Nevada Caucus Result Numbers DO NOT MATTER - Here is Why

[DamianTV]

Its all part of an elaborate 4 year plan, dont you know....
The master Nevada plan of 2008 is still being played out. And they thought rp lost? Hah.... Its all going down exactly as planned. Electing Obama was just a ploy... It was to lull the opposition into a state of overconfidence. The LAST thing we want at this point is rp to win a state... No no no... If you think its as simple as that, you are woefully naive. McCain won the nomination and look what happened to him! rp is far smarter than Mccain.
/sarcasm

A Coconut is much smarter than McCain, so that isnt saying a lot.

THey closed down the State GOP on us last time when they found out Ron Paul was winning in order to prevent us from getting Delegates. I very seriously doubt that will happen this time, and we have the Delegates. They are playing checkers, we are playing chess. We sacrificed a pawn in order to put them in Checkmate in 7 Moves.

The numbers will not show this for a while, but WE ARE WINNING.

 

[mosquitobite]

Erickson has been waiting to say that forever. Fact is, everyone knew Romney was going to win.
Not that I don't think we need to win a state or two but it certainly wasn't going to happen in NV and anybody should have known that. Media is just playing the BS routine tonight.

+1 sky is falling chicken littles! Where did ANYONE think we would take first on the straw poll? We will have the majority of delegates.

 

[PaulStandsTall]

Everyone that is freaking out NEEDS to refresh themselves on the caucus process and think about the dedication of RP supporters. We will dominate the caucus states guys!

 

[yeshuaisiam]

Well seeing that he's barely even getting covered any more by the media at all.... And the fact that he has NOT won a single state, I'm just coming to the conclusion that my efforts are best used getting prepared for a full blown economic collapse.

I'm tired of chasing "this and that" doesn't matter and "2nd is real good".

It's not 1st place, Nevada was his best state in 2008 and he winds up in 3rd place.
He had to make 1st place, not 3rd place. He had to make 1st place, not 2nd place.

The media will eat the results up, and spin it and continue to blackout Paul.

F this, stupid Americans going for liars and thieves again. Flip flopping abortionists, corporate bandits....

Just get ready for a collapse. Love Ron Paul. Love his wisdom. It's America's fault and they will drag all of us down with them.

 

[Ohio4Paul]

Well seeing that he's barely even getting covered any more by the media at all.... And the fact that he has NOT won a single state, I'm just coming to the conclusion that my efforts are best used getting prepared for a full blown economic collapse.

I'm tired of chasing "this and that" doesn't matter and "2nd is real good".

It's not 1st place, Nevada was his best state in 2008 and he winds up in 3rd place.
He had to make 1st place, not 3rd place. He had to make 1st place, not 2nd place.

The media will eat the results up, and spin it and continue to blackout Paul.

F this, stupid Americans going for liars and thieves again. Flip flopping abortionists, corporate bandits....

Just get ready for a collapse. Love Ron Paul. Love his wisdom. It's America's fault and they will drag all of us down with them.

^^^ THIS ^^^ Well said. Sad, but true.

 

[newbitech]

Everyone that is freaking out NEEDS to refresh themselves on the caucus process and think about the dedication of RP supporters. We will dominate the caucus states guys!

based on what? Are Ron Paul supporters, the vast MINORITY of voters the only ones who know about delegates and caucus states etc? Come on. Now that things are playing out, its pretty clear that Ron is doing better than he did in 2008, exponentially better in fact. Unfortunately, there is not a winning trajectory here.

I just don't believe that Ron Paul is going to drum up enough support to put enough delegates in place. I heard all kinds of grandiose talk before Iowa, that is waning quickly. The numbers, even the delegate numbers to date are just not panning out.

Ron Paul did not walk away from Gingrich in NV. We will see what happens in Maine, Colorado, etc.. But to believe that Ron Paul has some special formula to win that no one knows about expect Ron Paul supporters is really delusional. To believe that Ron Paul supporters are the only passionate dedicated supporters who will become delegates is also delusional. So much of that was based on the talking up of the youth vote. The youth aren't turning out.

