Neocons write open letter to Ron Paul regarding Chris Kyle tweet

[Demigod]

nobody is asking whether PTSD is a real disorder, or just murderers regretting the fun they had.

Sustained artillery and aerial bombardment could brake a man's mind like a twig.And he could have not fired a bullet let alone killed someone it makes no difference.The stress is too big to handle.

 

[acptulsa]

nobody is asking whether PTSD is a real disorder, or just murderers regretting the fun they had.

So, you want to turn back the clock to the grand old days of World War I when brainless, overly gung ho second lieutenants were running around yelling, 'Shell shock isn't real! Soldier you get back up there and fight or I'll have you shot!' Well, it's just what I'd expect from someone who wants to give banks the right to execute debtors.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...t-debtors-prison/page13&p=4856722#post4856722

Talk about regrettable fun for you. Guess you never thought of the fact that not everyone diagnosed with PTSD killed someone, or even hurt someone. Guess you never thought of the fact that not everyone finds killing fun.

You know, this nation has a lot of psychologists. I'm sure there's one near you.

 

[tod evans]

Somebody please cover me, I'm repless..

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

Dear Mr. Neocon:

Very interesting to see you call quoting Jesus of Nazareth 'dishonorable'. One expects warmongers to consider the words of the Prince of Peace irrelevant. This is no surprise. But not even a Muslim would ever consider His words dishonorable.

No, Mr. Neocon, Dr. Paul does not hate the United States. He loves it enough to want to save it. He loves it enough to want the military here protecting it, instead of abroad protecting the interests of certain multinational corporations. And he loves his fellow veterans enough to wish them to be performing honorable duty. Defending the United States is honorable. Searching the world for mythical yellowcake uranium is not.

Conservative Republicans know what we want. We want to conserve what is great about this nation, and to revive what used to be great about this nation before it was carelessly thrown away. This is why we conservative Republicans of all ages refused to vote for Romney. We could not tell him from Obama. It isn't possible to be flexible and open-minded enough to pervert his socialism into conservatism.

Liberty does involve license. It even involves enough license to leave you free to call Glen Beck a libertarian. Unfortunately, some through history have used this license to call liberalism conservative and to call reckless, unaffordable police actions responsible. And they, to this day, refuse to take responsibility for it. This has resulted in two generations of Republicans who call defecit spending conservatism, and as a result the irresponsible Democrats have had no check and our great nation is now hocked to the Chinese. This has resulted in playing fast and loose with the Constitution conservatism, and as a result our birthright, and our protector of basic human liberties and rights which date back to the Magna Carta have been thrown to the winds. My grandfather did not fight in the Great War, and my father did not fight in the Big One, so that I could do without habeus corpus.

We are sick of criticism from people so determined not to listen to Ron Paul that they think he advocates a return to the Gold Standard--as sick of it as we are of our wealth and our wages being inflated away before our very eyes. We are sick of the bipartisan tax and spend policy being described as the sole province of 'The Left' as though it weren't a Republican that got us into two simultaneous wars (under false pretenses--no bin Laden in Afghanistan, no yellowcake uranium in Iraq) and a Republican who raided the Social Security Trust Fund. We are sick of giving Israel money, and hearing that we hate all Jews if we don't. And we are more sick of giving more money than we give to Israel to Israel's enemies. Yes, the world has changed. But one thing hasn't--despite assurances that American voters have conservative choices, spending the nation into looming bankruptcy remains a bipartisan activity.

In light of this, one does indeed wonder what part of liberty comes with responsibility is not understood.

In the end, it's deliberately disingenuous to accuse Ron Paul of dividing the Republican Party. Neoconnery which says it's all right to spend the nation into the poorhouse, abandon all principles, and follow The Left's lead in considering the Constitution a 'living document' subject to misinterpretation is truly responsible for dividing the Republican Party. If it were not, the Libertarian Party would never have been created. Ron Paul did not divide this party. Dr. Paul merely attracted the true conservatives because he had integrity--more integrity than McCain, Romney, Boehner, Graham and McConnell combined. If he had not been the rallying point for these principled, neglected, disenfranchised genuine conservatives, someone else would have been.

Enough is indeed enough. Now that the Democrats are no longer able to feign interest in peace, however, I am happy to report that neocons can have a happy home in the Democratic Party. And this is good, because you have irreparably damaged the G.O.P. We will pick up the pieces, and make that institution relevant again. We will carry on the traditions of Calvin Coolidge, who created the economic boom called the Roaring Twenties. The world may have changed in ninety years, but principles remain the same. And our principles can and will repair the damage. With you closet liberals out of the way, we can and will prove it.

