have more important matters to tend to.

 

[specsaregood]

Constantly telling others they are wasting time is not productive.

Not only that; but getting somebody STARTED is the key to getting them active over the long term. And what helps somebody get started is putting them in situations they are comfortable. Somebody might be more comfortable talking to people at burning man about Dr. Paul than they would be going to a grey-hair meetup at their local republican committee. Once they get the hang of it; it is easier to branch out and talk to the better targetted groups.

Ignore the collins troll, if you want to go to burning man and talk about Dr. Paul, then go do it.

 

[V3n]

I went in 2001 and thought everyone there was very open minded - it may be better to just sort of set up a "Ron Paul installation" and let people come to you. If you're standing there politely and they ask you what he's about, or ask for a flyer, then they can't be mad at you for trying to 'push an agenda'.

I had a great time there and have always wanted to go back, just time hasn't been right.

-oh- and if you are going to go and you haven't been before - DO NOT ask people anything personal or what they do 'in real life' - that was an instant conversation killer!
(unless it someone you've been hanging out with for a couple days and have built up a friendship with)

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

All i know is that my area is very liberal and to win a primary here you will need to convert some dems.

Do Dems regularly vote in a Republican primary in your area?

And I don't think we should ignore people that don't vote(or don't vote republican).

Have you ever won any elections before?


Let's put it another way. Do you sell hubcaps to people who own cars, or people who don't own cars in hopes that they will buy a car just to put on your hubcaps?

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

That might be a good strategy for Iowa and NH and many other red states and swing states, but I don't think the statistics you are citing accurately portray new Ron Paul supporters.

Ron Paul supporters are already voting for Ron Paul. We are trying to get Republicans to vote for Ron. That means going door-to-door in precincts that are heavily Republican.

I think the statistics you are citing and the strategy you are emphasizing is great for getting an establishment candidate elected, or for electing Ron Paul in a very conservative area, but we're talking about a politician who transcends all the bullshit.

Winning an election is a science which means it's about math which means hard numbers. Math transcends everything and so does marketing for that matter. The same strategies that has gotten every other politician elected in the history of the US will work for Ron Paul too if they are actually applied. The trick is not to get distracted on tangents or eccentric and unproven methods.

Good luck going to Burning Man and getting people to support Michelle Bachmann.. but going there to get people to support Ron Paul is completely different and could be a good thing for certain types of people to focus on.

Willing to bet that 80% of the people at BM don't vote.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

We all have our own ideas on how to best organize what is all of our('s) movement.

Some methods are more effective than others. That's my point.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

there seems to be numerous opportunities to use those principles as a platform to introduce them to Ron Paul's principles.

That's fine and is very true. But for electoral strategy it is completely ineffective.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Constantly telling others they are wasting time is not productive.

Unproven and eccentric methods are not productive, that's my point. Proven time-tested conventional strategies are what wins elections. That means chasing likely Republican voters by telephone, and direct mail, and going to their door.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

True. But some of us don't continually naysay the others. We might occasionally whine about how hard the others are to reach (for us, but we all have different talents), but we don't continually say a group which is fertile ground is a waste of time.

BM is NOT fertile ground for electoral victory.

I can't help but notice that the press has said absolutely nothing about how many first time participants there were in this year's Iowa Straw Poll. And they certainly haven't said what their previous political persuasion may have been. I'll just bet a study of the same would prove interesting indeed.

A straw poll is NOT the election (or caucus).

 

[erowe1]

@Naploeon's Shadow Why does that matter? Its not like we can't target disaffected Obama democrats.

If you want to go there to get high or whatever, then it doesn't matter. If you want to help RP become president, then it matters.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

He is constantly discouraging activism and pissing all over people's desire to get involved.

Incorrect. I am actually ENCOURAGING activism and trying to get people to do the most effective things they can do to get Ron Paul to achieve electoral victory. Sorry you are too blinded to understand that.

 

[Jingles]

Oh, god I couldn't stop laughing. I'm going to have to go play New Vegas again now.

Regarding Burning Man... I highly doubt this will be the best place to pick up Ron Paul supporters. You can get some anti-war democrats, but these are the type of people that believe in collectivism and think property rights are evil and etc...

 

[Eric21ND]

I went in 2001 and thought everyone there was very open minded - it may be better to just sort of set up a "Ron Paul installation" and let people come to you. If you're standing there politely and they ask you what he's about, or ask for a flyer, then they can't be mad at you for trying to 'push an agenda'.

I had a great time there and have always wanted to go back, just time hasn't been right.

-oh- and if you are going to go and you haven't been before - DO NOT ask people anything personal or what they do 'in real life' - that was an instant conversation killer!
(unless it someone you've been hanging out with for a couple days and have built up a friendship with)

LOL what the hell do you talk about then?

 

[puppetmaster]

it's all cops and wanna be hippies. california yuppies that think its cool.

 

[dannno]

Ron Paul supporters are already voting for Ron Paul.

We're trying to increase that number.

We are trying to get Republicans to vote for Ron. That means going door-to-door in precincts that are heavily Republican.

YOU should continue to do that, and I hope there are THOUSANDS of others who do that as well..and I hope it is a major focus of both the campaign and grassroots..

HOWEVER.. this is where you miss the boat

Winning an election is a science which means it's about math which means hard numbers.

I agree with you Natt, numbers are important..

So why is it that 30% of Republicans under 30 vote for Ron Paul, and it gets progressively worse until you reach the over 55 crowd at 4%??

If most Republican likely voters are older, then it seems to me that increasing the amount of young people in the Republican Party can be as effective or more effective in some areas if it takes less time to convert a younger person to vote for RP than an older person who will never convert.

 

[dannno]

LOL what the hell do you talk about then?

Ever done drugs before? There's lots of stuff to talk about.

I agree with him that it sucks to be out in a great place like that, and then start talking about work or school the whole time, what you're trying to get away from. Some people really enjoy what they do, but if you ask someone who is trying to escape that it would kind of suck.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

So why is it that 30% of Republicans under 30 vote for Ron Paul, and it gets progressively worse until you reach the over 55 crowd at 4%??

Because few people in the Ron Paul movement take the time to reach out to them in the manners I have describe above. Instead they want to focus on people who are less likely to vote, and even LESS likely than that to vote in a Republican primary/caucus. That's the whole point!

We MUST reach the Republican voters who and where they are. That means going door-to-door and phone banking. Nothing else will win the election.

 

[Chrysamere]

Because few people in the Ron Paul movement take the time to reach out to them in the manners I have describe above. Instead they want to focus on people who are less likely to vote, and even LESS likely than that to vote in a Republican primary/caucus. That's the whole point!

We MUST reach the Republican voters who and where they are. That means going door-to-door and phone banking. Nothing else will win the election.

It would be more productive, but that doesn´t mean promoting Ron Paul while you´re at an event like burning man is a bad thing, you make it sound like that even if you don´t mean it like that.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

It would be more productive, but that doesn´t mean promoting Ron Paul while you´re at an event like burning man is a bad thing, you make it sound like that even if you don´t mean it like that.

If one is there anyway and they happen to talk up RP, there is no loss. However if someone is trying to promote RP, BM is the last place they would go to do that effectively. If one wants to be effective in getting votes for RP, they need to go where the voters are, it's that simple. Going to BM with the specific intention to promote Ron Paul would mean that your time could be better spent elsewhere more productively.