The other thing to pay attention to is turnout. There is a downward trend in turn out right now. Why? The air of inevitability. Mitt Romney is not confident of winning because he is stupid about the process. He has a MUCH larger pool of support from which to get delegates. He will find his dedicated supporters on shear numbers alone.

Paul is not going to dominate the caucus states. He will have a better showing in the popular votes, which ironically doesn't matter as much in caucus states, but dominate.. no. The support just flat isn't there.

Of course, I say this IN ORDER to WIN. I am highly impressed with the expansion of Ron Paul's base. It's just not going to win.

I am again disappointed in the over hype from Nevada. 20%? Come on. How much money and time did the campaign spend in Nevada? I expected a separation from Gingrich, not a squeaker. 20% is unacceptable, and it's not dominating.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Nevada Caucus Result Numbers DO NOT MATTER - Here is Why

I'm tired of people telling me the numbers don't matter. The same smoke was blown up my ass in '08 and even though are numbers are better in '12, we still haven't won shit.

I agree with the poster that said perception matters. We may have increased our base of young voters, Independents, and Democrat crossovers, but my perception is the campaign failed in getting the vote that really matters: Seniors and Jews. These are the voting blocks that win elections in Republican primaries and caucuses and where the campaign is an epic fail.

 

[jllundqu]

Well seeing that he's barely even getting covered any more by the media at all.... And the fact that he has NOT won a single state, I'm just coming to the conclusion that my efforts are best used getting prepared for a full blown economic collapse.

I'm tired of chasing "this and that" doesn't matter and "2nd is real good".

It's not 1st place, Nevada was his best state in 2008 and he winds up in 3rd place.
He had to make 1st place, not 3rd place. He had to make 1st place, not 2nd place.

The media will eat the results up, and spin it and continue to blackout Paul.

F this, stupid Americans going for liars and thieves again. Flip flopping abortionists, corporate bandits....

Just get ready for a collapse. Love Ron Paul. Love his wisdom. It's America's fault and they will drag all of us down with them.

I've been preparing all along, my friend... Let it not be said that no one objected to this madness, though, right? History will speak favorably on Ron Paul and those who tried to avoid this inevitable collapse. In the end, we all need to be prepared for the worst, be it Obama or Romney. We passed the rubicon for avoiding armageddon quite some time ago. We are on the edge of WW3 and the outright collapse of the world economy. Many nations will rise and fall in the coming years of chaos. Peace be with you all...

 

[PaulStandsTall]

Ok, maybe "dominate" wasn't the right word of choice. Do very well is definitely acceptable. Remember, only the first caucus is binding in Nevada. After that, we use every trick in the bag to get our delegates to the top. Last time none of our people really knew how the process worked. This time we do. Same goes for the other caucus states.

Do I think we will end up with 51%+ of the delegates? No.
Do I think any candidate will? Nope.

That puts all eyes on Ron Paul in Tampa.

 

[newbitech]

Ok, maybe "dominate" wasn't the right word of choice. Do very well is definitely acceptable. Remember, only the first caucus is binding in Nevada. After that, we use every trick in the bag to get our delegates to the top. Last time none of our people really knew how the process worked. This time we do. Same goes for the other caucus states.

Do I think we will end up with 51%+ of the delegates? No.
Do I think any candidate will? Nope.

That puts all eyes on Ron Paul in Tampa.

ok, I will go with that theory for a little bit longer, but only because there is a new trend developing as far as turnout. I really need to see the campaign respond to it's exposed weaknesses though.

At some point, we have to stop claiming victories when none are present. Yes, he has picked up delegates in 3 of 5 states. But so has everyone else. Victory means coming out on top. There are no moral victories if you are playing to win.

Ron Paul does dominate is some categories, but I would rather see the broad based appeal materialize than dominating niche type voters.

 

[thoughtomator]

takeaway from this thread: Don't take Redstate Erickson seriously

 

[Butchie]

I'm tired of people telling me the numbers don't matter. The same smoke was blown up my ass in '08 and even though are numbers are better in '12, we still haven't won shit.

I agree with the poster that said perception matters. We may have increased our base of young voters, Independents, and Democrat crossovers, but my perception is the campaign failed in getting the vote that really matters: Seniors and Jews. These are the voting blocks that win elections in Republican primaries and caucuses and where the campaign is an epic fail.