Insanity is temporary. If you won't get over it and bring the Republican Party past it, then with God and Barry Goldwater as our witnesses, we will.

 

[otherone]

Neocons and radical libs never apologize for their propaganda.

st8ists gotta st8.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Neocons and radical libs never apologize for their propaganda.

st8ists gotta st8.

Being a statist means never having to say you're sorry ...

 

[newbitech]

I just wanted to make a general comment here about one of the themes I am hearing from people, but before I do, I will make an on topic post.

So now we have 2 different types of "Veterans"? Stopped reading...

Anyways, so this thing I keep hearing people say goes a little something like this...

"What god awful horrible, distasteful timing!"

Ok couple things,

1.) If you think it was an insult to the man, his family etc,, is there ever a good time?
2.) I don't think people really believe this was an insult, so let us consider the world in which we live in. We live in a relatively instantaneous world. A world where 2 days is an eternity. Even the delivery vehicle, twitter, these little messages that go out don't live unless they are repeated over an over again. So really, everyone who participates in bashing Ron for this by spreading their disgust, must necessarily repeat it, otherwise, no one will know WTF they are talking about. So really, if it's about respect, then I'd suggest ignoring the tweet. But it's not about respect is it? It's about using someones words against them. This is a golden opportunity for the hypocrites to do what hypocrites do, and the timing is PERFECT for that!
3.)The grieving process for the wife will go a little something like this. Arrange the funeral, contact friends and family, collect the benefits, raise the kids. And speaking of the kids. They will grieve the most years from now. When they look back as adults, they will consider the words of Ron Paul now that everyone is going to shove them down their throats. If they see that their dad lived as a hero, then they will see that their dad died as a hero, and Ron Paul's tweet is just a reminder of this.
4.) And finally, as I said in the last observation. Basically the phrase "live by the sword, die by the sword is an analogy".

So you can really insert whatever you want for "the sword". So now the phrase goes like this.

Live by X die by X.

The intent I believe when the words were originally spoken (hint: a tweet is not spoken) was not to even rehearse causes for life and death. Which is the twist so many want to put on it. Instead, I believe the original intent was a warning to those who HAD ALREADY CHOSEN TO LIVE A PEACEFUL, NON-VIOLENT, LIFE.

In other words, JESUS was speaking of HIMSELF! He did not want to be KEPT ALIVE by "THE SWORD". The recognition here is, Jesus Christ lived his life PEACEFUL and NON-AGGRESSIVE and NON-VIOLENT. Jesus knew that his disciples could have violently defended him. Jesus himself (if one believes in the supernatural powers of man), could have rained fireballs down from the heavens and punished his accusers.

We all die. And it isn't until we die that people remember what we stood for. How we die begins the conversation of what people remember about how we lived.

This Navy Seal sniper, he "Lived by being a hero in the eyes of many, died by being a hero in the eyes of many".

Ok? Feel better?

 

[Working Poor]

Here is the author:

I take it they are angry about Obama winning too bad condevatives could not put up someone more appealing than Romney. I wish we had put up someone who was younger and good looking with Ron's message. Unfortunately looks means more thsn policy in a Presidential election Ron's age and look was the biggest complaint I heard from people. It is such ashame that Santorum was such a turd and Perry was such an obvious obvious dumb ass. We dropped the ball we could have handeled the primary better. Ron could have made a deal for us with one of them. I Knew in my heart that the establishment would never let Ron win. The whole primary was about defeating us. All I had to do was listen to what amy mom said bout him. Politics is about compromise if nothing else this past election taught me that.

 

[Cowlesy]

LOL @ GOP "mainstreamers".

Yah, you're way sure is the path to "victory".

LOL.

Whoever you are, nameless blogger, you haven't got what it takes to wash Ron's jockstrap.

The sure pathway to victory with John McCain, with Mitt Romney...with whoever they force in next time to lose miserably to Hillary.

 

[pcosmar]

The sure pathway to victory with John McCain, with Mitt Romney...with whoever they force in next time to lose miserably to Hillary.

There is only one path to "victory" and it is not through politics.

Ron Paul was our last chance to disengage from a path to destruction.
That option was rejected.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is, and saw
Virtue in her shape how lovely; saw, and pined
His loss; but chiefly to find here observed
His lustre visibly impaired; yet seemed
Undaunted.
-- John Milton, Paradise Lost

We could ask you to just go away, Mr. Paul. You retired, and your opinions which have mostly been ridiculous and irrelevant are now irrelevant and irresponsible, as well as dishonorable, The tweet disrespecting Chris Kyle, hero Navy SEAL and author of Naval Special Warfare Sniper Doctrine as well as father, husband and son is seen below and it is an example of your anti-military opinions but also your lack of tact and rationality.

Ron Paul ✔ @RonPaul Chris Kyle’s death seems to confirm that “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.” Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn’t make sense

And your later apology was as disgraceful. This tweet…is not an apology. It’s a rationality which is an attempt to lie to oneself.

Ron Paul ✔ @RonPaul As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend’s violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad… http://on.fb.me/14NztZ8

Yes, Mr. Paul you are a veteran. So is John Kerry. Do you honestly want to be in the same group of angry, anti-Military, America hating veterans? They are few and far between. It is not a group anyone should want to pledge to be part of.

It is time that we conservative Republicans decide what we want. Our party is divided enough but Ron Paul and by direct relationship his followers have attacked us, attacked our heroes and in turn the young Paul fans voted for Obama. Also, Ron Paul does his son Rand no favors by these ravings. I like Rand. Rand is one of the few Senators who got to Hillary Clinton when questioning her on the Benghazi cover-up. He’s smart, he’s flexible and he’s open minded enough to change his mind about Israel and our support of our tiny Mideast ally.

Has Ron Paul lost his mind? For some of us who remember Ron Paul on the Hill this attack on the military isn’t a rare occurrence. Libertarians are a wide ranging group of people. From the Glenn Beck type who is fiercely patriotic to the hipster pot smokers who think it is cool to embrace license because they confuse license with liberty. And Ron Paul floats along with the later crowd egging them on without any really clue how the world has changed, that the USA has a stake in world affairs. He attacks fellow Republicans like Rick Perry and others and instead of helping to unite the right against the left, he divides us further.

We are sick of his unhelpful, unwanted input. We are sick of his fantasy of an America that never existed. We are sick of his embrace of economic policy’s like returning to the Gold Standard that would never work, would shrink our economy and hurt the middle class as badly as the lefts big government tax and spend policy. Sure we embrace cutting spending, but we also know that the world has changed, regardless of what Ron Paul thinks. It is a global economy and the United States has a huge stake in that economy. We are also disgusted by his half disguised anti-Semitism. He doesn’t support Israel, has said Iran can have a nuclear bomb if they want one. This is not the thought stream of a rational human being. It is insanity on steroids. He believes we are responsible for 9-11 because of our policy of supporting Israel.

Also, to Paul’s fans, liberty means responsibility and self-policing. It means taking advantage of economic, educational cultural opportunities that are there. It does not mean smoke dope if you want, have as much sex with as many partners as you want and only be concerned with oneself. Not even Ayn Rand would support such idiotic anarchist garbage. She talked about true individual liberty, that means discipline and ethics and knowing right from wrong. What it does not mean is do whatever feels good. What part of that is not understood?

In the end the GOP has to come to gripes that Ron Paul is a source of aggravation and division. It is time for us to decide how we want to proceed. Do we allow him to continue to attack what the party platform supports, attack our military, say awful things about fallen heroes, our allies? Or do we say no more? It is up to us but this has gone on long enough. Its time for Ron Paul to be put in his place.

 

[seyferjm]

Dear Mr. Neocon:

Very interesting to see you call quoting Jesus of Nazareth 'dishonorable'. One expects warmongers to consider the words of the Prince of Peace irrelevant. This is no surprise. But not even a Muslim would ever consider His words dishonorable.

No, Mr. Neocon, Dr. Paul does not hate the United States. He loves it enough to want to save it. He loves it enough to want the military here protecting it, instead of abroad protecting the interests of certain multinational corporations. And he loves his fellow veterans enough to wish them to be performing honorable duty. Defending the United States is honorable. Searching the world for mythical yellowcake uranium is not.

Conservative Republicans know what we want. We want to conserve what is great about this nation, and to revive what used to be great about this nation before it was carelessly thrown away. This is why we conservative Republicans of all ages refused to vote for Romney. We could not tell him from Obama. It isn't possible to be flexible and open-minded enough to pervert his socialism into conservatism.