I agree, instead of all these crap ads attacking Gingrich and Frothy how about making a few detailing his foriegn policy a little better, how about doing some debate training so he doesn't fall all over himself trying to explain Iran.

Some get mad like I'm hating Ron, I'm not, I know he's older, I know he's worked hard all of his life, but if he wasn't up to this than he shouldn't have taken it on, but he did, he asked for our money and support, which we all gave, the campaign needs to hold up it's end.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

I agree, instead of all these crap ads attacking Gingrich and Frothy how about making a few detailing his foriegn policy a little better, how about doing some debate training so he doesn't fall all over himself trying to explain Iran.

Some get mad like I'm hating Ron, I'm not, I know he's older, I know he's worked hard all of his life, but if he wasn't up to this than he shouldn't have taken it on, but he did, he asked for our money and support, which we all gave, the campaign needs to hold up it's end.

I with you. I'm tired of the campaign dropping the ball. And it has to be said. They refuse to attack Romney. Not attacking Romney will allow him to take away any chance at states we should be able to win. This outrages me.

After Iowa they let the Grinch get back in it. The Newt Serial Hypocrisy ad should have been ran in Nevada. We're in a fight with him for second place when he didn't spend nowhere near the time or money there that Ron did. This outrages me.

Stop doing rallies at college campuses and start doing town hall meetings like McCain did. Laugh all you want, but those town hall meetings helped take his broke ass campaign all the way to the nomination. Old folks aren't going to go to a college campus to hear a candidate speak, but they will go to their local town hall.

The message of Liberty and Freedom is a thing of beauty, but America presently only wants to hear a message of Jobs, Obama sucks, and Jobs. Does Ron even have a Jobs Plan that he can talk about? How about a fucking Jobs ad?

 

[PaulStandsTall]

ok, I will go with that theory for a little bit longer, but only because there is a new trend developing as far as turnout. I really need to see the campaign respond to it's exposed weaknesses though.

At some point, we have to stop claiming victories when none are present. Yes, he has picked up delegates in 3 of 5 states. But so has everyone else. Victory means coming out on top. There are no moral victories if you are playing to win.

Ron Paul does dominate is some categories, but I would rather see the broad based appeal materialize than dominating niche type voters.

Oh I'm totally with you on the campaign needing to respond to the alleged weaknesses. This issue has got to be brought up asap to get outside of the small dedicated minority and turn it into a strong consistant 2nd and 1st in many states.

Nevertheless, Paul himself seems confident and he is a pretty smart guy and it's his campaign afterall so I gotta put some stock in that.

 

[StilesBC]

The campaign did not "drop the ball." Ron is not a "poor messenger." They have done very well. Americans love tyranny, corruption and war. That is all that is happening here. It has happened hundreds of times over throughout human history.

 

[Muwahid]

Yeah winning doesn't matter.

 

[harikaried]

In Nevada, ONLY THE FIRST ROUND IS BINDING.

Are you sure?

"Saturday 4 February 2012: 28 National Convention delegates are proportionally bound to Presidential contenders based on today's caucus vote."

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/NV-R

How I'm interpreting it is if only Ron Paul delegates get to the state level, some will have to vote for Romney because they're bound, but if the national vote goes to the second round, those Ron Paul delegates who had to vote for Romney can vote for Ron Paul.

 

[pacelli]

One issue with the delegate thing- in 2008, some Paul delegates FROM NEVADA ended up voting for McCain at the convention.

So things aren't always as they seem, even within the delegate pool.

 

[tbone717]

The campaign did not "drop the ball." Ron is not a "poor messenger." They have done very well. Americans love tyranny, corruption and war. That is all that is happening here. It has happened hundreds of times over throughout human history.

Blaming the voter is never a wise thing to do in a political campaign. Look inward for faults instead. We have gained from where we were four years ago, but just not enough yet. So were these voters in 08 lovers or tyranny or were the just unreached?

Blaming the voter is as bad as a salesman blaming his poor performance on his customers.

 

[Omnica]

I blame the media and the gop, along with willfull ignorance.