Liberty does involve license. It even involves enough license to leave you free to call Glen Beck a libertarian. Unfortunately, some through history have used this license to call liberalism conservative and to call reckless, unaffordable police actions responsible. And they, to this day, refuse to take responsibility for it. This has resulted in two generations of Republicans who call defecit spending conservatism, and as a result the irresponsible Democrats have had no check and our great nation is now hocked to the Chinese. This has resulted in playing fast and loose with the Constitution conservatism, and as a result our birthright, and our protector of basic human liberties and rights which date back to the Magna Carta have been thrown to the winds. My grandfather did not fight in the Great War, and my father did not fight in the Big One, so that I could do without habeus corpus.

We are sick of criticism from people so determined not to listen to Ron Paul that they think he advocates a return to the Gold Standard--as sick of it as we are of our wealth and our wages being inflated away before our very eyes. We are sick of the bipartisan tax and spend policy being described as the sole province of 'The Left' as though it weren't a Republican that got us into two simultaneous wars (under false pretenses--no bin Laden in Afghanistan, no yellowcake uranium in Iraq) and a Republican who raided the Social Security Trust Fund. We are sick of giving Israel money, and hearing that we hate all Jews if we don't. And we are more sick of giving more money than we give to Israel to Israel's enemies. Yes, the world has changed. But one thing hasn't--despite assurances that American voters have conservative choices, spending the nation into looming bankruptcy remains a bipartisan activity.

In light of this, one does indeed wonder what part of liberty comes with responsibility is not understood.

In the end, it's deliberately disingenuous to accuse Ron Paul of dividing the Republican Party. Neoconnery which says it's all right to spend the nation into the poorhouse, abandon all principles, and follow The Left's lead in considering the Constitution a 'living document' subject to misinterpretation is truly responsible for dividing the Republican Party. If it were not, the Libertarian Party would never have been created. Ron Paul did not divide this party. Dr. Paul merely attracted the true conservatives because he had integrity--more integrity than McCain, Romney, Boehner, Graham and McConnell combined. If he had not been the rallying point for these principled, neglected, disenfranchised genuine conservatives, someone else would have been.

Enough is indeed enough. Now that the Democrats are no longer able to feign interest in peace, however, I am happy to report that neocons can have a happy home in the Democratic Party. And this is good, because you have irreparably damaged the G.O.P. We will pick up the pieces, and make that institution relevant again. We will carry on the traditions of Calvin Coolidge, who created the economic boom called the Roaring Twenties. The world may have changed in ninety years, but principles remain the same. And our principles can and will repair the damage. With you closet liberals out of the way, we can and will prove it.

Insanity is temporary. If you won't get over it and bring the Republican Party past it, then with God and Barry Goldwater as our witnesses, we will.

Beautiful.

 

[NOVALibertarian]

"I like Rand. Rand is one of the few Senators who got to Hillary Clinton when questioning her on the Benghazi cover-up. He’s smart, he’s flexible and he’s open minded enough to change his mind about Israel and our support of our tiny Mideast ally."

Yep, Rand's scheme is working.

 

[KingNothing]

nobody is asking whether PTSD is a real disorder, or just murderers regretting the fun they had.

Are you serious, or being sarcastic?

 

[BlackJack]

nobody is asking whether PTSD is a real disorder, or just murderers regretting the fun they had.

Chris Kyle mentioned plenty of times how he regretted not being able to continue committing mass murder with his friends.

 

[acptulsa]

Are you serious, or being sarcastic?

You're asking Trollpoints if he's serious or sarcastic? Trolling is the art of skating that line. One says the most sarcastic thing imaginable, then tailors the wording to look as serious as possible. How else could he make us look guilty by associating with him?

 

[SeanTX]

Right now chickenhawk Glen Beck is attacking Ron Paul on his show over this ...

 

[cajuncocoa]

Right now chickenhawk Glen Beck is attacking Ron Paul on his show over this ...

That was to be expected, and it's not the first time Ron has been attacked by the crying fool. When Ron pisses off Glenn Beck, it's a sure sign he's done something right.

 

[BlackJack]

Right now chickenhawk Glen Beck is attacking Ron Paul on his show over this ...

Of course. Neocons/socialists always bitch about the smallest of things.

 

[Working Poor]

F#@$% Glen Beck my key board needs to be cleaned after writing his name.

 

[Philhelm]

Chris Kyle mentioned plenty of times how he regretted not being able to continue committing mass murder with his friends.

What had stopped him? What were the circumstances of his discharge?